James Washington caught 3-of-4 targets for 65 yards in the Steelers' Week 15 win over the Patriots.
A healthy scratch as recently as two weeks ago, Washington rebounded by setting new career highs in both receptions and yards in this must-win game. His play of the day was a 32-yard catch down the right sideline where he beat sticky coverage from Jason McCourty. The rookie will try to provide big plays for the Steelers down the stretch and in the postseason.
Dec 16 - 8:08 PM
Should seem so.If Juju can't go, is Washington the next in line?
Washington was considered by many to be the wr1 in this class. Stock soured on him due to his landing spot and he was thought of as a very long term investment.Amazing that with the Antonio Brown saga making it more and more likely he isn't on the Steelers next year that the James Washington thread hasn't received one bump.
Looks like the reason he hasn't been more hyped in the past is because of AB & Juju blocking him. Steelers are a WR factory and while I'm sure they bring someone else in through FA or draft, it looks like Washington would have a huge opportunity.
I like Washington also, but there was a serous lack of chemistry with Ben.Dr. Dan said:Washington was considered by many to be the wr1 in this class. Stock soured on him due to his landing spot and he was thought of as a very long term investment.
It's an almost certainty that AB is gone. Washington gets a HUGE bump. A massive number of targets that have to go somewhere
2019 is going to be a big year for Washington. Glad I own him everywhere.
I was actually considering shopping him as I need some immediate help at wr for 2019. Hes off my trade block now and I'm super excited about his potential. I'm guessing once AB is traded I'll get a number of offers for him in all of ly leagues.
yeah I'm curious how that works out with an entire off season. You're right though.I like Washington also, but there was a serous lack of chemistry with Ben.
Yeah, it's not there. Eli Rogers, even Hunter, stepped right in to have chemistry. Maybe he's all in-sync with Rudolph or Dobbs and that bothers Ben somehow? I don't knowI like Washington also, but there was a serous lack of chemistry with Ben.
Did you just keep reading the same glowing report over and over again?Washington was considered by many to be the wr1 in this class.
Washington was considered by at least one source I read to be the top wr prospect in this class prior to the draft.
funny guy. no. the fact didnt change from last august until January.Did you just keep reading the same glowing report over and over again?
Me pointing out that you are contributing bull#### is very valuable. It reminds others to take everything you spout with a grain of salt.funny guy. no. the fact didnt change from last august until January.
Thanks for your contribution to the discussion
not worth it when you come at me with such negativity. keep being excellent, sir.Me pointing out that you are contributing bull#### is very valuable. It reminds others to take everything you spout with a grain of salt.
If you would like to rebuff what I said, please tell us some of the "many" sources who ranked him as the best WR in this class.
I don’t see Washington as a possession slot type - his college game was a deep big play guy, which is why I thought he’d be a good fit in Pittsburgh.Yeah, it's not there. Eli Rogers, even Hunter, stepped right in to have chemistry. Maybe he's all in-sync with Rudolph or Dobbs and that bothers Ben somehow? I don't know
Washington is more possession type, slot WR guy. The Steelers haven't had many (any?) of those during Big Ben's time. Their WRs are usually big and fast and can always maybe hit a homerun. Maybe it's just a bad match?
Agreed... so is Ryan Switzer who should still be under contract.I don’t see Washington as a possession slot type - his college game was a deep big play guy, which is why I thought he’d be a good fit in Pittsburgh.
ETA: Eli Rogers is a slot guy - he did pretty well there a few years back before his injury.
If you disagree with something, say so. And the other person can say what they think and why. But please dial down the accusations like this. Thanks.tangfoot said:Me pointing out that you are contributing bull#### is very valuable. It reminds others to take everything you spout with a grain of salt.
If you would like to rebuff what I said, please tell us some of the "many" sources who ranked him as the best WR in this class.
He's allowed to completely dismiss the fact that I pointed out his Fake News declaration of "300 hamburgers, 1000 hamburgers, over 1000 hamburgers" but I'm over the line for pointing it out for what it is?If you disagree with something, say so. And the other person can say what they think and why. But please dial down the accusations like this. Thanks.
careful. dont want him to get triggered.Man it's quiet on this guy after the Brown trade. You would think the consensus top WR from last year's draft (sorry @tangfoot) would be getting more love here after a whole bunch of targets became available.
I think the Steelers are likely to pass a good deal less in 2019 than in 2018, but if Washington does indeed enter 2019 as a starter he should be very relevant.
Hopes remain high for Washington. He’s a serious professional who worked consistently hard at practices all the way back to OTAs and training camp, and he made a number of big plays and nice catches in practices to indicate he’s capable of much more than he showed during his rookie season.
