I disagree with your solution.1.0 PPR is dumb. I like:
1.0 PPR for TEs
.75 for WRs
.5 for RBs.
Evens it out a little more.
That said, I agree that PPR is out of control. Even using my .5 scoring system, a RB should not get positive points for catching a screen pass that loses yardage.
By and large, that is true about TEs, but the true difference makers in real football become different makers in fantasy football as well. Guys like Gronk, Jordan Reed, Jimmy Graham (normally), etc.I disagree with your solution.
Ppr, by definition, arbitrarily awards moving the ball one way more than another.
Yards and TD's are what should be scored, and they should be scored the same for RB's, WR's, and TE's.
Yes, most TE's will score fewer fantasy points, but that is because most TE's are not as important to the offense as RB's and WR's.
The real football difference making TE's will still be difference making fantasy TE's without any PPR.By and large, that is true about TEs, but the true difference makers in real football become different makers in fantasy football as well. Guys like Gronk, Jordan Reed, Jimmy Graham (normally), etc.
I always find myself agreeing with you. PPR is the solution to a problem that no longer exists, yet people adopted it just as the league was changing, so credit it with improvements that actually result from the changing NFL landscape, and have improved standard leagues as well.I won't hide the fact that I believe the modern pass friendly rules have made PPR asinine, but what do the rest of you think?
So, if Gio has 30 rushing yards & 5 catches for 25 yards, and AP has 100 yards rushing, Gio should score more points?!?!PPR all day.
I understand the argument that it feels a little cheap to get an extra point from an RB on a short pass that goes nowhere, but it beats the alternative...hoping that your RB can find the end zone in order to have a productive day. I can see and respect the value in having a top passing-down back that hauls in six passes in a game just as much as I like to see the thumpers pound it at the goal line.
It is not like every team has a high-end, 3rd-down back anyway. So what if Gio, Woody, and Theo have some value in PPR that they wouldn't have in standard. They are fun to watch and own...which is kind of the main reason we play.
This guys gets it. Scoring system is arbitrary. Being able to better understand and take advantage of your scoring system is where success comes from.What difference does it make really? In whatever format you play, everyone is playing under the same rules. Yes, I've heard how, because it's a passing league now, that negative yards a WR or RB should not be offset by a point or half-point--but in the end everyone is playing under he same rules.
While I personally don't care because I excel under non-ppr or ppr, my league mates are so use to playing it they probably wouldn't be on board to getting rid of it.
Why not? Like I wrote, it is not like there are dozens of Gio Bernards out there. He plays an important real life role and PPR allows him to be important in fantasy as well.So, if Gio has 30 rushing yards & 5 catches for 25 yards, and AP has 100 yards rushing, Gio should score more points?!?!
I wonder if you understand that this isn't an objective measure. It's subjective and therefore somewhat arbitrary. Good luck defining "actual NFL value". Is that wins? Is that yards? Is that points? When you realize your personal definition comes from a gut feeling, then you might better understand that other people's opinions about what they like are just as valid as yours. Actually, I probably shouldn't direct that comment at you, but at the other neanderthals in this thread that think there's a definite right and wrong way to put together a scoring system.spider321 said:... in relation to those players' actual NFL value.
I understand that point, and agree with it to an extent.What difference does it make really? In whatever format you play, everyone is playing under the same rules. Yes, I've heard how, because it's a passing league now, that negative yards a WR or RB should not be offset by a point or half-point--but in the end everyone is playing under he same rules.
While I personally don't care because I excel under non-ppr or ppr, my league mates are so use to playing it they probably wouldn't be on board to getting rid of it.
Yes, everything is subjective, that's why I oppose arbitrarily rewarding receiving yards more than rushing yards.I wonder if you understand that this isn't an objective measure. It's subjective and therefore somewhat arbitrary. Good luck defining "actual NFL value". Is that wins? Is that yards? Is that points? When you realize your personal definition comes from a gut feeling, then you might better understand that other people's opinions about what they like are just as valid as yours. Actually, I probably shouldn't direct that comment at you, but at the other neanderthals in this thread that think there's a definite right and wrong way to put together a scoring system.
