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The Oscars Do-Over: 1994 & 1995: Gump vs Pulp vs Shawshank and more (1 Viewer)

Best Picture of 1995

  • Heat

    Votes: 9 6.1%
  • Apollo 13

    Votes: 15 10.1%
  • Toy Story

    Votes: 34 23.0%
  • Braveheart

    Votes: 31 20.9%
  • Seven

    Votes: 19 12.8%
  • The Usual Suspects

    Votes: 40 27.0%

  • Total voters
    148
I have never seen Shawshank.  :bag:  

But I pretty much know the whole story from references and people talking about it.  Now I'm just trying to see how long I can go without actually watching it.  Oh, I own the movie in two different formats...
This is me with Forrest Gump

i plan to go to my grave having never watched it

 
1994 is a tough one.  Some classic films that have stood the test of time.  The Professional is a personal favorite of mine but it really came down to Pulp and Shawshank.  Went Pulp.  

As for the nominations, is it bad I haven't seen The Lion King?  You don't know how many of my ex girlfriends have chastised me for this.  Would have nominated Clerks instead.  

 
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A few folks called me Gump around here early on, when my stories touched unbelievability. But i in fact... 
👍

My votes:

Forest Gump for '94

The Usual Suspects for '95

I enjoyed both of these movies greatly - but the combination (two - two in one!) :

The Gump Suspects - starring wikkidpissah as himself... 

That's what I really voted for...in my fractured mind. 

Seriously, other than the previously mentioned Spacey issue, this was an easy vote for me. No drama to come over vote changing this time. 🎭

 
Has anyone watched The Usual Suspects or Seven recently? How do they hold up?
I saw The Usual Suspects about a year ago, roughly. 

And - again mention'n - the only thing that risked not holding up, imo, was the Spacey issue. 

In fact, I enjoyed it more than I suspected (DA da Ta) I would, considering that such a strong appeal of it hinges on surprising revelations. 

Got my vote. 

 
Also it is weird that Braveheart has been in 1st or just behind but nobody has posted about it yet.
I really liked this movie, although my vote was an easy choice. 

Also, it is always difficult for me to be objective in regards to movies like this. 

Fantasy and medieval - to this time period, sword and board styled flix hit too many of my own personal good-buttons for me to trust my opinions in regards to objectivity. 

 
I saw The Usual Suspects about a year ago, roughly. 

And - again mention'n - the only thing that risked not holding up, imo, was the Spacey issue. 

In fact, I enjoyed it more than I suspected (DA da Ta) I would, considering that such a strong appeal of it hinges on surprising revelations. 

Got my vote. 
I noticed you went with Reservoir Dogs and now Usual Suspects. Lots of similarities between the two. 

 
I saw The Usual Suspects about a year ago, roughly. 

And - again mention'n - the only thing that risked not holding up, imo, was the Spacey issue. 

In fact, I enjoyed it more than I suspected (DA da Ta) I would, considering that such a strong appeal of it hinges on surprising revelations. 

Got my vote. 
I noticed you went with Reservoir Dogs and now Usual Suspects. Lots of similarities between the two. 
Yeah - I noticed that too. And - when significantly out there - I have mixed the two up. :doh:

No QT involved this time - so - I don't have to wrestle with that particular aspect. Which is noice!

Ensemble cast of some hard hitters - check.

Unusual plot reveal techniques - check

Crime - check

I'm sure there is more - what do you think?

 
Yeah - I noticed that too. And - when significantly out there - I have mixed the two up. :doh:

No QT involved this time - so - I don't have to wrestle with that particular aspect. Which is noice!

Ensemble cast of some hard hitters - check.

Unusual plot reveal techniques - check

Crime - check

I'm sure there is more - what do you think?
Do not look up anything about the director of Usual Suspects then 

 
Could pick any of them really. Shawshank though is just close to perfect.....though they didn't need the final beach scene.

And went with Usual Suspects . Simply because it entertained all of my movie watching needs.

