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WR Quentin Johnston, LAC (1 Viewer)

dmac37 said:
Not really a guy I'm interested in at his value but I thought his interview on NFL Network with Moving The Chains was very impressive. Seems to be a great young man that any coach will love to have.
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As a TCU fan. I can attest. He is a class act.

Whether that makes him good on the field doesn’t really matter.

Doctson was a class act as well and that didn’t pan out.
 
Ziggs said:
He did a great job today catching with his hands out in front of him. His release off the line can look awkward at times. Too many stutter steps. Overall a good day for him IMO.
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Agreed. He is definitely in contention to be the 1st WR taken. If he runs at his combine and can post something in the 4.4X range than I could see him going top 12 even.
 
Ilov80s said:
@BobbyLayne what are your thoughts on Q as an NFL WR?
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Feel like if he's there at 18 the Lions should take him. The most talented bigger WR in the class.

I think JSN is the #1 WR. I mean, when the guy played alongside Garrett Wilson and Chris Olave, all three of them said he was the best amongst them.

Weird class. The best WRs are smaller (Flowers, Downs, Tank Dell), the bigger body guys are pretty flawed (Mims, Tillman.)

Johnston doesn't blow you away, feels like there has to be more development. Like how does Max Duggan throw 32 TDs and this guy only has 6?

From a technical perspective, the late Day 2 guy I like a lot is A.T. Perry. IMO JSN, Flowers and Perry are the best route runners in the class.

Of those, Perry seems like the one who has the traits that usually end up on the boundary. Very cerebral guy who has uncommon refinement. But there are other things about that give you pause (late breakout, ACC level of competition.)
 
Fusue had his pro day 40 at 4.58s. he also weighed in at 212 after being 206 at the combine.

I don't really care about 40 times for WRs unless they are really good or really bad, so this just keeps QJ at same ranking for me.
 
massraider said:
Quentin Johnston is a WR prospect in the 2023 draft class. He scored an unofficial 9.60 RAS out of a possible 10.00 after his pro day (with projected splits). This ranked 120 out of 2989 WR from 1987 to 2023

His YAC and broken tackle numbers were special. He avoids people and breaks tackles. I get the flaws, but he could be flawed and special. Terrell Owens type
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While I agree he has special physical skill set and potential for extraordinary plays, my big hang up is his lack of performance when against upper caliber defenses who jam & press him at the line. There are multiple games this occurred. That is what I am having trouble with in keeping him in my Top 5 WR group
 
massraider said:
Quentin Johnston is a WR prospect in the 2023 draft class. He scored an unofficial 9.60 RAS out of a possible 10.00 after his pro day (with projected splits). This ranked 120 out of 2989 WR from 1987 to 2023

His YAC and broken tackle numbers were special. He avoids people and breaks tackles. I get the flaws, but he could be flawed and special. Terrell Owens type
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I definitely see the bust potential, but I also want to make sure I take a shot on him in at least one dynasty leagues out of 4. He looks like a fun player to have if he hits.
 
Greg Cosell:
Johnston came out of Texas as a 4-star recruit and a top-75 prospect nationally. He was voted First-Team All-Big 12 in both 2021 and 2022.

Johnston lined up in multiple locations in TCU’s offense in 2021: Boundary x on the back side of trips, No. 1 to trips to the field in 3x1 sets, No. 1 to the boundary in 2x2 sets, No. 1 to the field in twins set opposite closed boundary. Johnston was used at times on jet sweeps to take advantage of stride length and play speed. He was featured on post routes both from the outside and the slot, showing stride length and play speed to run by and get on top of college corners.

Johnston again in 2022 lined up in multiple locations in TCU’s offense, and was deployed at times as the motion receiver. He had significant snaps at boundary x on the back side of trips; Johnston was featured on vertical routes and crossing routes in the TCU offense.




Positives:​

  • Tall, athletic, long strider, traits to work all three levels; Stride length and play speed to be a vertical dimension.
  • Smooth strider with easy speed who ate up ground quickly; Broke down cushion of corners and safeties.
  • Easy catcher with his hands, wide catching radius with soft hands to make tough catches away from his frame.
  • On routes he showed short area quickness and burst, were times he was an efficient separation generator.
  • Effectively worked back to QB/ball on curls and out routes; Presented flat and friendly to QB; Attacked the ball.
  • Stride length and vertical stem play speed to threaten corners vertically to create space on intermediate routes.
  • At times, flashed the ability to make tough contested catches using his size and length; High-pointed the ball.
  • Run-after-catch strength of game showing quick subtle lateral quickness with deceptive make-you-miss ability.



