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WR Marvin Mims, DEN (1 Viewer)

I think everyone is missing the boat on this kid primarily because quotes from the article above like this...

He joins a crowded Denver Broncos receiving room comprising established players such as Courtland Sutton, Jerry Jeudy, Tim Patrick, and K.J. Hamler. The odds are stacked against the rookie earning significant opportunity in his first season.
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That isn't a stacked WR room at all. There is some draft capital in those names, but none of them are unmoveable caliber players on a depth chart. The only 1,000 season came from Sutton 4 years ago.

It's almost a joke to include Hamler in there as well as the guy does one thing that Mims probably does better.

With the Broncos for as many holes as they have actually traded up with what few draft picks they had to pick the kid. He's Payton's first pick and there was a reason for it. The rest of the WR room wasn't cutting it.
 
Max Power said:
I think everyone is missing the boat on this kid primarily because quotes from the article above like this...

He joins a crowded Denver Broncos receiving room comprising established players such as Courtland Sutton, Jerry Jeudy, Tim Patrick, and K.J. Hamler. The odds are stacked against the rookie earning significant opportunity in his first season.
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That isn't a stacked WR room at all. There is some draft capital in those names, but none of them are unmoveable caliber players on a depth chart. The only 1,000 season came from Sutton 4 years ago.

It's almost a joke to include Hamler in there as well as the guy does one thing that Mims probably does better.

With the Broncos for as many holes as they have actually traded up with what few draft picks they had to pick the kid. He's Payton's first pick and there was a reason for it. The rest of the WR room wasn't cutting it.
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I would trade Sutton for a pack of Skittles.
 
Max Power said:
I think everyone is missing the boat on this kid primarily because quotes from the article above like this...

He joins a crowded Denver Broncos receiving room comprising established players such as Courtland Sutton, Jerry Jeudy, Tim Patrick, and K.J. Hamler. The odds are stacked against the rookie earning significant opportunity in his first season.
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That isn't a stacked WR room at all. There is some draft capital in those names, but none of them are unmoveable caliber players on a depth chart. The only 1,000 season came from Sutton 4 years ago.

It's almost a joke to include Hamler in there as well as the guy does one thing that Mims probably does better.

With the Broncos for as many holes as they have actually traded up with what few draft picks they had to pick the kid. He's Payton's first pick and there was a reason for it. The rest of the WR room wasn't cutting it.
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Let's start with what the quote actually says. It doesn't say the WR room is "stacked." Those are your words.

The quote says the odds are stacked against a rookie getting significant oppty in his first season, when the WR already has a number of established players.

Which (excepting Hamler) is completely accurate. And common sense.

ETA: And outside of the WR room per se is TE Dulcich, who also represents competition for targets and for whom Payton has already shown much love publicly
 
Stoneworker said:
Max Power said:
I think everyone is missing the boat on this kid primarily because quotes from the article above like this...

He joins a crowded Denver Broncos receiving room comprising established players such as Courtland Sutton, Jerry Jeudy, Tim Patrick, and K.J. Hamler. The odds are stacked against the rookie earning significant opportunity in his first season.
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That isn't a stacked WR room at all. There is some draft capital in those names, but none of them are unmoveable caliber players on a depth chart. The only 1,000 season came from Sutton 4 years ago.

It's almost a joke to include Hamler in there as well as the guy does one thing that Mims probably does better.

With the Broncos for as many holes as they have actually traded up with what few draft picks they had to pick the kid. He's Payton's first pick and there was a reason for it. The rest of the WR room wasn't cutting it.
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Let's start with what the quote actually says. It doesn't say the WR room is "stacked." Those are your words.

The quote says the odds are stacked against a rookie getting significant oppty in his first season, when the WR already has a number of established players.

Which (excepting Hamler) is completely accurate. And common sense.

ETA: And outside of the WR room per se is TE Dulcich, who also represents competition for targets and for whom Payton has already shown much love publicly
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The article clearly implies that Mims may not get a lot of playing time because of the talent in front of him.

Your point is fair, but if we're all going off what rookies are behind "established" players and therefore won't see a lot of playing time... that's every WR taken outside of maybe Addison. So discounting Mims more than anyone else doesn't make sense.
 
