***Official Donald J. Trump Impeachment (Whistleblower) Thread*** (3 Viewers)

[Henry Ford]

Custody doesn't have anything to do with the role a parent plays in raising their children.

Really?  It doesn't have anything to do with it? 

 

[moleculo]

any news about impeachments or whistleblowers, or is all the latest scuttlebutt about if the presidents offspring are good people or not?

 

[timschochet]

I am going to break with my left-leaning brethren and suggest the Dems are making mistakes with this impeachment - that could come back and bite them. 
 

It feels as though they are trying to appease too many stakeholders by rushing this through. Some are nervous about impeachment so they make it very narrow. Some are worried about it dragging into primary season, so they make it quick. But as I tell my daughters anything worth doing is worth doing well. 
 

From the testimony I gave read - they don’t have a case yet. They have a lot of innuendo and “close” but they don’t have key fact witnesses- and it’s a mistake to rely on “We asked nicely but they did not appear.” 
 

So when Jordan questions the witnesses and asks “Did you hear Trump say that?” They are all going to say no. And like it or not that is what the public will focus on. 
 

I think the chances of even getting an impeachment vote will be tough - absent some evidence that I am not aware of. 
 

If witnesses have compelling testimony that relates to Trump - issue the subpoenas and go to court. 

I don’t agree. 

As I pointed out before, the idea that Giuliani and Sondland would insist on a quid pro quo without Trump’s approval is completely implausible. In addition, we have Trump on record telling Ukraine’s President to meet with Giuliani and work with him. And we have witnesses who will testify that Giuliani and Sondland insisted on a quid pro quo (including Sondland himself.) It may never be enough for Republicans, but it will be enough for the general public I believe. 

 

[OrtonToOlsen]

Custody doesn't have anything to do with the role a parent plays in raising their children.

Say what now? 

 

[Kal El]

Again, you guys are missing the point.  Trump's kids are well spoken, very intelligent, successful people.  This is a big plus for Donald because it shows he did a great job raising them.  

Let's be honest, their nannies raised them. He was too busy making and losing money.

 

[Don't Noonan]

Let's be honest, their nannies raised them. He was too busy making and losing money.

Hmmm...saying let's be honest and then doing exactly the opposite.  Weird

 

[John Blutarsky]

Say what now? 

Many divorced parents don't have legal custody but still have visitation and play important roles in their children's upbringing.

 

[timschochet]

Hey guys, the question of who is to blame for Don Jr growing up to be such an obnoxious jerk is really not relevant to this thread, is it? Let’s get back to the issue at hand. 

 

[Don Quixote]

any news about impeachments or whistleblowers, or is all the latest scuttlebutt about if the presidents offspring are good people or not?

George Kent deposition released...

Wow. After Volker suggested to Kent that there was no harm in pushing investigations of Biden, Kent said: “My response to him was asking another country to investigate a prosecution for political reasons undermines our advocacy of the rule of law.”

KENT says Sondland relayed to other senior diplomats that “POTUS wanted nothing less than President Zelensky to go to microphone and say investigations, Biden, and Clinton.”

 

[JuniorNB]

Hey guys, the question of who is to blame for Don Jr growing up to be such an obnoxious jerk is really not relevant to this thread, is it? Let’s get back to the issue at hand. 

In fairness, Donald Jr is trying to get the word out on Hunter Biden about children riding daddy's coat tails into wealth and thinking they actually have accomplished something. 

 

[OrtonToOlsen]

Charles Kushner is a heck of guy.  I mean his son works in the White House!

 

[BassNBrew]

Also, Don Jr is arguably even more obnoxious than his dad. That takes a certain amount of real effort as well, if you think about it. 

How does that impact impeachment?

 

[Don't Noonan]

Hey guys, the question of who is to blame for Don Jr growing up to be such an obnoxious jerk is really not relevant to this thread, is it? Let’s get back to the issue at hand. 

Let's be honest.  You would love for your daughter to marry someone like Donald Jr.  Such an outstanding person.