Negatives:​

  • A few too many drops on balls he must catch; Given size, needs to get better making tough contested catches.
  • Long and high cut, which at times limited his ability to make sharp cuts and separate at the top of route stem.
  • Too upright in his vertical routes, which slowed him down and limited his ability to separate from the secondary.
  • Did not see many receptions inside. Is Johnston predominantly an outside the numbers vertical receiver?



Bottom Line:​

Johnston’s 2021 and 2022 video showed a smooth and fluid size/speed receiver who was at his best as a movement route runner/receiver (vertical routes, post routes/over routes/shallow and intermediate crossers), where his stride length and play speed could generate separation. Stride length is a significant trait for Johnston, breaking down the cushion of off-coverage corners and running away from corners on both horizontal and vertical routes. Johnston is a fluid mover with easy and effortless acceleration and long stride speed who showed the vertical ability to get on top of college corners.

There is no doubt Johnston with his size/stride length/speed profile can be a vertical dimension at the next level, but the question is can he develop into a complete receiver who can be a factor at all three levels on a consistent basis? One area Johnston must improve is his consistency catching the ball, with too many drops littered throughout his 2022 video.

Johnston’s size, speed and vertical ability will get people excited. The question will be what can Johnston develop into 2-4 years down the road: Will he be a nice complement to a true No. 1 or can he become a Justin Jefferson/Davonte Adams/Ja’Marr Chase-type of receiver? That will be in the eye of the beholder, but it is not a given.
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massraider said:
Greg Cosell:
Johnston came out of Texas as a 4-star recruit and a top-75 prospect nationally. He was voted First-Team All-Big 12 in both 2021 and 2022.

Johnston lined up in multiple locations in TCU’s offense in 2021: Boundary x on the back side of trips, No. 1 to trips to the field in 3x1 sets, No. 1 to the boundary in 2x2 sets, No. 1 to the field in twins set opposite closed boundary. Johnston was used at times on jet sweeps to take advantage of stride length and play speed. He was featured on post routes both from the outside and the slot, showing stride length and play speed to run by and get on top of college corners.

Johnston again in 2022 lined up in multiple locations in TCU’s offense, and was deployed at times as the motion receiver. He had significant snaps at boundary x on the back side of trips; Johnston was featured on vertical routes and crossing routes in the TCU offense.




Positives:​

  • Tall, athletic, long strider, traits to work all three levels; Stride length and play speed to be a vertical dimension.
  • Smooth strider with easy speed who ate up ground quickly; Broke down cushion of corners and safeties.
  • Easy catcher with his hands, wide catching radius with soft hands to make tough catches away from his frame.
  • On routes he showed short area quickness and burst, were times he was an efficient separation generator.
  • Effectively worked back to QB/ball on curls and out routes; Presented flat and friendly to QB; Attacked the ball.
  • Stride length and vertical stem play speed to threaten corners vertically to create space on intermediate routes.
  • At times, flashed the ability to make tough contested catches using his size and length; High-pointed the ball.
  • Run-after-catch strength of game showing quick subtle lateral quickness with deceptive make-you-miss ability.



Negatives:​

  • A few too many drops on balls he must catch; Given size, needs to get better making tough contested catches.
  • Long and high cut, which at times limited his ability to make sharp cuts and separate at the top of route stem.
  • Too upright in his vertical routes, which slowed him down and limited his ability to separate from the secondary.
  • Did not see many receptions inside. Is Johnston predominantly an outside the numbers vertical receiver?



Bottom Line:​

Johnston’s 2021 and 2022 video showed a smooth and fluid size/speed receiver who was at his best as a movement route runner/receiver (vertical routes, post routes/over routes/shallow and intermediate crossers), where his stride length and play speed could generate separation. Stride length is a significant trait for Johnston, breaking down the cushion of off-coverage corners and running away from corners on both horizontal and vertical routes. Johnston is a fluid mover with easy and effortless acceleration and long stride speed who showed the vertical ability to get on top of college corners.

