Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
The media just goes too far too the point of nausea
Like a cool song they play so much you wind up hating it.
Like a cool song they play so much you wind up hating it.
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This JJ Watt love is getting tired (1 Viewer)
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
He's not as good as the announcers say. Jesus isn't as good as the announcers say Watt is
mad sweeney
Footballguy
To be fair, Jesus' arms were unusually short.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Jesus was primarily a return specialist.
His skills were very exaggerated in that department.
Hooper31
Footballguy
He led defensive lineman is sacks, solo tackles, and passes defended. It was the bold one there that surprised me. He had nearly 40% more tackles than the guy in second. I get that they put so much emphasis on the sacks, but solo tackles as well? Damn.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
And Watt batted it down at the line.
If there was a like button, I would hit it. Hilarious thread!
Ignoramus
Footballguy
ZWK
Footballguy
Perhaps you would rather ignore the mindless chatter and look at some cold, hard numbers.
For example, "Defeats" are a statistic kept by Football Outsiders, which count:
[*]turnovers (including fumbles recovered, fumbles forced, interceptions, and tipped passes leading to interceptions)
[*]tackles for a loss (including sacks)
[*]tackles or passes defensed that prevent conversion on third or fourth down
Before this year, the record for most defeats in a season (going back to 1991) was set by Ray Lewis in 1999, with 45 defeats.
How did J.J. Watt's season stack up?
+EPA is a statistic kept by Advanced NFL Stats, which adds up the value added on the successful plays that a defender makes. Stopping a RB for a one-yard gain on first & 10 from his own 20 is worth about 0.4 +EPA (because, on average, you'd expect a team with 2nd & 9 from its own 21 to score 0.4 points less tha a team with 1st & 10 from its own 20), while James Harrison's pick six from his own end zone in the Super Bowl was worth about 12 +EPA (near a two-touchdown swing).
Before this year, the record for most +EPA in a season (going back to 2000) was set by Ray Lewis in 2003, with 87.3 +EPA (that Lewis guy was pretty good).
How did J.J. Watt's season stack up?
For example, "Defeats" are a statistic kept by Football Outsiders, which count:
[*]turnovers (including fumbles recovered, fumbles forced, interceptions, and tipped passes leading to interceptions)
[*]tackles for a loss (including sacks)
[*]tackles or passes defensed that prevent conversion on third or fourth down
Before this year, the record for most defeats in a season (going back to 1991) was set by Ray Lewis in 1999, with 45 defeats.
How did J.J. Watt's season stack up?
+EPA is a statistic kept by Advanced NFL Stats, which adds up the value added on the successful plays that a defender makes. Stopping a RB for a one-yard gain on first & 10 from his own 20 is worth about 0.4 +EPA (because, on average, you'd expect a team with 2nd & 9 from its own 21 to score 0.4 points less tha a team with 1st & 10 from its own 20), while James Harrison's pick six from his own end zone in the Super Bowl was worth about 12 +EPA (near a two-touchdown swing).
Before this year, the record for most +EPA in a season (going back to 2000) was set by Ray Lewis in 2003, with 87.3 +EPA (that Lewis guy was pretty good).
How did J.J. Watt's season stack up?
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Everybody but the OP knows Watt is awesome and had one of the best defensive seasons ever. Not even worth arguing about.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
Plus he invented electricity.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Typical overhype. He only invented a way to measure it. Everyone knows Ben Franklin invented electricity right after he invented money.
goonsquad
Think different.
I didn't hear what he said but if he said the season Watt had was better than any season Smith had, I think you can make the case.
KingPrawn
Footballguy
Before or after piercing?
ninerfanatic492000
Footballguy
With an incredibly slow 40 time..........what it take 3 days? His hang time rivals MJ's however
Pipes
Footballguy
drummer
Footballguy
I see what you did there.
Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
I agree he is a great player and said so in post title.I just hate the John madden/ Brett favre as others have stated godly talk'PlasmaDogPlasma said:
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Abspara
Footballguy
Theres a bit of a difference between enjoying it and having it force fed to you every 5 minutes. I know the NFL LOVES its storylines, almost as much as the WWE, but yesterdays man crush on JJ SWATT was nauseating.I don't know about you guys, but when someone is having a historic season at a given position, I generally choose to enjoy being able to see it rather than find ways to year it down. But hey, different strokes.
Ignoramus
Footballguy
And today it's all about Luck and RG3...Why, NFL? Why do you force feed these stories to me?!?!I'm so nauseous right now!Theres a bit of a difference between enjoying it and having it force fed to you every 5 minutes. I know the NFL LOVES its storylines, almost as much as the WWE, but yesterdays man crush on JJ SWATT was nauseating.I don't know about you guys, but when someone is having a historic season at a given position, I generally choose to enjoy being able to see it rather than find ways to year it down. But hey, different strokes.
Pipes
Footballguy
It's no different then what happens with Brady, Rodgers, Manning, etc. The NFL promotes it's star players...shocking I know. I find it refreshing when it's not a QB the announcers slobber all over.Theres a bit of a difference between enjoying it and having it force fed to you every 5 minutes. I know the NFL LOVES its storylines, almost as much as the WWE, but yesterdays man crush on JJ SWATT was nauseating.I don't know about you guys, but when someone is having a historic season at a given position, I generally choose to enjoy being able to see it rather than find ways to year it down. But hey, different strokes.
It is an unavoidable fact that they're going to cream themselves talking about someone. Given that, I really think this is a best case scenario. He's not a d0ucher who wears peacoats and ugs to press conferences. He's not an ignorant thug. He's not a cocky buttwipe. He's a respectful, hard working fellow who lives up to the hype. As can be seen from those advanced statistics linked earlier, the guy just had probably the best season of any defensive player in recent history. Be glad you got to witness it and that it is JJ Watt that you are hearing about and not some selfish dolt who is ducking child support on half a dozen illegitimate kids...
For all we know you are 17 and had your first beer that night.
Borat
Footballguy
You jelly?
coolnerd
Footballguy
Unlike this year when we are still hearing about the jets' back-up QB, JJ Watt has earned overcoverage. I mean in AFC Wildacard game he was relative keep under control with 4 tackles, 1 sack, and 2 batted balls. that's great stat line for a 3-4 DE and it looked just meh for him.
Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
Nah he mirin brah
Negative. Just callin em like I see em.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Excellent posting
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