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WR Marquez Valdes-Scantling, BUF (1 Viewer)
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ATB
Footballguy
Maybe. But I don't think the team would have stood pat after Lazard's injury if so.
ATB
Footballguy
In part, absolutely. But he's in my lineup because I thought he could have a boom game with Adams out. Adams is such a target hog that Rodgers will be forced to spread it out more and I have to think the Packers are going to have to rely on the only decent receiver they have and run plays to get him open.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Lazard will be out for a while, Adams couldn't even suit up last night, how effective will he be next week?
Everyone will throw MVS away and then he will have something like 6-99-TD next week and everyone rolls their eyes and runs back to the waiver wire. It's hard to just cut him.
Everyone will throw MVS away and then he will have something like 6-99-TD next week and everyone rolls their eyes and runs back to the waiver wire. It's hard to just cut him.
ATB
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I suppose Rodgers might target him 13 or so times if no other option is available. I doubt it though, Rodgers knows he can't catch.
Its all well and good if he can get a free play with the hard count (how he scored his one TD so far) and Rodgers is very good at this cheese. The other cheese is throwing it at MVS and hope for a defensive penalty. Got about as good of odds of that happening as you do of him catching it.
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Judge Smails
Footballguy
He’s still terrible.
sho nuff
Footballguy
2 TDs doesn't hide the bad....
He really should be running almost nothing but deep balls to clear space and get a ball his way once in a while when coverage busts.
And when Lazard is back...see even less field time.
Mark Football
Footballguy
whole-show
Footballguy
MVS is active tonight
The Frankman
Footballguy
pghrob
Hail to the Chief
https://madison.com/wsj/sports/football/professional/having-grown-as-a-player-and-person-could-packers-marquez-valdes-scantling-be-in-for/article_fa884775-68c2-5867-a6d8-a90b83c0d138.html
Having grown as a player and person, could Packers’ Marquez Valdes-Scantling be in for a huge year?
JASON WILDE For the State Journal
Sep 3, 2021
JASON WILDE For the State Journal
GREEN BAY — Marquez Valdes-Scantling insisted that nothing has changed. He hasn’t altered his mentality. His confidence hasn’t skyrocketed. While he acknowledged that he’s grown a bit as a human being, he chalked that up to the passage of time, and nothing else.
As proof, here are a few of the things the Green Bay Packers No. 2 wide receiver said during a 15-minute Q&A session with reporters Thursday afternoon:
On what has changed for him this year: “Time. That’s about it. There’s not really anything past that. I’m still the same guy. I haven’t done anything different.”
On if he’s in a different place in his mental approach: “No, not necessarily. I would say, just want to keep getting better year in and year out, just keep growing as a player on and off the field. It’s not anything that I’ve done to say, ‘Yeah, I want to be a better player or better person.’
On how much his confidence has grown after his successes last season: “(It’s) the same as it’s always been — high. There’s no time where my confidence is low. Contrary to popular belief, my confidence is always high, no matter what’s going on, no matter if it’s a dropped ball or a missed block. ... So, anything that y’all say or my teammates say or anybody says, it won’t ever affect me because I probably already said it to myself 1,000 times. So it won’t ever have an effect on my confidence — ever.”
All of which was very interesting, since plenty of those who have been observing Valdes-Scantling and spending time with him on and off the field see him as vastly different than he’d been in the not-too-distant past.
For instance, when asked about the training camp Valdes-Scantling had this summer, quarterback Aaron Rodgers responded by saying: “You know, I don’t even want to talk about the receiver, I want to talk about the person. The person is in a way different head space. I think he is so settled mentally, very clear, very present. … He’s become a true professional. There were times a couple of years ago where we didn’t know if we could count on him because he was inconsistent in his practice habits and his daily habits. But that’s not the Marquez that I know now.”
Then, there was head coach Matt LaFleur’s observation: “I’ve seen a guy do a total 180. I don’t want to make it sound like he wasn’t a good practice player before ... but I would tell you from the moment he steps on that field, whether it’s in pre-practice in our stretching routine, I think he’s got a different mindset about it, and I think it’s translated to his play, his ability to produce consistently in practice. We’ve all seen the great flashes that he’s been able to show, and, because there’s some big time moments that he’s had. I just think that they’re happening much more consistently now, and I think that’s a credit to his approach and where he’s at mentally.”
And, finally, there was this, from wide receivers coach Jason Vrable, who spends more time with Valdes-Scantling than any other coach: “I think just his maturity overall, just he's grown as a human being, I think everyday he comes into this building, I just feel a purpose with him to get better. … I can't wait to see where this season takes him. The way his mindset is right now, I’m really excited about him.”
Rodgers is, too. The three-time NFL MVP hasn’t always seen what he wanted to see out of the speedy, talented Valdes-Scantling, but he’s clearly invested in MVS to a greater degree than ever before and has spoken glowingly about him repeatedly this summer. Rodgers even when so far as to visit the local Barnes & Noble bookstore on Oneida Street to not only support a brick-and-mortar bookshop in the age of Amazon but to pick up some required reading for MVS in his journey of self-improvement.