There is no doubt Johnston with his size/stride length/speed profile can be a vertical dimension at the next level, but the question is can he develop into a complete receiver who can be a factor at all three levels on a consistent basis? One area Johnston must improve is his consistency catching the ball, with too many drops littered throughout his 2022 video.

Johnston’s size, speed and vertical ability will get people excited. The question will be what can Johnston develop into 2-4 years down the road: Will he be a nice complement to a true No. 1 or can he become a Justin Jefferson/Davonte Adams/Ja’Marr Chase-type of receiver? That will be in the eye of the beholder, but it is not a given.
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I really like Cosell's takes most of the time. I also like Waldman. I think Johnston is tough to gage at this point. He has the size / speed attributes for sure, but does he win enough on contested catches where he should, because of his size? Cosell pointed out as one of the negatives about not catching enough inside....hmm. and running too upright in his vertical routes, which limits his ability to separate. Does anyone else agree with this?
 
Nate Tice
@Nate_Tice
the rise of Jet sweeps and the plays off of Jet motion are likely correlated to the increase in YAC as well. Just looking at WR & TE with 30+ targets, the percentage of targets that were at or behind the line of scrimmage: '18: 11.7% '19: 11.5% '20: 12.9% '21: 13.6% '22: 13.9%
Tej Seth@tejfbanalytics
the league moving to being more YAC-based might give quentin johnston a boost in the draft given his very high end YAC ability gives him a pretty high ceiling. the drawback is YAC is conditional on catching on he has struggled in that department https://sumersports.com/the-zone/the-ingredients-of-yards-after-catch-in-the-nfl/…
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The Ingredients of Yards After Catch in the NFL
 
JohnnyU said:
I want to like QJ, but I'm scarred. Someone make me feel better about him.
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When lined up at LOS, he struggles vs Press Coverage. There are multiple examples of games in film showing these schemes to take him out of the equation.

If he is in "motion" or set off LOS, he has a chance to be valuable. All depends on how he is utilized and the OC Schemes. First Glance - KC would be an ideal fit as they move/motion all the time. But Minn would be a terrible fit.
 
Bracie Smathers said:
Nate Tice
@Nate_Tice
the rise of Jet sweeps and the plays off of Jet motion are likely correlated to the increase in YAC as well. Just looking at WR & TE with 30+ targets, the percentage of targets that were at or behind the line of scrimmage: '18: 11.7% '19: 11.5% '20: 12.9% '21: 13.6% '22: 13.9%
Tej Seth@tejfbanalytics
the league moving to being more YAC-based might give quentin johnston a boost in the draft given his very high end YAC ability gives him a pretty high ceiling. the drawback is YAC is conditional on catching on he has struggled in that department https://sumersports.com/the-zone/the-ingredients-of-yards-after-catch-in-the-nfl/…
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The Ingredients of Yards After Catch in the NFL
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Sorry can you delete this post?

This thread is about Quentin Johnston, and what he CANNOT do. If you would like to come in and whine that you were promised Calvin Johnson before the season, that is acceptable.

If you would like to focus on positives, please take it to the JSN thread.
 
JohnnyU said:
I want to like QJ, but I'm scared. Someone make me feel better about him.
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He's the best WR in the class after the catch, he's got the best size, and he dealt with a lot less WR friendly offense than JSN or Addison did. I'd argue he has the highest ceiling in the class.

That said, he's also much more likely than those other 2 to fall, as he's a body catcher at times, and wasn't invited to the draft.

He's my favorite WR in this class, but I'm a risk taker.
 
I hit the character limit in my Route Running thread, so I'm putting the full quotes and links for each player in their bespoke threads.

