Sleeper Alert: Rob Kelley - RB - WAS (3 Viewers)

[Eminence]

At my own peril? What is this, the 1600s? Who talks like that? 

Let's see, in PPR with 2 RB, 3 WR & 1 Flex I've got DJohnson & Freeman starting with Woodhead, at flex & Gore on the bench (with Lockett, Snead, Wheaton & Powell as fleet options). 

to add captain peril, AKA Kelly, I'd have to drop someone like Powell or McKinnon, both of whom I think would be more valuable than Kelly if Forte or AP go down or are ineffective. 

So yeah - not seeing the great peril here. 

But I do agree that in deeper leagues or leagues (14-16-18 team) with deeper benches, Kelly is a decent speculative add. But probably not a lot more, and certainly not a must-add in all formats. 

I could be wrong - and hey, I'll be the first to admit it if Kelly blows up.

I could see the tone of this changing if it were week 7 and several starters were out & Jones got hurt, so folks were desperate for a RB, but it's week 3 of the preseason - if you're desperate for Kelly right now, you're either in a 16 team league or you drafted horribly. 

Cheers.

"Well, let me have just a little bit of peril?"

- Sir Galahad, MP&tHG

Everybody's team is different man. I'm not telling you to drop anyone for him if you're stacked at RB.

But you could do worse than taking a guy who's #1 on the depth chart of a team who passes a ton from a college team that runs a spread offense.

Am I starting him anywhere week 1? Hell no. Would I like him as an option weeks 2-3 if Jones misses extended time? Yes.

There's nothing that leads me to believe he couldn't put up 3.4 yards per carry like Jones did last year.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Everybody's team is different man. I'm not telling you to drop anyone for him if you're stacked at RB.

You told me I'd be in peril for not adding him. is there some other type of peril I'm not familiar with?  

I'm not disagreeing that he will have value if he gets 20 carries. I don't think anyone would ever argue that about any player. Heck, he'd probably have value of he gets 14 carries.

But he's not a must add in all formats as stated in the original post.  12 teams or less I'm not sure he's rosterable unless 1. You're the Matt Jones owner, and 2. You have enough of a bench to roster them both.

if you added him, I wish you luck and I sincerely hope that I'll be back here in a couple weeks eating crow.  

 

[(HULK)]

If only I won the lottery as much as these types of lotto tickets hit.

He's more like a BINGO card at the senior center then.

 

[Funkley]

I'm buying Jones as my RB 3 or 4 in my leagues.

 

[Dismattle]

You told me I'd be in peril for not adding him. is there some other type of peril I'm not familiar with?  

I'm not disagreeing that he will have value if he gets 20 carries. I don't think anyone would ever argue that about any player. Heck, he'd probably have value of he gets 14 carries.

But he's not a must add in all formats as stated in the original post.  12 teams or less I'm not sure he's rosterable unless 1. You're the Matt Jones owner, and 2. You have enough of a bench to roster them both.

if you added him, I wish you luck and I sincerely hope that I'll be back here in a couple weeks eating crow.  

It is good to question posts stating opinions as facts..  ex.  "Guys gonna take the job and not quit"

So anyway   As you may or may not know?  There is only so many high value additions post draft.  The timing of not having played a single game yet, increases the potential points.

Injuries suspensions coaching changes (game evolving)   All sorts of things can dash ones hopes of two STUD RB's taken in the draft leading the way to the Chamionship..

Alot of posts youll read in the Forums more or less involve the premise/idea that were talking a competitive League.. 

Basically this could be one of maybe upwards of five additions that you may wind up wishing you had entertained.. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

He's more like a BINGO card at the senior center then.

Don't knock it - those are my best fantasy leagues. I own those fools - they don't even know how to use the remote control, much less the Internet. 

 

[mr roboto]

Watching that highlight video I am very unimpressed. He seems to simply crash into people and doesn't really make anybody miss. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Basically this could be one of maybe upwards of five additions that you may wind up wishing you had entertained.. 

Somehow I'll just have to find a way to sleep at night having missed this golden opportunity.

man, first I was gonna be in peril, now this. 

Matt Jones is expected to play week one.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2016/8/29/12696970/matt-jones-injury-fantasy-football-washington?client=safari

And even if he doesn't, I don't need a RB for week 1.  And if I did, there are better options. 

If you need a RB for week 1, and Kelly is your shining knight, you probably need to draft better. 

 I've played this game for a long time. I'm familiar with the concept of picking up a backup RB when starters go down with significant injury or lose their jobs to a talented backup. 