Max Power said:
Stoneworker said:
Max Power said:
I think everyone is missing the boat on this kid primarily because quotes from the article above like this...

He joins a crowded Denver Broncos receiving room comprising established players such as Courtland Sutton, Jerry Jeudy, Tim Patrick, and K.J. Hamler. The odds are stacked against the rookie earning significant opportunity in his first season.
Click to expand...

That isn't a stacked WR room at all. There is some draft capital in those names, but none of them are unmoveable caliber players on a depth chart. The only 1,000 season came from Sutton 4 years ago.

It's almost a joke to include Hamler in there as well as the guy does one thing that Mims probably does better.

With the Broncos for as many holes as they have actually traded up with what few draft picks they had to pick the kid. He's Payton's first pick and there was a reason for it. The rest of the WR room wasn't cutting it.
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Let's start with what the quote actually says. It doesn't say the WR room is "stacked." Those are your words.

The quote says the odds are stacked against a rookie getting significant oppty in his first season, when the WR already has a number of established players.

Which (excepting Hamler) is completely accurate. And common sense.

ETA: And outside of the WR room per se is TE Dulcich, who also represents competition for targets and for whom Payton has already shown much love publicly
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The article clearly implies that Mims may not get a lot of playing time because of the talent in front of him.

Your point is fair, but if we're all going off what rookies are behind "established" players and therefore won't see a lot of playing time... that's every WR taken outside of maybe Addison. So discounting Mims more than anyone else doesn't make sense.
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IMO there's definitely something to be said for the fact that a) Mims was Payton's first draft pick as HC, b) they traded up to get him and c) with minimal draft capital they chose a WR instead of RB when it appeared their immediate needs were opposite.

I'm seeing Mims more as a part-time slot guy / specialist in his first year and not an X or a Z but we'll see as TC progresses.

$0.02
 
JohnnyU said:
Max Power said:
I think everyone is missing the boat on this kid primarily because quotes from the article above like this...

He joins a crowded Denver Broncos receiving room comprising established players such as Courtland Sutton, Jerry Jeudy, Tim Patrick, and K.J. Hamler. The odds are stacked against the rookie earning significant opportunity in his first season.
Click to expand...

That isn't a stacked WR room at all. There is some draft capital in those names, but none of them are unmoveable caliber players on a depth chart. The only 1,000 season came from Sutton 4 years ago.

It's almost a joke to include Hamler in there as well as the guy does one thing that Mims probably does better.

With the Broncos for as many holes as they have actually traded up with what few draft picks they had to pick the kid. He's Payton's first pick and there was a reason for it. The rest of the WR room wasn't cutting it.
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I would trade Sutton for a pack of Skittles.
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I took over an orphan with Sutton. I can get a 3rd for Sutton, no more. There's no market for him.
 
I love getting Mims in the 2nd. I got him as late as 2.11 in a single qb league, but also took him at 2.01 in another. I think there's a bit of a stink about Denver and there's not a clear path to a year 1 role for Mims and that's pushing him below the middle tier of RBs, and sometimes below guys like Reed, Downs, Rice. I see a guy Payton probably wants to use similar to Brandin Cooks in NO, and that's probably worth waiting a year on.
 
Not sure if it's been noted, but Mims had an almost Derrick Henry like hs senior season. Over 2600 yards and 32 TDs. Sure HS, and I don't know the level of play in Plano Tx, but daaayum!
 
Thinking about him with the 1.11. I know that's early but I do not believe he'll last till the 2.11 and I want my guy.
 
Looks like Mims' hamstring has healed up sufficiently to be back at practice today.

Payton trading up for him looks 1000x better with the recent tragic news re: Tim Patrick.
 
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“Offensive coordinator Joe Lombardi “for sure” believes Mims can be a player that steps up in the receiver room.“He was hurt the first couple of weeks of camp, but since he’s been back, we’ve been impressed with him,” the veteran coordinator stated. “Hopefully he keeps developing and keeps performing like he has. We’re real optimistic about him.”In the draft process, Mims was viewed as a player that doesn’t need a lot of time to develop, which could help him take this opportunity and run with it as a rookie.Payton’s no stranger to having rookie receivers thrive. In New Orleans, both Michael Thomas and Marques Colston had 1,000-yard receivers as rookies. Mims could be the next player to join that list, especially with the mounting injuries in the receiver room.”
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Marvin Mims caught both targets for 51 yards in the Broncos’ preseason Week 3 game against the Rams, adding three yards on one carry.