I wouldnt blame anyone for selling. I sold Sutton for similar reasons. I'm holding Washington for now. I'm not at all worried about Moncrief. Moncrief just keeps JuJu in the slot. a lot of targets up for grabs. I cant see JuJu and Moncrief accounting for all of them.Super quiet in here. Personally I say sell now since I see him as a bust, Moncrief signing puts Washington at 4th in targets at best (or 3rd if you're optimistic about Washington and pessimistic about Moncrief), plus the heavy interest in likely a day 2 WR, writing is on the wall.
I'm constantly amazed by the lack of patience people have on this board with young WRs. So the rookie WR they draft this year is surely a better option than the rookie WR they drafted last year?Super quiet in here. Personally I say sell now since I see him as a bust, Moncrief signing puts Washington at 4th in targets at best (or 3rd if you're optimistic about Washington and pessimistic about Moncrief), plus the heavy interest in likely a day 2 WR, writing is on the wall.
I wasn't a fan of his last year. But I saw the thread and saw so little buzz about him so I came in to see what the deal was.I'm constantly amazed by the lack of patience people have on this board with young WRs. So the rookie WR they draft this year is surely a better option than the rookie WR they drafted last year?
But you're suggesting "sell now" and it would stand to reason that anyone who drafted him last year did like him as a prospect.I wasn't a fan of his last year.
I'm a Steelers fan and follow them closely, it seems very likely they take a WR early enough to add more speculation to Washington's outlook. If you want to be optimistic about Washington be my guest, and like you said, if you drafted him you probably are. I'm just saying how I see it panning out. They have Switzer but that's literally it after Washington so the cabinet is pretty bare. Sure you could see the Moncrief signing as depth behind Washington, but like I said, it's more competition from a competent WR who has had his own hype train. It's not just some depth add, Moncrief is a legit NFL WR (besides injury).But you're suggesting "sell now" and it would stand to reason that anyone who drafted him last year did like him as a prospect.
The rest of your analysis seems pretty speculative and forced. I mean Moncrief could reasonably be viewed as a depth signing or a flier type. It surely doesn't have to be any kind of tell as to what the Steelers think about Washington. Mock drafts are fun to look at but fairly meaningless (it seems a good lazy approach is to say "Brown is gone lest give Pitts a WR"). It's not like Pittsburgh's front office is putting out these mocks.
And I wouldn't argue that this year's WR class is well above last year's WR class but it's not like we're looking at Washington v. "the field" - we'd be looking at whoever Pittsburgh ends up taking, if they even do. I mean this is the same team that drafted Washington fairly early just last season after all.
The nicest thing I can say to that comment is that's bold.I've said it before that there are 6 or more guys I'd take in this class ahead of ANY WR from last years class.
I've been on this WR group for a while now and there were some disappointments with guys that returned to school, but I still believe it's an amazing class. It does lack that true #1 that has no warts to their game, but I'm very high on this class of WR's.The nicest thing I can say to that comment is that's bold.
Burress is only one of those WR's you listed that was not productive as a rookie, especially on a per target basis. All those other WR's displayed big time game as rookies. Burress was laughably bad. So maybe he turns the corner like Plax, or he could go the way of Limas Sweed, Sammie Coates or Wheaton. The Steelers are incredible at picking WR's but that's making people forget they bust on some as well.Steelers WR's have traditionally broken out in year 2. Burress, Holmes, Wallace, and JuJu all broke out in year 2. Washington may or may not be next, but Moncrief is of zero concern to me, a high drafted rookie might be, but Moncrief is just a body, who could easily end up behind Ryan Switzer in targets.
I get that you are high on this class but I can't get behind your thinking where you admit you don't see a true #1 but would still take the potential of 6 unknown and likely #2 WR's over what you've actually seen on the NFL field over guys like Ridley and DJ Moore. I would not even take 6 WR's in this class over Keke Coutee myself.I've been on this WR group for a while now and there were some disappointments with guys that returned to school, but I still believe it's an amazing class. It does lack that true #1 that has no warts to their game, but I'm very high on this class of WR's.
That's hindsight though. At this time last year the WR group was severely lacking. There were a few that touted DJ Moore or Ridley but I didn't see it. I actually like Gallup the best out of last year. And comparing the two classes before their NFL seasons, there are 6 WR's minimum I'd take over any of them from 2018. And since Washington was a little lower on my rankings, he'd be way behind this rookie group.I get that you are high on this class but I can't get behind your thinking where you admit you don't see a true #1 but would still take the potential of 6 unknown and likely #2 WR's over what you've actually seen on the NFL field over guys like Ridley and DJ Moore. I would not even take 6 WR's in this class over Keke Coutee myself.
