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WR Rashee Rice, KC (2 Viewers)
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WaltonGoggins
Footballguy
Interesting I’m starting Johnson think PIT is going to run and pass all over Cardinals one of the worst defense.
WaltonGoggins
Footballguy
Now tempted to start Noah Brown instead ha
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
It seems like most of what he gets is manufactured touches where he catches the ball around the line of scrimmage and scampers for 6 to 10 yards. Do they not trust him to run most of the route tree?
rockaction
Footballguy
That's a really good question. I wonder.
Hugsy_Malone
Footballguy
From Matt Harmon of Reception Perception over at Yahoo!:
Rice is their best receiver and it would sure be nice if the Chiefs had any faith in him beating man coverage and winning on big-boy routes down the field. I don’t think Rice has shown those skills as a separator on film in the NFL yet and, clearly, the Chiefs' brain trust isn’t seeing what they want yet either. For all of Rice’s positive contributions, that’s an issue.
And honestly, I don’t blame Rashee Rice on this one. He’s already well-outkicked expectations for his rookie season. He’s stepped into JuJu Smith-Schuster’s vacated role and frankly been better than the veteran receiver was for the 2022 Chiefs. The problem is everyone else in the room. Rice could dominate in [his] role and there would be no worries if someone else could win consistently outside and downfield.
caustic
Footballguy
I think this is exactly right. He's shown some exciting flashes on "big boy" routes, but doesn't win them consistently enough to be a team's WR1 yet. That's totally fine for a rookie. The problem is that the rest of KC's WR room is such a tragedy that they can't afford to have him try those routes and fail - if Kelce and Rice aren't open, the play is on life support. So they resort to these gimmicky, manufactured touches to make sure the ball ends up in his hands. It's not ideal.
Krilons Resa
Footballguy
With Pacheco sidelined, I wouldn't be surprised if Andy Reid starts using Rashee Rice more as an extension of their run game with a few more WR screens and other low ADot throws that he has been getting lately. Rice looks like a RB with the ball in his hands.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
100% agree. It was truly amazing the Chiefs were able to win the Superbowl last season with one of the worst WR rooms in the league. McKinnon had more TDs than other the other WR combined. It really speaks to how dominate the Mahomes to Kelce connection was overall and Andy Reid plus the rest of the coaching staff.
cdclopper
Footballguy
His last two games on film:
I'm wondering if he's good, or if he's the product of how bad the other Chiefs receivers are. He's putting up similar numbers to Juju Smith-Schuster last year.
week 14 vs Buffalo - 7rec, 79yards, TD
week 13 vs Green Bay - 8rec, 64yards
I'm wondering if he's good, or if he's the product of how bad the other Chiefs receivers are. He's putting up similar numbers to Juju Smith-Schuster last year.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Id say a little of both. He definitely has talent but doubt he'd get as much production if they added another solid WR.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Probably but he is a rookie so he's still growing. He could be a nice player.
cdclopper
Footballguy
The Chiefs trust him more than players who have been in the system for a little bit. And he's a rookie.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yeah he’s looking pretty solid- though who would they trust over him? Toney? Skyy Moore?
rockaction
Footballguy
Their other receivers really are bad.
JamboTaylor
Footballguy
Da Franchise
Footballguy
Starting Garrett Wilson over him this week is going to cost me big time.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Man this guy really nailed it
caustic
Footballguy
92% yesterday.
Plenty of manufactured touches again, but the coaching staff is adding more complex wrinkles to his assignments each week. You can really see him developing a feel for the position - sitting down in the soft spots of a zone defense, breaking back to the LOS when Mahomes is in trouble, things that make life easier for the QB and that no other Chiefs WR is capable of. Rashee now has more receiving yards (754) than MVS, Skyy, and Toney combined (725).
FarFromHome
Footballguy
If this turns out to be a true statement then the Chiefs have learned nothing.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Prolly doubt it as they are still in need of an X as Kelce is fading fast and can't be relied on next year as well. Think Rice would do well if he were kept in a ARSB type role which is good for fantasy
Yeah even if they bring in a good outside wr he’ll just feast as a big slot over the middle as Kelce fades. And if he develops his outside game he could be CeeDee Lamb. Maybe not as shifty but he’s got similar burst after the catch. I’ll settle for ARSB though!
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Will he be the most valuable WR (real-life and fantasy) that is currently on the Chiefs' roster? Yes, and he already was. To what extent will his stats improve? Depends on who else they bring in and how they restructure the offense, if at all. But he clearly has a connection with Mahomes and that can in theory lead to some huge numbers.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
My crystal ball has Mike Evans signing with Chiefs. Would be a perfect fit. His deep ball ability and Mahomes would be fun to watch
I think so. The big issue, in the short term, is who the Chiefs obtain via FA and the draft. This class is very deep at WR and the Chiefs will almost certainly add a receiver in the first two rounds. After Rice, the wr corps are very thin. Additionally, many veteran WR would jump to play with Mahomes. I see lots of off season changes.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Funny how this looks just like Juju's best season of his career- this guy was brought in to replace him lol
Also looks like a ARSB line- high reception, reliable target, maybe not huge plays but NFL highly values these chain movers. Can see them going after Mike Evans or some type of bigger, fast deep ball specialist that does not have the acronym of MVS lol
WaltonGoggins
Footballguy
Evans might be the one FA WR that I'd love to see in Texans uniform. Stroud to Evans or Nico or Tank would be a pick your poison situation.