Mims’ night would have been even larger should he not have been ruled down by contact at the 25 yard line on a deep reception early in the game. It was initially ruled a 75-yard touchdown but brought back after review. He also saw a carry and was schemed an early reception prior to his game-long catch. Mims should open the season as a starter in three-wide sets and could potentially even serve as a top two receiver pending the health of Jerry Jeudy. Regardless of snap rate, his contributions should immediately be felt over the deep areas of the field after posting a 20.0 yards per reception value or greater in two of three collegiate seasons.
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Matt Harmon
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Marvin Mims is going to open the season as a starter for Denver after a rocky offseason for that position group. There's a chance if he develops, he ends it established as the best WR on the roster. Some #ReceptionPerception positive Indicators on Mims...- 72.2% success rate vs. man coverage (similar range to Zay Flowers and Jordan Addison)- 72.7% contested catch rate combined with excellent vertical route success rate- Comps similarly to T.Y. Hilton and John BrownWhere he wins, where he can improve and everything you need to know:https://receptionperception.com/marvin-mims-2023-prospect-profile/
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I'm all the way in on this kid.

Got him in Scott Fish Bowl.
Got him in my $$ League.
Got him in my dynasty league that drafted last night.
Got him in 12/20 Best Ball Leagues on Underdog.

Not some strong flag plant as cheap as he was. But I'm a believer to say the least.
 
Yeah the runway is paved for him to take over. I just have a hard time deciding between Hackett vs Wilson on who was/is more idiotic (in their own ways). I'd really like to believe that Payton will turn this thing around. I absolutely would take him over Hackett by about as large of a margin as I can think of. Like I would pay somebody to take Hackett away. Here is a 3rd round pick give me Payton have a nice day.

But holy smokes Wilson is shockingly weird and I just don't know that he hasn't cracked over the last couple of years. I'm trying to divest of my last share of him in SuperFlex and there are zero nibbles. But you can't deny the upside of a Payton led offense with quite a few weapons. And of course Wilson is capable of bouncing back. So yeah Mims is a guy to get but I feel like I already missed the boat and anythought of getting him cheap is gone.
 
Chardo1 said:
All you want with a rookie WR is meaningful usage and a decent QB. Mims might be a starter week 1. He will have a real chance at earning a significant role.
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Beautiful late round pick in redraft and I am kicking myself for not being more aggressive in dynasty in the spring. Him and Reed were the bargains. I got Reed but should have pushed for Mims too. I think with both it will be a situation where if we redid the 23 rookie drafts in 8 months, they would be mid to late rd 1 picks.
 
Broncos WR Marvin Mims (hamstring) “has been on a full workload for the past three weeks.”
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Mims had injuries to both his hamstring this preseason, limiting him to two games. The rookie was cleared to start Denver’s preseason finale, where he had a pair of catches for 51 yards. Mims is healthy and has a path to early season targets with Jerry Jeudy (hamstring) likely to miss a few games. The Broncos are expected to start Mims opposite Courtland Sutton in Week 1.
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What are week thinking for week 1 expectations? Patrick out for the season, and Jeudy injured Mims could get off to a fast start as the Broncos potential version of Tyler Lockett. Payton traded up to get him in the draft. Could have a great year given the circumstances and his talent
 
I like Mims but I gotta see this Denver offense in regular season mode before I can make an accurate assessment. Payton is great, but if Russ is as cooked as he looked to be last year I don't really want any DEN pass catcher TBH.
 
DeaLerZ said:
What are week thinking for week 1 expectations? Patrick out for the season, and Jeudy injured Mims could get off to a fast start as the Broncos potential version of Tyler Lockett. Payton traded up to get him in the draft. Could have a great year given the circumstances and his talent
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IMO he's boom/bust.