Not in the ppr league I run....a 100 yard rushing game = a 3 point bonus....plus we reward 0.1 point per carry on top of that.So, if Gio has 30 rushing yards & 5 catches for 25 yards, and AP has 100 yards rushing, Gio should score more points?!?!
So, 99 yards rushing and Gio still wins, right?Not in the ppr league I run....a 100 yard rushing game = a 3 point bonus....plus we reward 0.1 point per carry on top of that.
Yeah ok....the reality is just because you don't like a ppr league doesn't mean everyone does. Personally I would rather play in a ppr league then one where a goal line back can dominate a day because he got 3 td's that day on 4 carries. In my league's scoring system our top 10 ended up on a ppg basis:That is so "spawn of Satan" arbitrary and wrong, I don't even know where to begin.
Must bite tongue, must bite tongue, must bi..... OUCH!
8 RB's in the top 20.I did try to word my post more "nicely".
How many RB's finished in your league's top 10 in overall scoring?
How many in the top 20?
Forcing teams to over-value second rate WR's and check-down RB's is not the same as giving them "multiple options".
In ppg, or in actual points scored for the season?8 RB's in the top 20.
ppg because you can't predict injuries. So guys like Gurley, Bell and Charles would all have finished in the top 20 for sure had they not been hurt or suspended during the season.In ppg, or in actual points scored for the season?
TD's are production.I can't argue with people who prefer points per first down reception, but I think players should be rewarded for production. If a player caught a ball behind the line of scrimmage he did most of his job, you still subtract the negactive yardage.
I disagree.Pass attempts, carries, and receptions are not production.
Yardage is no more production then receptions or carries in real Football. The only thing that is considered production is td's, fg's, xp's and 2 pt conversions.....but who would want to play in a fantasy football league like that the only scores for those things?TD's are production.
Yards are production.
Pass attempts, carries, and receptions are not production.
If you believe that, there's nothing more for you and I to discuss.Yardage is no more production then receptions or carries in real Football.
3 rbs in top 10 1 point ppr and 0.25 a carryHow many RB's finished in your league's top 10 in overall scoring?
How many in the top 20?
You're making strong arguments to back your position. Well done.spider321 said:$20 says you're a millennial.
lol.You're making strong arguments to back your position. Well done.
Oh wait, I'm thinking of every other person in this thread. My bad.
I agree. That's why yardage should also be awarded with points.Waiting for your players to score a TD because that's the only way to put points on the board is boring.
This is an interesting variant. Any chance you could link your league so I could see how the players ended up ranking in that one?My league does not do a PPR; instead, a bonus of +1 for every ten yards (up to 50+) on the length of the TD score is awarded. This awards those "big play" players that can score from both far and near, so that a long TD score is worth more than a one-yard plunge into the end zone.
I think it's my gentle way of explaining my pov, and my charming personality, that invites the challenges.Interesting that while the bulk of the posts make it seem like it's "spider vs. the world," that "no ppr" is actually leading the poll. I find that surprising, since I had the notion that ppr had become the dominant setup.
It's a private league (you won't have access, so I PM'd you with the stats.This is an interesting variant. Any chance you could link your league so I could see how the players ended up ranking in that one?
Lol.Why does anyone care how other people score their leagues? Seems almost as bizarre as being obsessed about what nicknames other people use for players.
I agree with him and I'm no stalker. You have your opinion - great. It's bizarre how others aren't allowed to have theirs.Lol.
Nice of my stalker to show up.
Of course others are allowed to have their opinions.I agree with him and I'm no stalker. You have your opinion - great. It's bizarre how others aren't allowed to have theirs.
...so I guess I'm a Neanderthal, since I do think that ppr is most definitely the wrong way to put together a scoring system. :(
...but I do respect other people's right to be wrong.
Forcing teams to over-value second rate WR's and check-down RB's is not the same as giving them "multiple options".
Pass attempts, carries, and receptions are not production.
If you believe that, there's nothing more for you and I to discuss.
Good day, sir.
You haven't allowed one person to have their own opinion.Millennials do love overly complex solutions to fairness problems that don't exist, though.
Might explain why PPR is still around.
...and yet, they all still have them.You haven't allowed one person to have their own opinion.