“Got him a little starter pack on some books I thought he would like,” Rodgers bragged. “He’s a way different person. He is very present, very professional. He’s a leader now in the room, he’s very comfortable with the scheme.
“I’m really, really proud of him. It’s not surprising to me that his growth on the field has really come with growth off the field. The word ‘maturity’ is probably overused at times — and maybe has a negative connotation, like there was some sort of immaturity before — but he definitely has a calm way about him now that he might not have had as a younger player.”
Valdes-Scantling reiterated Thursday what he’d said at the start of camp, that being an impending free agent won’t be a distraction to him at all this season. But there’s no denying that he has a chance to cash in big-time if he takes his big-play, down-the-field talents and adds more production on short and intermediate routes.
He resuscitated his career last year, going from losing the No. 2 receiver job and playing one singular snap in the 2019 NFC Championship Game to catching 33 passes for 690 yards and six touchdowns, leading the NFL in yards per catch (20.9) and catching four passes for 115 yards (including a 50-yard touchdown pass) in the Packers’ NFC Championship Game loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Well aware of his ability to take the top off opposing defenses, LaFleur, Vrable and offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett wanted to see marked improvement from him this summer in the rest of his game — and they have.
“He can run. A lot of people know that. I think for him, his precision in route running has improved dramatically,” Hackett said. “From the standpoint of a defense, what you’re going to do? If they’re afraid of him as a deep threat, they’ll play certain defenses that give him those more precision routes. But you’ve got to make that decision now: Are you going to take away the precision routes, or are you going to take away the deep ball?
“Him improving that world of his routes has been really exciting for us, and we’re excited to see the things we can do with him now that he’s added to his repertoire."
Having grown as a player and person, could Packers’ Marquez Valdes-Scantling be in for a huge year?
JASON WILDE For the State Journal
Sep 3, 2021
JASON WILDE For the State Journal
GREEN BAY — Marquez Valdes-Scantling insisted that nothing has changed. He hasn’t altered his mentality. His confidence hasn’t skyrocketed. While he acknowledged that he’s grown a bit as a human being, he chalked that up to the passage of time, and nothing else.
As proof, here are a few of the things the Green Bay Packers No. 2 wide receiver said during a 15-minute Q&A session with reporters Thursday afternoon:
On what has changed for him this year: “Time. That’s about it. There’s not really anything past that. I’m still the same guy. I haven’t done anything different.”
On if he’s in a different place in his mental approach: “No, not necessarily. I would say, just want to keep getting better year in and year out, just keep growing as a player on and off the field. It’s not anything that I’ve done to say, ‘Yeah, I want to be a better player or better person.’
On how much his confidence has grown after his successes last season: “(It’s) the same as it’s always been — high. There’s no time where my confidence is low. Contrary to popular belief, my confidence is always high, no matter what’s going on, no matter if it’s a dropped ball or a missed block. ... So, anything that y’all say or my teammates say or anybody says, it won’t ever affect me because I probably already said it to myself 1,000 times. So it won’t ever have an effect on my confidence — ever.”
All of which was very interesting, since plenty of those who have been observing Valdes-Scantling and spending time with him on and off the field see him as vastly different than he’d been in the not-too-distant past.
For instance, when asked about the training camp Valdes-Scantling had this summer, quarterback Aaron Rodgers responded by saying: “You know, I don’t even want to talk about the receiver, I want to talk about the person. The person is in a way different head space. I think he is so settled mentally, very clear, very present. … He’s become a true professional. There were times a couple of years ago where we didn’t know if we could count on him because he was inconsistent in his practice habits and his daily habits. But that’s not the Marquez that I know now.”
Then, there was head coach Matt LaFleur’s observation: “I’ve seen a guy do a total 180. I don’t want to make it sound like he wasn’t a good practice player before ... but I would tell you from the moment he steps on that field, whether it’s in pre-practice in our stretching routine, I think he’s got a different mindset about it, and I think it’s translated to his play, his ability to produce consistently in practice. We’ve all seen the great flashes that he’s been able to show, and, because there’s some big time moments that he’s had. I just think that they’re happening much more consistently now, and I think that’s a credit to his approach and where he’s at mentally.”
And, finally, there was this, from wide receivers coach Jason Vrable, who spends more time with Valdes-Scantling than any other coach: “I think just his maturity overall, just he's grown as a human being, I think everyday he comes into this building, I just feel a purpose with him to get better. … I can't wait to see where this season takes him. The way his mindset is right now, I’m really excited about him.”
Rodgers is, too. The three-time NFL MVP hasn’t always seen what he wanted to see out of the speedy, talented Valdes-Scantling, but he’s clearly invested in MVS to a greater degree than ever before and has spoken glowingly about him repeatedly this summer. Rodgers even when so far as to visit the local Barnes & Noble bookstore on Oneida Street to not only support a brick-and-mortar bookshop in the age of Amazon but to pick up some required reading for MVS in his journey of self-improvement.
“Got him a little starter pack on some books I thought he would like,” Rodgers bragged. “He’s a way different person. He is very present, very professional. He’s a leader now in the room, he’s very comfortable with the scheme.
