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So Far, Antifa Has Attacked More Journalists Than Trump Ever Did (1 Viewer)
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squistion
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rockaction
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Thread cop can't stand it when the boys on his side -- THE IDEA, NOT THE GROUP -- attack journalists.
It's the truth. Straight from Glenn Greenwald.
Max Power
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Because all the little lefties on this board told us the real threat to press freedoms resided in Trump and that Antifa was just an ideology, not a group.
That you spring to their defense so quickly makes you so useful to them.
THAT'S THE POINT
That you spring to their defense so quickly makes you so useful to them.
THAT'S THE POINT
rockaction
Footballguy
And you're sticking up for civil war enacters. Typical Max Power. Lynch mob apologist, civil war advocate.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
We should all be attacking journalists then since i have it on good authority we should all be antifa. Since antifa is just an idea and about being against facism.
so a bunch of uneducated street thugs attacked journalists more than the President of the USA....your point being?
rockaction
Footballguy
That the claims from the Democratic Party and themselves that they're "just an idea" and that they're anywhere near "anti-fascist" are both false.
I don't know why comparing that to how much the president attacked the press is valuable in any sort of argument. Seems like you are just trying to be over the top on this
Summer Wheat
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rockaction
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Or, other people were over the top about Trump curtailing press freedom. That could also be the point.
Hmm...
I don't know, maybe, but you have a real click bait headline going...
so if your intent was to be as over the top as those you disdain so much then you have been successful
Generally speaking I find you to be a pretty thoughtful and intelligent poster. This one just seems out of ordinary for you
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Summer Wheat
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I don't follow them because i don't want to fill valuable space in mind with that kind of garbage personally but i always though they were a little more anarchists.
AAABatteries
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I don’t really have a lot to add to this discussion other than to say I’m not sure comparing the numbers of the leader of a movement to an entire movement makes much sense - although that doesn’t change or invalidate your overall point. Was just the first thing to come to mind.
At this point we are a country whose one of its fundamental values is violence. Everyone is going to all these things expecting and hoping for violence. It's unfortunate but it's who we are now
rockaction
Footballguy
Yes, urbanhack you defend Portland all you want. Your mayor and city have effectively let two groups maraud around with no authority present. I now have two different sets of friends that live in Portland -- one that lives downtown, the other on the outskirts -- and they complain about the lack of policing. It's ridiculous. And you're going to claim infiltrators? Yeah, right, man.
You're so in the tank for this. I didn't even mention that it was in Portland.
BEATZ NOT BOMBZ DUDEZ.
dkp993
Footballguy
Unfortunately I have watched more of these recent Portland videos then I care to admit. I’m officially far more disgusted with these antifa/proud boy groups than I ever was with Trump. I cannot overstate the magnitude that statement. My contempt for Trump know no bounds honestly, but ultimately he’s just one sick man. Antifa and proud boys represent 1000’s of people (active and those that agree philosophically). Thats far more dangerous at this point.
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Mostly i think they are a bunch of thugs looking for a fight. They know the violence is coming, they want it and expect it.
That being said groups like the proud boys are founded based on some pretty terrible principles so I hold them in more contempt than others.
squistion
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Um, no...actually we didn't say the real threat to press freedoms resided in Trump and it is still true that ANTIFA ,as an actual organization, does not exist.
Summer Wheat
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I agree and it is sad that a once nice city like Portland has allowed this to continue. There is no leadership and these groups are ruining the downton area.
Summer Wheat
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They can`t.
As as actual organization the leaders and many members would be in prison so they have to run it with very loose ties. They are more like small pods of terrorists cells.
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dkp993
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Yep. I can’t get my head around what that city’s leadership is doing. I lived there for a year in the early 2000’s, great city. It’s an embarrassment for the city and for any of us watching where this country is heading.
urbanhack
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Completely agree about the mayor. He's the worst.
https://www.opb.org/article/2021/08/22/far-right-activists-counterprotesters-gather-in-portland/?
sho nuff
Footballguy
Sure...these groups are awful and are the threat. Not sure anyone claimed Trump was a physical threat to the press. His rhetoric though...(as well as any on the left that give credence to antifa) fuels such things. Trump got hit for it because he held the highest office in the land and fueled that type of division from such right wing groups. He refused to flat out denounce them and not have some sort of but with it. That is why he got slammed often about such things...along with his own verbal attacks at the press (and part of what put such a doubt on even legitimate journalism these days.
rockaction
Footballguy
Here's Kendrick Lamar, savior of the black left, with his feelings about press coverage, too.