 
1994

Best Actor: Tom Hanks for  Forrest Gump

Best Actress: Andie MacDowell for Four Weddings and a Funeral 

Best Supporting Actor: Paul Schofield for Quiz Show

Best Supporting Actress: Uma Thurman for Pulp Fiction 

Best Director: Quentin Tarantino for Pulp Fiction 

Best Screenplay: Quentin Tarantino for Pulp Fiction 

1995

Best Actor:  Sean Penn for Dead Man Walking

Best Actress: Susan Sarandon for Dead Man Walking 

Best Supporting Actor: Kevin Spacey for The Usual Suspects

Best Supporting Actress: Kathleen Quinlan for Apollo 13

Best Director:  Ron Howard for Apollo 13

Best Screenplay: Michael Mann for Heat

 
1994, I had to to go Shawshank by a hair over Quiz Show, but those were the only two in consideration for me.  

Gump hasn't aged well for me, QTs acting + Bruce's girlfriend make Pulp too inconsistent for me to place with the great movies anymore.  

 
Didn't surprise me. I know his communitarian politics. If people would pay attention and listen to what he's saying, it wouldn't surprise one. I say that not as castigation, but out of love.  
That is actually an interesting concept: what does one's movie preferences say about their politics? How much of a connection is there?

 
That is actually an interesting concept: what does one's movie preferences say about their politics? How much of a connection is there?
Forrest Gump became a political movie when versed against the others. It became vogueish to see it as pro-Americana for some reason. Written by Winston Groom, largely about a philosopher's logic about American autism through an adult's eyes, it became a weird symbol of all that is wrong with film -- witness Tropic Thunder.  I read the book as a youth, and and the source material is so strong it survived the shift. But it wasn't a truly political film. It was an outlook about the world in the end. Gump was not an ill-deserving movie of the award, and a lot had to do with WInston Groom's strong young adult book about an autistic wunderkind. Groom made no money off of the movie, sadly. He agreed to net proceeds of the movie, which were written off. 

 
Forrest Gump became a political movie when versed against the others. It became vogueish to see it as pro-Americana for some reason. Written by Winston Groom, largely about a philosopher's logic about American autism through an adult's eyes, it became a weird symbol of all that is wrong with film -- witness Tropic Thunder.  I read the book as a youth, and and the source material is so strong it survived the shift. But it wasn't a truly political film. It was an outlook about the world in the end. Gump was not an ill-deserving movie of the award, and a lot had to do with WInston Groom's strong young adult book about an autistic wunderkind. Groom made no money off of the movie, sadly. He agreed to net proceeds of the movie, which were written off. 
Good stuff.  Political wasn't the right word. Outlook is better. 

 
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I am surprised at wikkid's vote for Gump for some reason. 
It is awfully simplistic seeming for my usual tastes. Having briefly become friends with the starin the early 80s, i was rooting to like it, so that's a factor. But i remember seeing it as well as i remember seeing any movie for some reason. the story of it is strange, which shouldn't surprise anyone....

I saw it in Reno with one of my whales. One of the side benefits of being a good racing handicapper (hi, @otb_lifer - derby trail isnt the same without you) is that rich people seek you out to pick for them and give you outrageous gifts, lots of drugs, take you on trips for doing so. I saw Forrest Gump with one of em, the most oddly rich guy i ever knew, and that's saying something.

Richard  was in his 50s, good-looking tanned, immaculately casual guy - like the British Baking Show guy - who'd been a beach bum most of his life then vroomp came into extraordinary wealth. He was a deepsea diver who noticed something on a casual dive in Fla, went to a professional treasure hunter and his find ended up being a Spanish galleon worth tens of millions of dollars. Richard got almost 8 figs out of it, gave it to a financial planner, went back to diving cuz he liked it. They had another good-size find, he took that money to his financial planner who told him, btw, he'd almost doubled the 1st money he gave him. "Cool" said Richard, and went back to diving. People started making fun of the diver worth $25mil who didn't even own a boat and lived in a one-bedroom apartment. Richard didn't like being made fun of so quit the biz and moved to Reno for some reason.

Richard sat down at my poker table one evening and the players had been talking about the Derby, which i had won a future bet on. Richard listens to our talk without saying a word, comes to me on a break and asks if i'd teach him how to handicap. Said sure, never thinking i'd see him again. The casino host was my best friend in town and asks me, "You know Richard?" "Richard who?" "The whale you were talking to" "Whale?! He was playing a $2-10 stud game. Some kind of whale" My pal tells me every casino in town is trying to get this guy, there's an 8-ball, maybe more in it if you rope him to us. Yeah, sure.