With Jeudy out, Brandon Johnson likely to get the start at Z in 2-WR sets w/ Sutton at the full-time X. Payton likes his outside guys big and tall (bust)

Mims will be featured in 3-WR sets and Payton likely has a plethora of routes drawn up that no one has seen yet in preseason (boom)

Dulcich also likely to get his share of primary routes as the potentially new Joker role (bust)

Game one could easily be multiple blown coverages and potential Russ deep shots to a streaking Mims due to lack of film on the newly unveiled DEN offense (boom)

Payton will also look to make a statement establishing a running game identity so unless a shootout then passing game oppty's may be limited (bust)
 
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Stoneworker said:
DeaLerZ said:
What are week thinking for week 1 expectations? Patrick out for the season, and Jeudy injured Mims could get off to a fast start as the Broncos potential version of Tyler Lockett. Payton traded up to get him in the draft. Could have a great year given the circumstances and his talent
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IMO he's boom/bust.

With Jeudy out, Brandon Johnson likely to get the start at Z in 2-WR sets w/ Sutton at the full-time X. Payton likes his outside guys big and tall (bust)

Mims will be featured in 3-WR sets and Payton likely has a plethora of routes drawn up that no one has seen yet in preseason (boom)

Dulcich also likely to get his share of primary routes as the potentially new Joker role (bust)

Game one could easily be multiple blown coverages and potential Russ deep shots to a streaking Mims due to lack of film on the newly unveiled DEN offense (boom)

Payton will also look to make a statement establishing a running game identity so unless a shootout then passing game oppty's may be limited (bust)
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Just curious why do you think Dulcich will be a bust ?
 
DeaLerZ said:
Stoneworker said:
DeaLerZ said:
What are week thinking for week 1 expectations? Patrick out for the season, and Jeudy injured Mims could get off to a fast start as the Broncos potential version of Tyler Lockett. Payton traded up to get him in the draft. Could have a great year given the circumstances and his talent
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IMO he's boom/bust.

With Jeudy out, Brandon Johnson likely to get the start at Z in 2-WR sets w/ Sutton at the full-time X. Payton likes his outside guys big and tall (bust)

Mims will be featured in 3-WR sets and Payton likely has a plethora of routes drawn up that no one has seen yet in preseason (boom)

Dulcich also likely to get his share of primary routes as the potentially new Joker role (bust)

Game one could easily be multiple blown coverages and potential Russ deep shots to a streaking Mims due to lack of film on the newly unveiled DEN offense (boom)

Payton will also look to make a statement establishing a running game identity so unless a shootout then passing game oppty's may be limited (bust)
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Just curious why do you think Dulcich will be a bust ?
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Sorry. The boom/bust in parentheses is meant to convey the corresponding impact on Mims.

So I'm saying IMO there's a decent likelihood Dulcich has a breakout opener in a joker role vs the Raiders...and therefore that would have a corresponding negative impact on Mims.
 
Stoneworker said:
IMO he's boom/bust.

With Jeudy out, Brandon Johnson likely to get the start at Z in 2-WR sets w/ Sutton at the full-time X. Payton likes his outside guys big and tall (bust)

Mims will be featured in 3-WR sets and Payton likely has a plethora of routes drawn up that no one has seen yet in preseason (boom)
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This actually contradicts what I've read elsewhere that Mims will be used in 2 WR sets.

I'll try to find a link.
 
TripItUp said:
Stoneworker said:
IMO he's boom/bust.

With Jeudy out, Brandon Johnson likely to get the start at Z in 2-WR sets w/ Sutton at the full-time X. Payton likes his outside guys big and tall (bust)

Mims will be featured in 3-WR sets and Payton likely has a plethora of routes drawn up that no one has seen yet in preseason (boom)
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This actually contradicts what I've read elsewhere that Mims will be used in 2 WR sets.

I'll try to find a link.
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It's possible. The published depth charts are inconsistent. I know that the pre-Jeudy injury the plan was for Mims to be in the slot.

Mims was injured in OTA's and didn't return to TC until about August 1...so I'm personally skeptical he's been able to learn Jeudy's route tree and then get adequate reps w/ Wilson on top of his slot routes (as well as KR/PR duties) in so little time.

There's only 3 WR currently on the 53-man roster not counting Jeudy, so Broncos will likely bring at least one WR up from practice squad for the game (e.g. Dorsett, Humphrey). That might also offer a clue.
 
Marvin Mims caught both targets for nine yards in the Broncos’ Week 1 loss to the Raiders.

