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Stephen Hill (WR) - CAR (4 Viewers)
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cstu
Footballguy
JFS171
Footballguy
Honestly I'm pretty thrilled Carolina signed him... my guess is he's on the practice squad because they can get away with it due to the lack of interest in Hill. Once he's learned the playbook and worked with Proehl a bit, I'd bet he's brought up... whether in place of another WR or in addition to the current corps.
I said it before about Bersin, but the same applies to Hill -- Avant and Cotchery aren't Everest to climb on the depth chart. Get on the active roster, get your head screwed on, and take advantage of the natural talent.
I'm definitely willing to roll the dice that the NYJ didn't develop him properly... maybe Ricky Proehl can.
I said it before about Bersin, but the same applies to Hill -- Avant and Cotchery aren't Everest to climb on the depth chart. Get on the active roster, get your head screwed on, and take advantage of the natural talent.
I'm definitely willing to roll the dice that the NYJ didn't develop him properly... maybe Ricky Proehl can.
pantherclub
Footballguy
except that he cannot catch, he couldnt in college and he hasnt yet in the pros. Catching is really not a trait that one can acquire later in his career.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
I agree. He's hand stone hands forever, and always will.
NCCommish
Footballguy
When you look at film the majority of his pro drops are borderline his fault at best. He did have a couple of big drops but he was 38th in the league amongst qualifying receivers when it came to drops overall his last season IIRC.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Hill just seemed like the classic talented WR in the wrong situation. He's going to do well in Carolina with big Cam tossing him the ball up high.
Bruce Hammond
Footballguy
Hard to say if Hill was poorly coached up by a poor staff, or over-drafted by a poor GM, or both. I guess a little of both.
You mention Torrey Smith. Hill was actually taken earlier (2/43 in '12 v 2/58 in '11). It would be nice to see him at least play a role and not be a total bust.
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As a Panther fan, I'd be happy with being a contributor. I wouldn't expect anything FF wise, but NFL wise, it would be great to see him play. His size and speed can't be coached, so if they can improve his receiving skills, adding him to Benjamin, Funchess and Olsen gives Cam 4 targets at 6'4"+. Right now, IMHO, lots of fluff, so until I see him contribute in pre-season, it's just a feel good story.
Sweet Love
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I will say his WR coach while with the Jets was Sanjay Lal. He was the WR coach of the Raiders between 2009-2012, and "groomed" the likes of Chaz Schilens, Jacoby Ford, Louis Murphy, Denarius Moore and Darrius Heyward-Bey. Not one of those guys lived up to their billing. In fact, besides a couple of decent years from Kerley, I don't see any player he has coached thrive under his direction. Now, it could be these guys were a bunch of busts, BUT, I would not say Hill was given the opportunity with a great coach.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Hmm. Not sure what to think about it. Panthers now seem to have an abundance of receiving talent after it seemed like they had very little after Benjamin went down last year. But nobody seems to have a lock on WR2 there so training camp and preseason will probably decide it. Ginn had a big role last year and some think he could be gone if the younger guys step up.
In camp, it sounds like Funchess is now their #1. Benjamin will be their #1 when he's 100% ready to go in training camp, but one report said that Funchess looks better. I'll believe it when I see it, but I think those two are the top dogs. That said, I think people have been talking about Funchess as the slot, so the outside spot that Ginn held is the spot that is up for grabs. I want to go to training camp with my boys, so I will be keeping an eye on it.
That said, with Benjamin/Hill back and from the reports/progress of Funchess/Brown at the end of last year, you are correct that they appear deep at WR. Pretty much the opposite of what we thought last year after Benjamin went down. Damiere Byrd, 2nd year speedster (4.28 at 2015 pro day on grass - slower than turf) has also bulked up this year and been impressive in OTAs. Can't forget Ginn either. Yes, lots of drops but he got open all over the field and was timed with the fastest play in the NFL last year.
Going to be interesting to see who they put on the roster, who they put on the practice squad and who they cut.
Fox Scream
Footballguy
I'm guessing they're grooming him to be Ted Ginn v2.0 once he finally loses his burst?
If not, like others have said. Crowded receiving core.
If not, like others have said. Crowded receiving core.
Amazing the difference in one year. I'd love to see Hill beat out Ginn. Hill may not be as fast as Ginn but with a 4.36 combine, he's very fast. Having 3 6'4"-6'5" WRs and a 6'5" TE should make it easy for Cam to find the open guy.
JFS171
Footballguy
Hill's a guy you really want to pull for. I know he was a bust in NY... I wonder how much of that was on Hill and how much was a bad situation. Either way, I trust in Ricky Proehl. If Proehl was that high on Hill last year... man, you just hope he can get healthy and get back on the field.
Those are three big dudes to go with Olsen. The WR versions of Hog Mollies.
Those are three big dudes to go with Olsen. The WR versions of Hog Mollies.
Whether or not he has an actual impact on the team I don't know, but I don't think it is just camp hype. He got hyped last year before the ACL tear. If it was just camp hype, I don't think he would even be at training camp this year. All the WRs from last year are still here with the exception being Cotchery, whose slot is back to Benjamin. Add in Byrd, Norwood who we traded for last year, the rookie Garrett and the other camp bodies and I don't think we'd be bothering with Hill for a second year if they didn't actually see some potential in him last year and this year.
He still just turned 25 in April so he's only @ 1 1/2 years older than Josh Doctson and he's a couple weeks younger than Josh Gordon. Maybe the GTech scheme plus Rex Ryan, who isn't exactly known for developing WRs didn't help him progress. Demaryius Thomas came from GTech and while he became a stud, his first two years were 22-283-2TDs and 32-551-4TDs. Hill was 21-252-3TDs and 24-342-1TD.
In no way am I saying he is close to DT in any way, but would it shock me to think he wasn't developed the way DT was and that Rex Ryan isn't the coach you want as a young WR. In 2009-2013, Ryan's best WR was Braylon Edwards with just over 900 yards. In 2014/2015 without Rex, Decker has had 2 seasons better than any Rex Ryan Jets WR and Brandon Marshall had 67% more yards than the best Rex Ryan WR. The best WR for Rex in NY has been different almost every year from Cotchery, Edwards, Keller, Holmes and Kerley.
Anyway, I just think it is a little early to bury Hill since he was going to struggle coming from the GTech offense (like DT struggled until year 3) and having a coaching staff that hadn't developed any WRs in 5 years at the Jets.