 

[timschochet]

Let's be honest.  You would love for your daughter to marry someone like Donald Jr.  Such an outstanding person.

Umm no.

 

[timschochet]

How does that impact impeachment?

Early on in the discussion. Now it's gone on too long.

 

[The Commish]

If the Republicans really make this argument, it might save Trump from removal, but wouldn’t it also destroy his re-election? How can they argue “our guy is too imcompetent to pull this off, but vote for him again please”? 

In any case I think it’s a moot point because Trump’s ego would never allow this to be the defense. He has to maintain that he is brilliant and did nothing wrong. 

Base doesn't care.  He has 30% no matter what.  This argument isn't going to grow that base.  I can't think of a single thing he's doing right now that is going to grow his base.  THAT is his problem and it's tough for me to believe he doesn't see that.  It all becomes about turning out his base.  It's going to need to be at the 95% mark for it to be competitive based on my "back of the envelope" math and even then he still has to figure a way to get people outside the base as it's basically slid from 37-38% down to that 30-32% range.  

 

[Philo Beddoe]

Oops

 

[sho nuff]

Say what now? 

Ill agree with him.  My mom had custody of me and my dad did plenty to raise my brother and I.  Though this discussion is so far in the weeds it makes zero sense anymore.

 

[Don't Noonan]

Adam Schiff staff leaks whistleblower name?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Oops

Adam Schiff staff leaks whistleblower name?

Good point.

I think this maybe is the point. Trump and his team - Patel and Harvey - drummed up a name and tried to push it out through the hearings which they could leak from (though winkwink they were never there). Failing that push it out through RW blogosphere, see what shakes out.

But the really hilarious thing (Benny Johnson doesn't say who's testifying here) - the witness says he has no clue who this guy is.

 

[mcintyre1]

Oops

Wouldn't redacting only a specific name reveal who the whistleblower is?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Wouldn't redacting only a specific name reveal who the whistleblower is?

And this.

 

[Biff84]

Oops

Or by redacting the name it would confirm the identity of the whistleblower to the person asking the question.

 

[Philo Beddoe]

And this.

You would think. It's either him and they messed up or it's not. The document is no longer on the house website. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

You would think. It's either him and they messed up or it's not. The document is no longer on the house website. 

Taylor's testimony is up there still. And the name is still unredacted.

 

[Don Quixote]

You would think. It's either him and they messed up or it's not. The document is no longer on the house website. 

It's still there. On page 236.

 

[Philo Beddoe]

Taylor's testimony is up there still. And the name is still unredacted.

Yup I just looked and you are right. Is Chalupa redacted? Her name appears in both Volkers and Yovanovich. 

 

[timschochet]

Speaking of Don Jr., apparently he helped get Yovanovich fired with a bunch of false accusations?

This whole story is so disgraceful.

 

[joffer]

Speaking of Don Jr., apparently he helped get Yovanovich fired with a bunch of false accusations?

This whole story is so disgraceful.

stand-up guy.  for proof i give you $$

 

[timschochet]

Speaking of Don Jr., apparently he helped get Yovanovich fired with a bunch of false accusations?

This whole story is so disgraceful.

Here's the full story:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/embattled-ukraine-ambassador-marie-yovanovich-was-advised-to-tweet-praise-of-donald-trump/ar-AAJP9x2

Before she was recalled from her post in Kyiv in May, Yovanovich was targeted by Giuliani and his associates because she was viewed as an obstacle to their efforts to get the new Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelensky, to open an investigation into Hunter Biden’s business dealings and any role from Ukraine in the 2016 U.S. election. President Trump believed she was “bad news,” according to the memo of his July 25 call with Zelensky, and Giuliani and others in Trump’s orbit had been criticizing her on various platforms. 

John Solomon, a much-maligned conservative columnist for The Hill, published a March interview with  Yuriy Vitaliyovych, the now former prosecutor general in Ukraine, said Yovanovitch had given him a “do not prosecute” list—an accusation both she and State denied. The president’s son, Donald Trump Jr., sent out a tweet in March calling her a “joker.” 