Richard found out where i played the horses and came to see me, i showed him the way i played, he didn't seem to get it, so i picked him some horses, they did pretty well, i find out at the end of the day that while i'd made a couple hundred bucks he'd made over 20K on my picks and thanks me by taking me to like a $500 dinner. I get a call later in the week, it's Richard (i never gave him my #, i never gave anybody my #) says, "Wanna go to the Belmont?" "I gotta work" "OK". Go to work that night, my boss tells me i'm off Belmont weekend cuz Richard told the Flamingo they could have his business if they gave me Belmont week off. Got to snort that 8ball on the job, too.  Worked out great cuz the Tony Awards are always the same weekend as the Belmont Stakes and my cousin was nominated for best choreographer and Richard & Mary & I got to party with him and fancy show folk, i got him in a Park Ave card game i knew about which he loved, we ate great, lived great, partied great, all on his dime, Richard even bought Scary Mary a powder blue cashmere sweater that cost over $1000 that was her greatest consolation on her real sick days and she died in it.

He took a house at DelMar that summer and called me every morning for my picks and flew us down twice. Flew me to Churchill for the Breeders Cup where we made a killing, i remember. He'd invite me over to this big house in the foothills that never had much furniture but always had 3-4 scantily-clad women (tower hookers and the odd amateur) padding around. He'd just sit in the sun, never talked much, didn't ask me to talk much, he'd go upstairs with one of his friends, another of his friends would asked me if i wanted to go upstairs. It was wonderfully weird, but i stopped going after awhile.

Anyway the movie. We played the horses one day, Richard made a lot of dough, took me to dinner, asked me if i wanna come over. Said no, he said movie? Sure. We went to see Gump, I was enjoying it, Jenny got mad at her house (my Mary was molested by her father), Jenny has a son without telling Forrest (i have a son i never got to hold) Jenny goes & dies (my Mary had already outlived her bone cancer prognosis). My eyes start welling up and, before you know it, i am sobbing uncontrollably, something i'd never done, wouldnt do in public. Richard put his arm around me the rest of the movie, never said a word (i LOVE people who dont talk) while i pulled myself together after the crowd had filed out, walked me across the street to a bar, put my favorite drink in front of me and sat beside me til i came around. He never asked why (at Mary's request, we had never told Richard that Mary was dying, the apparent reason behind my falling apart over frikkin Gump), never treated me differently, we had the same weird routine the rest of the year til he went to Florida to do some diving and we never heard from him again.

I've never told this story before, you can tell it hasn't been formulated for effect or everything, but that's my story of Gump. Don't say nuthin bad about Gump to me or i'll have Simey upperdeck you.

 
Flew me to Churchill for the Breeders Cup where we made a killing, i remember.
What year? Was this the same year as Gump?

If so, you was within a few hundred yards a me.

I bought my house in '93. I can see the horses run (just a small portion of track) from my front yard. From my upstairs window, I can see pretty much the whole race.

I just HAD to tell ya this, cause I figured you'd be real hyped by being near a MoCS. Not like ya had that kinda excitement in your life b4.

 
What year? Was this the same year as Gump?

If so, you was within a few hundred yards a me.

I bought my house in '93. I can see the horses run (just a small portion of track) from my front yard. From my upstairs window, I can see pretty much the whole race.

I just HAD to tell ya this, cause I figured you'd be real hyped by being near a MoCS. Not like ya had that kinda excitement in your life b4.
Yeah - it threatened to rain all week. I told Richard i had always had real good luck on vacations with the weather, so we went. The clouds loomed Friday, loomed even heavier Saturday, but i told him i'd hold it off with mindpower. We had a couple decent pays, but then keyed on a longshot in the Turf and won and even i made over a grand onnat, so Richard woulda made fitty, the Classic ran and as soon as they gave out the trophy, the skies opened up and didnt even ease the rest of the night. I could see Richard, who didn't talk much like i said, keep looking out the window, looking back at me and smiling like i actually could stop the weather with my mind. Fun weekend.

