DarkKnightsGuru
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Old Man Big Body nagging Injuries this guy is done.
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Time to Dump Gates! (1 Viewer)
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bulger2holt
Footballguy
i dropped him for Rudolph 2 weeks ago.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
and what do u plan on getting for him? During the off-season I traded him for DHB and I'm happy
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Swapped him with O.Daniels in a package deal a while back. Pretty shweet.
The Squeaky Wheel
Footballguy
Gates is old, fat, and slow.....he is a poor man's version of Marques Colston....
althepostman
Footballguy
Just traded Donald brown for him....taking candy from babies
Johnny Rock
Footballguy
Last week he's in there for me. Glad I was able to snag HMiller a few weeks ago. I never thought it would come to this after hearing he was in the best shape in years.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Brown's schedule opens up and it's damn near impossible to find a RB who gets 20 touches nowadays. Sadly, it seems like TEs of Gates's quality are a dime a dozen right now. Dare I say you'll regret this trade. Brown isn't nearly as bad as everyone makes him out to be.
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Nucker101
Footballguy
Agreed.
althepostman
Footballguy
I start gates as my wr3.... I'll take that all day
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Yep. He's now planted on my bench but the way he's played I don't even want to roster him. Looks like crap on the field.
So you like taking 0 to 8 points a week at your 3rd receiver spot.
JHuber77
Footballguy
His coach is Norv Turner, his GM is A.J. Smith and his QB is Philip Rivers.
ChargerPride
Footballguy
Rivers just isn't looking his way like he use too. They just need to get rid of Turner and this team will turn things around. Never like Turner and never will.
TheFootballJesus
Footballguy
What value would you possibly get for him?
Pretty much the worst case scenario for him, but I don't consider him droppable yet. He's earned a spot on my bench, but I wouldn't be surprised if he re-emerges
Pretty much the worst case scenario for him, but I don't consider him droppable yet. He's earned a spot on my bench, but I wouldn't be surprised if he re-emerges
THE SNOWMAN
Footballguy
I'd take an already dunked in milk Oreo cookie for him.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
Gb and Det do not play AFC W....
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
My mistake. Cle-KC-Tb-Den
I couldnt help but laugh at the play where Rivers and Gates threw up their hands in desperation for a penalty at the end of the game. It was a pass intended for Gates in the end zone. Generally, TE's look like molasses, but Gates looked like molasses cryogenically frozen next to Han Solo. Sad to see him hurt us, but he is done.
MCguidance
Footballguy
He was two plays away from a thread called, "Gates is still elite."
Is he on par with the current studs? No, but my guess is he will have enough value the rest of the way to make people regret dropping him.
Is he on par with the current studs? No, but my guess is he will have enough value the rest of the way to make people regret dropping him.
Shutout
Footballguy
I've got to be a little concerned when gates can't get any action in a shootout against the Saints.
I don't know enough to say what it IS, but I know what it isn't: It's not the same as it was and with the TEs in the league today, you can replace him at will. At this point, i think he is the classic "big Name" guy that leads you into mistakes because you play him based on his name, while leaving the Millers, Celeks, etc on the bench and all those guys you leave on the bench are every bit as likely to have better consistency at this point.
I don't know enough to say what it IS, but I know what it isn't: It's not the same as it was and with the TEs in the league today, you can replace him at will. At this point, i think he is the classic "big Name" guy that leads you into mistakes because you play him based on his name, while leaving the Millers, Celeks, etc on the bench and all those guys you leave on the bench are every bit as likely to have better consistency at this point.
steveski
Footballguy
This is the story every week. If this was week 2 or even 3, I'd still be on board. He'll be on my bench for as long as I can hang onto him, but I won't hesitate to dump him if I see someone of value on the waivers.
Rivers has looked much more inaccurate this year than he has in the past. The passes that he used to drop into Gates are now being overthrown by 5 yards.Gates definitely looks slow though...the only way he is getting separation is pushing off on the defender.
irish eyes
Footballguy
He isn't even as good as my WR 5 & 6 at this point and thats no joke. He is DONE!
Gandalf
Footballguy
Yeah too early to give up completely on him. That 40 yarder did not seem like interference to me. His night was better than the stats suggest.
Shutout
Footballguy
Unfortunately, the stats are the judge, jury, and executioner in fantasy.
battlestar
Footballguy
I know no one cares about my team, but i am sharing the following as a gauge of value.I picked up Rudolph in my 14 team ppr dynasty league this summer, however i have not yet started Rudolph over Gates, but my patience is wearing thin. I keep getting sucked in to "this is the week" and one of these weeks (possibly this week or next) i will make the move to Rudolph until Gates comes around, if at all.I put Gates on the block and the only offer i received was for Jacob Tamme, which i rejected. I figure for that price I might as well keep Gates to see if he comes back to relevance.
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And taking advantage of guys who overreact to non-stats is the key to finding good trade value. See: Witten, Jason two weeks ago.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Rivers arm does not look as strong as in the past. Last night his passes seemed to flutter at times. Gates does not look as fast or agile as in the past, seem the foot injuries have cause him to lose some speed and agility. Plus he looks really heavy. Time will tell but I am not liking the Rivers-Gates combo this year.