Chaka
Footballguy
Mike eVanS
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
8/130/TD
Rookie WR
No doubt the QB helps speed the transition or process up for him to excel in the NFL
Make no mistake, he's not the splashiest rookie we've ever seen but he's pretty darn good and makes catches when Mahomes throws to him.
102 targets, 79 receptions, 77.5% catch rate
I could argue they should have been throwing the ball to Rice even more often.
I don't think Rice is extra special but he will slide into one of the starting spots for the next couple seasons with Mahomes at QB and Reid calling plays
I also think KC will draft another weapon for Mahomes at WR that could have more perceived top end skills, especially if they decided to draft someone in the 1st
Rookie WR
No doubt the QB helps speed the transition or process up for him to excel in the NFL
Make no mistake, he's not the splashiest rookie we've ever seen but he's pretty darn good and makes catches when Mahomes throws to him.
102 targets, 79 receptions, 77.5% catch rate
I could argue they should have been throwing the ball to Rice even more often.
I don't think Rice is extra special but he will slide into one of the starting spots for the next couple seasons with Mahomes at QB and Reid calling plays
I also think KC will draft another weapon for Mahomes at WR that could have more perceived top end skills, especially if they decided to draft someone in the 1st
Ilov80s
Footballguy
A Michael Pittman type maybe?
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Why yes, I can keep him for $6 in my $250-cap keep-4 auction league, and I will.
BigJim®
Footballguy
JMHO, there's a cross section of FF disbelievers who invested in Hardman, Sky Moore, MVS, Watson and Toney who remain skeptical of Rice under the same mindset that allowed me to nab Rashee at 2.11 in a rookie draft last year. He can't succeed, because those guys didn't.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Yes, someone who is slightly ahead of the curve coming into the NFL.
Rice could easily be better next season elevate to a true No 1 but if I had Mahomes as my QB and I were the GM, yeah I'd be looking for upgrades at all the WR slots
-I assume you and I are talking NFL, Rice could still easily be a Top 20 WR next season, and perhaps I'm underselling him but a new weapon taken high in the Draft or a FA could limit some of the upside people see right now BECAUSE there isn't much left in KC, watched Kelce drop balls I've ever seen him drop last night, he's on the downside of his career eve though I know he will keep playing as long as he can ride with KC.
-But if I were the Chiefs GM/Owner, I would say we have one of the best QBs in the NFL, Super Bowl is always a possibility, get him weapons of mass destruction, preferably young and on rookie deals coming out of the Draft to keep the cap in line and free up dollars for the Defense so they can continue to be a very strong part of why the Chiefs continue to win football games.
I think the Chiefs will be exposed either on the road at Buffalo next week although the Bills when they are not playing Miami look very mortal
If they get by the Bills, feels like the Ravens are Super Bowl bund right now.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
There are definitely some naysayers who haven't actually watched him play much or refuse to admit their initial take was wrong. He's electric; things happen when he gets the ball. And his connection with Mahomes grew during the course of the year, to the point where he's getting the snap count and running the routes of a top WR, as opposed to being reserved for manufactured touches like earlier in the season. Someone who has the trust of the top QB in the NFL (this year's stats notwithstanding) and makes things happen when he gets the ball has a very bright future for the next few years.
caustic
Footballguy
Rice's current statistical profile (essentially league-worst aDOT but league-best YAC) is almost identical to Deebo Samuel's. There should be more to unlock in Rice's game, though - his rookie year production of 938 receiving yards is already better than four of Deebo's five seasons. His size advantage over Deebo will keep him from being so limited to the slot. And in college, Rice was pretty effective at stacking DBs on deep routes, an element of his game that the Chiefs haven't really tapped into yet. That could change once KC has more than 1 other NFL-caliber target for Mahomes. He may not be a future "alpha WR1," but he should be a very dangerous and productive weapon for KC moving forward. Thrilled to have him in dynasty.
Update: 124/1574/10
Agree with this about him being electric. It was obvious very early on that he’s very good with the ball in his hands. His explosiveness jumped off the screen. I still don’t think he ran close to a full route tree as the post below yours suggests. There’s more to tap into there.
Agreed here as well. I read somewhere that in college he wasn’t actually all that good at slants and the shorter stuff that he’s excelling at in the pros. He should have the ability to get deep in the pros as that was a strength of his.