+/- "smooth route running and mobility for a player his size", "takes too many steps setting something up" - https://bleacherreport.com/articles...ton-nfl-draft-2023-scouting-report-for-tcu-wr
- "needs a specific route tree", "Long release steps allow press to tag him", "Struggles to create leverage and deception in his routes", "Listless getting out of breaks" - https://www.nfl.com/prospects/quentin-johnston/32004a4f-4882-3261-dcd8-a43c8f7c5608
+ "Very sharp and effective on both in-breaking and out-breaking routes", "Knows how to stack opponents to get downfield" - https://wolfsports.com/nfl/2023-nfl-draft-scouting-report-wr-quentin-johnston/
- "route refinement will be priority", "needs to work on his ability to sell his routes better" - https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/f...outing-best-fits-dynasty-advanced-stats-more/
+/- "excellent ability to drop his hips or change directions", "hard to know if he can handle a full NFL-route tree" - https://www.dynastynerds.com/2023-rookie-profile-quentin-johnston-wide-receiver-tcu/
+/- "not too shabby when running a slant or a hitch" - https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2023-nfl-draft-profile-quentin-johnston-tcu
- "does not always create immediate separation at the line of scrimmage" - https://www.thefantasyfootballers.c...ie-profile-quentin-johnston-fantasy-football/
+/- "creates separation from coverage with relative ease", "If a cornerback gets physical with him in press-man coverage, Johnston gets thrown off his route" - https://sportsnaut.com/quentin-johnston-draft-profile/
 
2023 NFL Draft bold observations: Seven unconventional takeaways from studying this draft class

Excerpt:

Quentin Johnston is WR1​

Johnston is far from perfect as a prospect. He didn't run in the 4.40s at the combine or his pro day. He isn't Mike Evans in contested-catch situations, and really, at times looks awkward when attacking the football at its highest point. But he's a yards-after-the-catch specialist. Just because the TCU offense featured like eleventy billion jump-ball deep shots for Johnston doesn't mean that's the type of receiver he is or will be in the NFL.

He needs to be viewed through the YAC monster lens. He's not 6-feet-4 and 230 pounds. He's a hair under 6-3 and 210 pounds. Pretty stocky. His 40.5-inch vertical explosiveness allows him to get top speed in a hurry, and Johnston's frame makes his equilibrium nearly unshakable with the football in his hands. In the modern NFL route running absolutely matters. But we're seeing receivers get schemed open more now than ever. YAC is crucial. Johnston is the most ferocious YAC wideout in the class, a large part of why he's my WR1.
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This dude could not be further from my board. Bad hands, incomplete route runner, ho him combine, little production….late 2nd is where I’d even start thinking of taking the plunge.

He might be the guy that finally gets everyone over the obsession with 6’2 WRs.
 
He's still holding at WR4 in grinding the mocks around pick 25. Behind JSN 12/ Flowers 20/ Addison 23.

If those hold, his rookie dynasty ADP will drop a bunch of spots (Currently only going behind Bijan/Gibbs and JSN for non QBs) . Could easily see Charb and/or Abanikanda, Flowers, Addison, Myers and Kincaid jumping him in some drafts, depending on how things shake out. It will be interesting to re-visit the thread in 3 years. "What a great value at pick 11" could be prophetic or great for a laugh.

I think people might be exaggerating the floor a little.

I am so freaking excited/ terrified for the draft this year. 1.01, 1.02, 1.07, 1.11 in 1QB.
 
Like a lot of you, he scares the crap out of me. I'd rather take a safer guy than hope he realizes his upside. I worry I don't see how he consistently wins in the NFL.

He's not a contested catch guy. He's not an elite route runner. His game is largely built on this insane YAC ability. He spent college bouncing off of Big 12 defenders and running 20 yards. I'm not sure he can consistently bounce off NFL DB's. To make that worse, he's struggled with drops--even on short routes.

If we all universally agree to fade him and he falls to the 2nd, the upside is a lot more interesting at that point. I think there's going to be someone in every league that falls in love with his size and highlight tape.
 
greenmountaingoat said:
He's still holding at WR4 in grinding the mocks around pick 25. Behind JSN 12/ Flowers 20/ Addison 23.

If those hold, his rookie dynasty ADP will drop a bunch of spots (Currently only going behind Bijan/Gibbs and JSN for non QBs) . Could easily see Charb and/or Abanikanda, Flowers, Addison, Myers and Kincaid jumping him in some drafts, depending on how things shake out. It will be interesting to re-visit the thread in 3 years. "What a great value at pick 11" could be prophetic or great for a laugh.

I think people might be exaggerating the floor a little.

I am so freaking excited/ terrified for the draft this year. 1.01, 1.02, 1.07, 1.11 in 1QB.
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Great post.
 
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