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silentmark
Footballguy
He is killing me 
Johnny Rock
Footballguy
To be clear I'm still holding, just not starting.
pghrob
Hail to the Chief
Coincidentally, I just made that exact trade in 14 team ppr. I am horribly thin at rb with Rudolph and Fred Davis as other TE options. I was excited to have Gates but did not have patience to wait on him with glaring needs at other positions and depth. The other guy needs a te real bad. Hope it works out well for both of us.
just_want_2_win
Footballguy
I had Gates on one team up until week 5. Because I had a vested interest, I watched him when I could.
Gates looks slow to me, despite the claims about him being "fast" and "moving better" than he had in a while.
In the 2 Charger games I've seen it felt like Rivers looking for Floyd much more, too. However, that wasn't really the case. Last night Floyd had 8 targets to Gates' 7, for example. On the season, Gates' weekly targets so far aren't breathtaking but not paltry either aside from week 4, when the whole Charger team wasn't pass happy: 8-dnp-7-3-7. Gates' receptions breakdown stands at 4-dnp-3-3-3. Best yardage game for him was week 4 with 59. Meanwhile Floyd's target totals are 6-8-9-3-8 and Floyd's reception totals are 4-6-3-2-5. Floyd's had two weeks with over 100 yard receiving, though.
It just seems like nothing is going right for Gates so far. Just last night, a ball was knocked out of his hands in end zone, there was a late-game penalty on him, etc.
I think Gates is worth holding as a backup if you can afford the roster spot. His upcoming schedule for is not bad. Hopefully you're not relying on him, though, at this point. He's just not doing much.
Gates looks slow to me, despite the claims about him being "fast" and "moving better" than he had in a while.
In the 2 Charger games I've seen it felt like Rivers looking for Floyd much more, too. However, that wasn't really the case. Last night Floyd had 8 targets to Gates' 7, for example. On the season, Gates' weekly targets so far aren't breathtaking but not paltry either aside from week 4, when the whole Charger team wasn't pass happy: 8-dnp-7-3-7. Gates' receptions breakdown stands at 4-dnp-3-3-3. Best yardage game for him was week 4 with 59. Meanwhile Floyd's target totals are 6-8-9-3-8 and Floyd's reception totals are 4-6-3-2-5. Floyd's had two weeks with over 100 yard receiving, though.
It just seems like nothing is going right for Gates so far. Just last night, a ball was knocked out of his hands in end zone, there was a late-game penalty on him, etc.
I think Gates is worth holding as a backup if you can afford the roster spot. His upcoming schedule for is not bad. Hopefully you're not relying on him, though, at this point. He's just not doing much.
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Shutout
Footballguy
True enough and I don't claim to know for certain where we are on this (to a degree that I would make a recommendation). But from the perspective of someone with no vested interests or biases with gates, he doesn't pass the eyeball test to me. I never watched him a lot; usually just when my FF game was in the balance and he was playing against me. In the past, he seemed dynamic and smooth and sudden. Last night, he seemed to lumber and, while he has "moves", they did not look like he was bursting into them. Before, he was like a rocket ship, defying gravity as he shifted suddenly and got into position. Now, he looks like he is affected by gravity and just sorta rolls into position. juct my take from the peanut gallery.'PhantomJB said:
Here are the FBG Top 12 TE recpt/yds stats for week 5. We all know that TDs are highly variable and Gates himself got a great look.
1. Graham 1/4
2. Gronk 4/35
3. Gonzo 13/123
4. V.D. 5/106
5. Gates 3/19
6. Bennett 3/30
7. Daniels MNF
8. Celek 3/9
9. Finley 3/11
10. Olsen 2/37
11. Rudolph 4/23
12. Pitta 3/22
Only two Top 12 TE's with > 50 yards.
Dudes need to get off the ledge and get some perspective.
1. Graham 1/4
2. Gronk 4/35
3. Gonzo 13/123
4. V.D. 5/106
5. Gates 3/19
6. Bennett 3/30
7. Daniels MNF
8. Celek 3/9
9. Finley 3/11
10. Olsen 2/37
11. Rudolph 4/23
12. Pitta 3/22
Only two Top 12 TE's with > 50 yards.
Dudes need to get off the ledge and get some perspective.
Floyd had a 23 yarder called back on a cheesy penalty, and dropped a 10-15 yarder that hit him in the hands. Gates is old and slow and has to be a hard decision to play, but in a league that combines WR/TE like ours, Gates is WW material and Floyd is money.
mythrilfox
Footballguy
obv people aren't reacting just because of this week. people are reacting because he's put up like 14 fantasy points over 4 weeks. his targets/game are low, his reception % is low, rivers looks inaccurate, and gates looks slow, though I've thought gates looked slow for a few years now and relies more on clever use of his bigass body/good hands/good route running to make plays as opposed to sheer speed.so, the chargers have played 4 of the worst defenses in the league so far and have put up decent numbers in those games, but vs. the only good defense (falcons), they put up 3 points. fortunately, they don't play many good defenses at all this year - ravens look like the only decent squad they play. so that shouldn't be much of an issue. however, it's still concerning that gates hasn't been an integral part in any of their games so far.right now I'd probably bench him for pitta/rudolph/celek types, esp if they have good matchups, but obviously don't drop him. that's completely ######ed. first, him and rivers will probably come around at some point. they've been killing together it for 8 years now with a slight recent dropoff... I don't see why that should change things to the point where you want to DROP him. second, even if that means nothing to you and you have no faith at all, there is no way he doesn't have some trade value.
ChargerPride
Footballguy
Do u think Keller is worth dropping Gates for. They said Keller will be back next week. Should I take my chances. I have Witten and Cook also
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Now, do this for all five weeks and get back on the ledge.