ETA: yeah, i already know you live across from the Downs

 
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Yeah - it threatened to rain all week. I told Richard i had always had real good luck on vacations with the weather, so we went. The clouds loomed Friday, loomed even heavier Saturday, but i told him i'd hold it off with mindpower. We had a couple decent pays, but then keyed on a longshot in the Turf and won and even i made over a grand onnat, so Richard woulda made fitty, the Classic ran and as soon as they gave out the trophy, the skies opened up and didnt even ease the rest of the night. I could see Richard, who didn't talk much like i said, keep looking out the window, looking back at me and smiling like i actually could stop the weather with my mind. Fun weekend.

ETA: yeah, i already know you lived across from the Downs
LOL! 

Reminds me of my Weather Bone story. 

I pulled the exact same shtick on a week end run with a biker gang I rode with - on and off - in the '90s. Never was a member, as all my bikes were cafe racers or track sports bikes. They didn't like that...

They were acquaint's via my best friend's Pop. He was a machinist/gunsmith that built bikes and guns in his garage. Both items were stock accouterments for the boys, & Frank had been supplin' em since the 60's.

I didn't fit in and loved to flaunt it. Go figure...right? 

Thus, I took along a deer femur and claimed I would control the weather. I played it totally straight faced - maintain' it still to this day. I even explained all bout the blue aura the bone was emitting...told em to stay back - too dangerous to be around for the uninitiated.

Oddly, bikers tend to be pretty acceptin' of madness. Tho, it did phase em enuff for my pleasure...thankfully.

It actually started raining early on. So, I pull me bone out and started dancing. Warnin' again about the blue light, I figured the jig was almost up, as it looked like the rain was here to stay. 

It stopped within 10 minutes. 

For accomplish'in the feat, I became the one & only Honda CBR Sporty to ever lead the pack. I stayed in the front-left for the rest of the trip...round 75 true bikes had to smell my rice burn'in for a few hundred miles. Ha.

I still have the bone. Don't work no more - it seems. Sad bout that. 

If ya come back, maybe the 2s of us could get it workin' again...added cranium juice & all that. 

Good times. 

 
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Oddly, bikers tend to be pretty acceptin' of madness.
HA!

I was tryin' to remember more over night...and found a good one.

The *ahem* treasurer of the club was a rabid...RABID...collector of G.I. Joe, Barbie & Ken, Cabbage Patch Kids, My Little Pony, Micro-naut, Tickle Me Elmo (Muppets), Easy Bake Oven, Pretty Patty and other assorted - yet essentially the same - "investments" for when the S hit the fan.

Ya see, when Helter Skelter came down fast, these toys would be VALUABLE!

Don't always believe Hollywood, my friends.

True bikers don't fund their high dollar habits by running guns & drugs.

Rather, they raid Toys-R-Us and peddle their wares in dark seedy places where grown men play tea-time and eat easy baked cannabis cookies.

#TRUTH

 
True bikers don't fund their high dollar habits by running guns & drugs.

Rather, they raid Toys-R-Us and peddle their wares in dark seedy places where grown men play tea-time and eat easy baked cannabis cookies.


Toy Story should be winning in a runaway IMO.


Dinsy...are you tryin' to F with my head?

Your face is preety dang straight.

EDIT: Upon further reflection, your Snoopy is kinda eye'in me all like ----- heh...what you think mudda fudda?

Or, is just time for my morning meds?

 
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Or, is just time for my morning meds?
Ask yourself one question - am i quoting myself? If the answer is yes, medicate accordingly
<thinkin>

- am i quoting myself?
<lookin-above>

<thinkin>

Looks like you quotin' me, wikkid.

So...answer = no?

Whewww.  ;)

But I like my meds anyways...so...we good.

Ah...you do realize what my meds are...right? 🙂

Now, back to movies.  I think that 80's mentioned it earlier, but it is really a tragedy that Leon: The Professional only has one vote. I understand why, as I did not vote for it either, but in any other year, I think it would swim better.

For example, I possibly would have chosen it over the majority of my previous votes: Resevoir Dogs, Groundhog Day and Miller's Crossing. 

This poll is really packed, and when we consider the things that have been cut/omitted, it amazes me.

By the time frames that these polls cover, I had already ceased going to theaters and/or making sure I stayed on top of things - including awards and such. I just rented sporadically, and never really considered the year of release or what kind of awards it got.

Thus, I am now really surprised to see the density here. But, I do recall 80's saying he expected things. Now I understand.