So you are talking about how you ranked last years WR's as prospects, not players? In other words how you ranked this them this time last year? If so that makes a lot more sense but I can for sure say I'd have have had Moore and Ridley as my top two if they were in this class, and that's not a hindsight. After those the top 10 would have been a pretty even mix of this and last year's class.That's hindsight though. At this time last year the WR group was severely lacking. There were a few that touted DJ Moore or Ridley but I didn't see it. I actually like Gallup the best out of last year. And comparing the two classes before their NFL seasons, there are 6 WR's minimum I'd take over any of them from 2018. And since Washington was a little lower on my rankings, he'd be way behind this rookie group.
To clarify about my lack of true #1. I mean the guy with no warts to their game, there are WR's that can easily be a #1 WR for an NFL team, but there are question marks if they'll be truly elite or just above replacement. Just to use Harry as an example, his separation skills are lacking, but I still think he can be a #1 for a team. Same with 5 other guys that I feel the same way about.
I'll gladly trade you Coutee for the 1.01-1.08 this year.
If someone will give anyone the 1.01 - 1.08 for Coutee they should jump on it. Hell, I'd probably break my leg getting to the accept button.I'll gladly trade you Coutee for the 1.01-1.08 this year.
I'll be interested in seeing if Washington makes any progress from last year. He and Ben were not on the same page.I acquired Washington for cheap in part of a bigger deal. Not really sure if I want to keep him, but trade interest seems lukewarm at best. He is in that sort of no-man's land of probably being worth a late 1st/early 2nd. I say no-man's land because very few if any are probably willing to pay that, and if you own him then you are probably not wanting to sell him for that either. I'll probably hold and see what happens. But I absolutely expect the Steelers to draft another top WR or two. Why wouldn't they? It may be lazy analysis to say Brown is gone so they need more WRs, but Brown is gone so they need more WRs.
By connecting / on same page, I meant on the field connecting. I couldn't care less about the personal side of Ben and his relationship with receivers unless it affects play on the field.I have a few strongly interested in Washington but only low ball offers. IMO the "didnt connect with Big Ben" concerns are overblown, especially when you read reports that Ben is very standoffish and doesn't connect with anyone.
I wasn't that high on Washington last year either, most other rankings I saw had him much higher than I did.I wasn't a fan of his last year. But I saw the thread and saw so little buzz about him so I came in to see what the deal was.
I've said it before that there are 6 or more guys I'd take in this class ahead of ANY WR from last years class. I just see some signs that they might not believe he's the answer at WR2 for the Steelers. He struggled a lot last year, they're being mocked with WR usually in the 2nd or 3rd (roughly the same spot as Washington), and the signing of Moncrief who a lot of people still believe in. The writing is on the wall for competition at the very least, and I don't think he has the talent to ascend.
Boy, has the sport changed. We used to have to wait 3 years for a WR to breakout in the NFL before we called him a bust.Super quiet in here. Personally I say sell now since I see him as a bust, Moncrief signing puts Washington at 4th in targets at best (or 3rd if you're optimistic about Washington and pessimistic about Moncrief), plus the heavy interest in likely a day 2 WR, writing is on the wall.
In fairness I didn't say "he is a bust", I just don't see him being an integral part of that offense or for fantasy purposes startable in most cases, so I see his career being a bust in that way of thinking.Boy, has the sport changed. We used to have to wait 3 years for a WR to breakout in the NFL before we called him a bust.
You're all good. I'm just having fun. There's no guarantees with this guy, but I saw him go up and make contested catches. Big Ben loves heaving the ball downfield, if he can get 1-2 deep targets a game some value will follow.In fairness I didn't say "he is a bust", I just don't see him being an integral part of that offense or for fantasy purposes startable in most cases, so I see his career being a bust in that way of thinking.
I agree with this. In redraft, I don't know if he's draftable. In dynasty, it's practical to roster him, Moncrief, and the rookie.I'd be very surprised if Pittsburgh throws as much next year so they did last year. I think Washington still has a great opportunity to take the #2 role and have a nice number of targets, but he's got to beat out Moncrief and the guy they just took in the early 3rd, not to mention pass guys on the target totem pole they he feel behind last year, like Ryan Switzer. I don't think it's a given, and I don't think there will be available targets to make 2 of them good for fantasy.
First, you’re missing that 36 + 68 = 104Antonio Brown is vacating 168 targets in this offense.
I cant see JuJu getting a massive bump. The top target getter in 2018 was 170 (JuJu 166)
Washington had 38 last year. If he saw a bump up to 115-120 how does he not finish in the top 24 or 30 WRs?
"But Moncreif!" you say. well, even if Moncrief gets 100 targets (unlikely imo), and Washington inherits 68. that still puts him at 116.
What am I missing here?