Mims worked downfield for a solid percentage of his snaps but was not targeted deep on a night the Broncos needed a deep presence. Even in the absence of Jerry Jeudy, Mims couldn’t carve out a significant role with the team instead rotating pass-catchers through the offense. 10 different players caught a pass from quarterback Russell Wilson and both Lil’Jordan Humphey and Phillip Dorsett, each of whom were elevated from the practice squad ahead of the game, were targeted. Mims will look improve upon his modest showing when the Bronco play host to the Commanders in Week 2.
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The Frankman said:
Marvin Mims caught both targets for nine yards in the Broncos’ Week 1 loss to the Raiders.

Mims worked downfield for a solid percentage of his snaps but was not targeted deep on a night the Broncos needed a deep presence. Even in the absence of Jerry Jeudy, Mims couldn’t carve out a significant role with the team instead rotating pass-catchers through the offense. 10 different players caught a pass from quarterback Russell Wilson and both Lil’Jordan Humphey and Phillip Dorsett, each of whom were elevated from the practice squad ahead of the game, were targeted. Mims will look improve upon his modest showing when the Bronco play host to the Commanders in Week 2.
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So much for the preseason hype an projected started opposite Sutton. He might carve out a role later in the year but he'll have to earn Payton trust.
 
Broncos WR Marvin Mims played on 16-of-66 snaps in the team’s Week 2 loss to the Commanders.

Mims is going to be a hot add off of waivers this week. The rookie receiver caught both of his targets and turned them into 113 receiving yards and one touchdown. However, fantasy managers adding Mims should temper expectations heading into Week 3. His 16 snaps ranked fifth amongst Broncos receivers behind Courtland Sutton (59), Jerry Jeudy (45), Brandon Johnson (30), and Lil’Jordan Humphrey (21). Mims’ big day should earn him more playing time in the near future, but Sean Payton has been slow at getting his second-round pick on the field.
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Broncos head coach Sean Payton said Marvin Mims’ playing time would be dictated by game flow and personnel groupings.

Mims played just 16 snaps in Week 2 against the Commanders and caught both of his targets for 113 yards and a touchdown, prompting questions about why Mims is not seeing more routes in targets in the Denver offense. The rookie has run a route on 17.3 percent of the team’s drop backs in two games. That spotty usage will likely continue, according to Payton and Broncos OC Joe Lombardi. “You don’t get to run all the plays, and the way the game script goes is just how the calls come out,” Lombardi said. "[Mims] is someone you’re counting on and he’s going to have a role every week. When his number gets called last week, those two plays, the defense cooperated with him to give him those big plays. He’ll have his opportunities every week, for sure.” Mims can be rostered in 12-team leagues but he’s not yet playable.
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Marvin Mims played on 15-of-62 snaps in the Broncos’ Week 3 loss to the Dolphins.

Mims will once again pop in the fantasy box score, but credit to Sean Payton for staying true to his word. Mims played on 16 snaps in Week 2 against the Commanders but caught 2-of-2 targets for 113 yards and a touchdown. Later in the week, Payton said he wouldn’t commit to giving Mims more snaps, and in a game his team lost 70-20, Payton ran his rookie receiver out for just 15 snaps on the day. Mims did score on a 99-yard kick return touchdown to bolster his fantasy day, but he’ll be hard to trust in fantasy until Payton realizes he’s sleeping on the team’s best receiver.
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On a team that needs playmakers, I wonder what they are waiting for. This isn’t Payton’s first rodeo so I don’t get the issue. Maybe he’s not ready for more yet?
 
Banger said:
On a team that needs playmakers, I wonder what they are waiting for. This isn’t Payton’s first rodeo so I don’t get the issue. Maybe he’s not ready for more yet?
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He’s only 21 and a rookie, I think he’s moving along faster than was anticipated. He will continue to get worked into the offense. A potential dynasty jackpot
 
Wigglytuff's Gruff said:
Based on what their defence told us yesterday, I think the Broncos are going to be passing a lot this season. Worth having this guy on your bench I'd say.
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Agree. At some point, Payton will decide to put his most dynamic receiver on the field for more than a quarter of the snaps.

I also wouldn't be shocked if they move Sutton or Jeudy before the trade deadline.
 
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