“I’m really, really proud of him. It’s not surprising to me that his growth on the field has really come with growth off the field. The word ‘maturity’ is probably overused at times — and maybe has a negative connotation, like there was some sort of immaturity before — but he definitely has a calm way about him now that he might not have had as a younger player.”
Valdes-Scantling reiterated Thursday what he’d said at the start of camp, that being an impending free agent won’t be a distraction to him at all this season. But there’s no denying that he has a chance to cash in big-time if he takes his big-play, down-the-field talents and adds more production on short and intermediate routes.
He resuscitated his career last year, going from losing the No. 2 receiver job and playing one singular snap in the 2019 NFC Championship Game to catching 33 passes for 690 yards and six touchdowns, leading the NFL in yards per catch (20.9) and catching four passes for 115 yards (including a 50-yard touchdown pass) in the Packers’ NFC Championship Game loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Well aware of his ability to take the top off opposing defenses, LaFleur, Vrable and offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett wanted to see marked improvement from him this summer in the rest of his game — and they have.
“He can run. A lot of people know that. I think for him, his precision in route running has improved dramatically,” Hackett said. “From the standpoint of a defense, what you’re going to do? If they’re afraid of him as a deep threat, they’ll play certain defenses that give him those more precision routes. But you’ve got to make that decision now: Are you going to take away the precision routes, or are you going to take away the deep ball?
“Him improving that world of his routes has been really exciting for us, and we’re excited to see the things we can do with him now that he’s added to his repertoire."
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Hearing Rodgers say good things about him, that's a great development here.
The Frankman
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massraider
Footballguy
7 targets.
Buy buy buy
Buy buy buy
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The Frankman
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Stat Correction
Footballguy
He could get a long bomb....but being fresh off a bad hammy injury, I think Cobb is the better play tomorrow evening.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I like his upside tonight. But yes anxiously awaiting to hear if he will be active.
I imagine I don't need to remind people that this is one of the biggest matchups of the season so far. This is a playoff tiebreaker game between these two teams. GB has to be considered the longshot on the road without Adams, but both teams are going to want this game pretty bad. I don't see Rodgers throwing underneath stuff all night. MVS *does* get open but has terrible drops. And would be coming off the hammy and all. But I mean I'm not throwing Aiyuk out there. Antonio Brown is out. In one spot I am debating between MVS and Rondale Moore, who hasn't done much lately but Nuk might be limited. But in three other spots where I picked up MVS, it seems like a dream spot to me where I really have no other options worth a dang.
In one league I was down to Gabe Davis at WR2 or whoever I could get in a trade. Was offered AJ Green for one of my late 2nds but I don't want to do that. MVS > Gabe Davis in a landslide.
So yeah he will probably pull down 5 for 65 on 14 targets.
I imagine I don't need to remind people that this is one of the biggest matchups of the season so far. This is a playoff tiebreaker game between these two teams. GB has to be considered the longshot on the road without Adams, but both teams are going to want this game pretty bad. I don't see Rodgers throwing underneath stuff all night. MVS *does* get open but has terrible drops. And would be coming off the hammy and all. But I mean I'm not throwing Aiyuk out there. Antonio Brown is out. In one spot I am debating between MVS and Rondale Moore, who hasn't done much lately but Nuk might be limited. But in three other spots where I picked up MVS, it seems like a dream spot to me where I really have no other options worth a dang.
In one league I was down to Gabe Davis at WR2 or whoever I could get in a trade. Was offered AJ Green for one of my late 2nds but I don't want to do that. MVS > Gabe Davis in a landslide.
So yeah he will probably pull down 5 for 65 on 14 targets.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
$10 million a year? Don’t even think about it Detroit.
Don't even think about it anybody. He's not a good WR. Probably 10+ better WR's in this draft. He was barely decent with Aaron Rodgers throwing to him, and Davante Adams across from him. If he's any higher than 3rd on your WR depth chart, you are in trouble.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I think he will end up settling for a one year deal somewhere for quite a bit less than $10. There is no way that there is that kind of market for him.
I mean, I think the guy isn't very good, but he's probably worth more than $10.
But seriously, if a team wants a deep threat who can stress defenses, I'd MUCH rather go after a guy like Will Fuller. He's better than MVS in every way, and has actually shown the ability to be a #1 at times.
Especially coming off an injury plagued year, and a suspension the year before, Fuller is likely going to be the steal of FA if he can just stay on the field, and with how cheap he'll be, there is basically no risk in signing him.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Not sure there is no risk in signing a guy who cannot stay on the field, but I do agree the upside is exponentially better with Fuller vs. MVS. If stars align Fuller could be a home run. I could see KC taking a shot on him if affordable and he could transform that offense if he were to stay healthy.
I was looking at the WRs in this draft, and wondering how many I'd rather have than MVS. Not MVS at 10 million, but if they were the same price. I came up with at least 9, and a case for 16.
MVS is a #4 WR talent. He couldn't make it work with Aaron Rodgers, despite infinite chances to step up and be the #2. This might be the worst overpay of FA(at least at WR) so far, and that is saying a lot.