Isolated thoughts, isolated incidents.
Isolated thoughts, isolated incidents.
urbanhack
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It's amazing the mayor, the city council and the police all knew this was happening. You know what their plan was? This: https://twitter.com/PDXzane/status/1429610237611286535?s=20
Portland is between a rock and a hard place. The far right and racist organizations have targeted it. None of these people are from there. They are there to start violence and agitate the populace.
rockaction
Footballguy
Didn't click the link, but if you're talking about farming out police functions to the Proud Boys, you've got a massive problem. I mean, it's more massive than you might think. What there needs to be is civil law and order, not reliance on vigilantes, law and order executed by the appropriate authorities with civil oversight. Your city broke down in that respect and didn't back its silent majority of civilians. Or, even worse, the silent majority of civilians agreed to the breakdown in law and order.
E Street Brat
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If Trump wanted to, he could have the entire press corps asses for them.
Trump is like 10 of those antifa wusses.
urbanhack
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Well one thing is blatantly obvious. Peaceful BLM protests have been met with tear gas and rubber bullets. Yet the Proud Boys can come in from out of town fully announcing their intention to do harm and the cops are nowhere to be found.
rockaction
Footballguy
Portland, and anybody who follows this knows it, has a massive left-wing problem where they essentially removed all authority and then agitated against it daily to the support of a large portion of the populace. Seeing that the city couldn't run with Antifa and other anarchist groups leading the way, it seems to have allowed right-wing groups to propagate and fulfill the function that civilian law and order was supposed to provide.
It's like I told my girlfriend way, way back in the late nineties. The breakdown in order in fascist areas always comes from the left and then the vacuum of power happens. The right then steps in to provide the majority of civilians who desire some form of order with an alternative to nightly rioting.
This might be what we're seeing in Portland.
rockaction
Footballguy
I highly doubt that. This is not what friends report, nor does the New Yorker. The BLM protests are full of violent Antifa or anti-fascist members. The original problem is not with your right-wing here. It is violence against the public and public buildings from the left. The right is there to provide order, which is just as bad as the original movements away from it. Portland, as has long been described here, is a ####fest in certain areas.
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yea that's just all wrong imho
This topic seems to really agitate you because you are usually quite thoughtful
rockaction
Footballguy
I don't think that's all wrong in the least. My left-wing friends report to me from there and tell me that.
I'm not agitated in the least. I'm deeply concerned that in the Pacific NW there seems to be a vacuum of authority and a civil war fomenting. Call me crazy, but I don't like either side and don't want it to spread like wildfire. I don't choose either side in the fight. They're both awful.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
I'm not saying all the protests have been peaceful...obviously not the case. But I've been to several over the past year or so and there's been multiple times where unprovoked force was used by the police in a peaceful situation.
rockaction
Footballguy
Fair enough. May I consider you a Portland friend reporting? I could use a counterweight. I believe you, too.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Sure thing. Sounds like you have enough friends here to make a visit. First coffee or beer or tequila is on me.
rockaction
Footballguy
Heh. I had a dream just a month or two ago that I was in Portland visiting. It was an interesting dream -- to me -- about my friend and his children, who are getting older and surprisingly so. Gladly take you up on that if I ever make it.
On a more serious note, I didn't want this to totally be about Portland, more that the tactics used by Antifa and others on the left towards the press bear watching, too. While Trump had external restraints on his fascist dream, these people don't, and it needs to be noted.
I'm sure if Trump and Bannon could, their serious delusions would have wound up with heads on pikes. I don't doubt it. Vigilance on all sides is what I ask, even at its possibly justifiable roots of self-defense.
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squistion
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An unproven claim outside of a few isolated quotes of observations from lower level participants in BLM marches. Some Antifa anti-fascists showing up at a BLM protest doesn't mean any kind of official BLM/Antifa association, as you falsely keep insisting.
rockaction
Footballguy
Any longform article in the New Yorker goes through the most extensive fact-checking process known to man, at least as far as journalism goes. Get back to me when you have a set of premises that matches the facts. Because your facts are wrong, your premises are wrong, and your conclusions are Party garbage.
Bottomfeeder Sports
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The guy wearing a homemade "I hate the left N Racism" vest at 44 seconds is part of the "radical left"? Or, were those guys the good guys from the right fighting back?
Thunderlips
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quick-hands
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knowledge dropper
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Like nominating someone so boringly in the center, so stuck as part of the establishment to head a party that seldom elects anyone for anything outside of machine politics where a dozen or so exceptions will be quickly offered to prove the rule?
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