EDIT: Need to note, if I was asked which movies won "best picture" for these years, I could not answer. And, I think 80's may have even listed them above. Similar to how we all treat K, I never read his posts either.

 
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EDIT: Need to note, if I was asked which movies won "best picture" for these years, I could not answer. And, I think 80's may have even listed them above. Similar to how we all treat K, I never read his posts either.
Like the actual winners from the Academy? Not sure I did say but maybe should have

90- Dances with Wolves

91- Silence of the Lambs

92- Unforgiven

93- Schindler's List

94- Forrest Gump

95- Braveheart

 
Ilov80s said:
1994

Best Actor: Tom Hanks for  Forrest Gump

Best Actress: Andie MacDowell for Four Weddings and a Funeral 

Best Supporting Actor: Paul Schofield for Quiz Show

Best Supporting Actress: Uma Thurman for Pulp Fiction 

Best Director: Quentin Tarantino for Pulp Fiction 

Best Screenplay: Quentin Tarantino for Pulp Fiction 

1995

Best Actor:  Sean Penn for Dead Man Walking

Best Actress: Susan Sarandon for Dead Man Walking 

Best Supporting Actor: Kevin Spacey for The Usual Suspects

Best Supporting Actress: Kathleen Quinlan for Apollo 13

Best Director:  Ron Howard for Apollo 13

Best Screenplay: Michael Mann for Heat
Wait a second!  Dead Man Walking was 1995, and it also wasn't on your list of choices for Best Picture?   :hot:

Also, this.

 
Wait a second!  Dead Man Walking was 1995, and it also wasn't on your list of choices for Best Picture?   :hot:

Also, this.
Really nice link, krista. Good movie, too. Pro bono and innocence projects, like I've noted before, are just where it's at. Never should innocence be rewarded with the ultimate state decision. Just tragic.   

 
Wait a second!  Dead Man Walking was 1995, and it also wasn't on your list of choices for Best Picture?   :hot:

Also, this.
Link is either down or it's getting blocked at school. And I had to cut somewhere. Dead Man Walking and Leaving Las Vegas were casualties. 

 
Link is either down or it's getting blocked at school. And I had to cut somewhere. Dead Man Walking and Leaving Las Vegas were casualties. 
They shoulda smoodged those two together anyway and saved us two hours of grief - just make it a man sentenced to drink himself to death

 
Really nice link, krista. Good movie, too. Pro bono and innocence projects, like I've noted before, are just where it's at. Never should innocence be rewarded with the ultimate state decision. Just tragic.   
Thanks, GB.  Hey, it's almost like a political(-ish) issue you and I agree on!   :)  

My dad, who was the most altruist person I've ever known, was very proud of the work I was doing.  He and my stepmother went to a talk by Sister Helen, and he told her about it and asked her to sign that book.  I don't care if I have a book signed by her, but I care very much that what my dad told her about me caused her to sign it that way.   :heart:  

 
Thanks, GB.  Hey, it's almost like a political(-ish) issue you and I agree on!   :)  

My dad, who was the most altruist person I've ever known, was very proud of the work I was doing.  He and my stepmother went to a talk by Sister Helen, and he told her about it and asked her to sign that book.  I don't care if I have a book signed by her, but I care very much that what my dad told her about me caused her to sign it that way.   :heart:  
As far as the bolded, it may be few and far between, but we agree on way more than you think, my friend. I sit here in the ether, just taking it in and responding when it happens. 

Jeez, that last clause -- about your Dad and your work -- is great and probably saved somebody's life. Awesome. 

 
Link is either down or it's getting blocked at school. And I had to cut somewhere. Dead Man Walking and Leaving Las Vegas were casualties. 
Mostly I wanted to give you ####.  That year is tough.  To me it's a lot of very good movies but not any great ones, other than Toy Story perhaps.  I think Dead Man Walking was in the "very good" category.

 
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As far as the bolded, it may be few and far between, but we agree on way more than you think, my friend. I sit here in the ether, just taking it in and responding when it happens.
This.

While rock and I are solid brothers, about the only thing we agree on, is how cool I am.

So...I guess he ain't always wrong.

EDIT: Oh, we also both agree that he is weird.

We Cut Like a Buffalo

 
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