This is just so awful. She's giving public testimony a week from tomorrow. I hope she completely embarrasses Trump, Trump Jr, and that dishonest Solomon, who is a constant guest on Hannity.

 

[timschochet]

More:

At one point, according to a transcript of her Oct. 11 deposition in front of congressional impeachment investigators, she was told that sending a flattering tweet about President Donald Trump could save her job. 

This is our President. This is the government we have right now.

 

[OrtonToOlsen]

Adam Schiff staff leaks whistleblower name?

This NOQreport place looks like fun.

"Whistleblower’s lawyer Mark Zaid’s YouTube channel liked young Disney girl videos"

"Rob Schneider understands California voters far too well"

"Jenna Jameson has a holiday message for the world"

"Sick joke about fentanyl Halloween candy for MAGA kids shows how unhinged the left really is"

 

[Sinn Fein]

Republican Senators Inhofe, Portman, and McConnell called and asked Trump about the hold on military assistance aid just before it was lifted, Kent testified.

Fact witnesses if the Dems were serious here.

 

[Kal El]

Hmmm...saying let's be honest and then doing exactly the opposite.  Weird

Which one, the making and losing money? Because that absolutely happened. The nanny comment was admittedly facetious, though.

 

[Biff84]

I don’t agree. 

As I pointed out before, the idea that Giuliani and Sondland would insist on a quid pro quo without Trump’s approval is completely implausible. In addition, we have Trump on record telling Ukraine’s President to meet with Giuliani and work with him. And we have witnesses who will testify that Giuliani and Sondland insisted on a quid pro quo (including Sondland himself.) It may never be enough for Republicans, but it will be enough for the general public I believe. 

The idea that Rudy and Sondland were doing this without Trumps knowledge is about as likely as Don Jr not telling him about the Trump Tower meeting.

I would not be surprised if the QPQ idea came from Trump hearing about Biden bragging about getting the Ukrainian prosecutor fired.

 

[msommer]

I didn't think they'd ruled yet.

Hencè the word pending

 

[Henry Ford]

Hencè the word pending

So now you expect me to be able to read. 

 

[msommer]

stand-up guy.  for proof i give you $$

Donald's one heck of a dad

 

[msommer]

So now you expect me to be able to read. 

You,  Henry? Yes

 

[dkp993]

Let's be honest.  You would love for your daughter to marry someone like Donald Jr.  Such an outstanding person.

As a father to a daughter I can categorically emphatically, and with 100% honesty say no to this. 

 

[msommer]

As a father to a daughter I can categorically emphatically, and with 100% honesty say no to this. 

Ditto for two daughters

 

[Insomniac]

Let's never forget that the Trump family was disallowed from operating ANY charity in the state of New York because they stole from a kids cancer charity.

A kids cancer charity. 

That seems like a good reason to send these people involved to prison

 

[OrtonToOlsen]

As a father to a daughter I can categorically emphatically, and with 100% honesty say no to this. 

Ditto for two daughters

I don't have a daughter but I wouldn't let Donald Jr look at my dog.

 

[Kal El]

Ditto for two daughters

2 daughters and a son here. There is no way I'd let them marry someone like Trump's children.

 

[Zow]

It's also usually not the case the lead prosecutor's team is in contact with a whistleblower before a report is filed.

Actually that's almost always the case. 

 

[Zow]

Custody doesn't have anything to do with the role a parent plays in raising their children.

Can you please explain? 

 

[Zow]

Many divorced parents don't have legal custody but still have visitation and play important roles in their children's upbringing.

I think I understand what you're trying to say, but, legally-speaking, you aren't using the more accurate words to describe what you're saying. 

 

[joffer]

https://twitter.com/RobertMaguire_/status/1192543643867000837?s=20

he sounds swell...

 

[Don't Noonan]

Actually that's almost always the case. 

Not with whistleblowers 

 

[Don't Noonan]

A lot of funny answers fellas but not "letting" your daughter marry Donald Jr. is in the lead.  

Not a surprise that all the anti-Trump folks can't admit how successful Trump's kids are.  It doesn't always have to be partisan guys.