But to date, Jones hasn't lost his job and Kelly just ain't that talented. And as others have shown, the Redskins run game isn't all that worth investing in to begin with.

And IF he gets the job, he's not a "high value addition". He might (*might*) bring modest RB2 value if you're very lucky and he shows more than he has to date, and they don't bring in a RB and tney don't employ a RBBC of some sort.

But thanks for the suggestion. Good luck with that, and I surely hope my life isn't filled with regret for not dropping a valuable bench player to add Kelly. 

 

[Dismattle]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/pb/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2016/08/26/redskins-rookies-fat-rob-nickname-isnt-all-about-weight/?outputType=accessibility&nid=menu_nav_accessibilityforscreenreader

While at least we have a nickname for the guy  'Fat Rob'    I liked this part.. " He didn’t have a stellar senior year, but even though he was the third-string running back on the depth chart, he was always the leader of that room. "

It sounds like Rob may be doing okay, but it also looks like we aint seen his best..

 

[nittanylion]

Kelley is likely a JAG, at best. Chris Thompson was held out of the 'dress rehearsal' on purpose, because it wasn't necessary to put him in harm's way, and by now it's been pretty well written that Rex Ryan didn't play that game the way it's typically played - I was there, and the Bills were playing 2nd and 3rd team defenders in early. I watched at least the 1st half of every Week 3 game, and Buffalo was definitely on a different page than pretty much any other Team in the League. Sure, the situation appears to be textbook, but in reality, the Redskins running game is going to be an extension of the passing game this year, if Jones is available, he'll split snaps with Thompson, if he's not, they'll throw even more and Thompson will be on the field a ton, and between JAG talent, and the fact that when anyone other than Jones/Thompson are on the field, it'll be fairly easy to diagnose what the Redskins are planning on doing, neither Mack Brown or Kelley are going to amount to much, I think...and there's a strong likelihood that if Jones isn't ready, they'll be paying Pierre Thomas to come in, and if they do that, he's going to get plenty of touches himself, further shrinking the pie. In my opinion, this is a 'move along, these aren't the droids we're looking for' scenario...

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I expected to come into this thread and see people saying "well yeah...duh".  I'm very surprised that the tone is instead heavy opposition to the idea of even rostering the guy.

Kelly would have been worth rostering behind maybe the weakest "starting" RB in the league even without Jones' injury.  With it, and with Kelly possibly even starting week 1 himself, it's a no brainer.  Look at how much people were talking about 7th round pick Keith Marshall almost solely because of the weak competition in front of him.  Now we have Kelly as a guy who's draft stock was only marginally worse, but also outplayed and beat out Marshall for the job, AND now has seen injuries to both Jones and Marshall around him giving him a much clearer path to the job than Marshall ever had, yet people don't even think he's worth a roster spot?

No one is saying draft the guy in the 5th round, but yeah a potential week 1 starting RB with weak and injured RB competition around him certainly has some value in modern FF.  People are still rostering Terrance West and Bilal Powell for goodness sake.  In what world are those guys better tickets to a potential starting RB than Kelly?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I expected to come into this thread and see people saying "well yeah...duh".  I'm very surprised that the tone is instead heavy opposition to the idea of even rostering the guy.

Kelly would have been worth rostering behind maybe the weakest "starting" RB in the league even without Jones' injury.  With it, and with Kelly possibly even starting week 1 himself, it's a no brainer.  Look at how much people were talking about 7th round pick Keith Marshall almost solely because of the weak competition in front of him.  Now we have Kelly as a guy who's draft stock was only marginally worse, but also outplayed and beat out Marshall for the job, AND now has seen injuries to both Jones and Marshall around him giving him a much clearer path to the job than Marshall ever had, yet people don't even think he's worth a roster spot?

No one is saying draft the guy in the 5th round, but yeah a potential week 1 starting RB with weak and injured RB competition around him certainly has some value in modern FF.  People are still rostering Terrance West and Bilal Powell for goodness sake.  In what world are those guys better tickets to a potential starting RB than Kelly?

Seriously?

Bilil Powell is going to get 10-15 touches a game "behind" (in a timeshare with) an aging & recently ineffective Forte. He has weekly value now, and his stock only improves with Forte's chances of staying on the field being low. 

Kelly is a bench warmer JAG who might or might not get the starting gig IF Jones misses time, which at this point is sounds like he's not going to. And his stock only gets worse with Jones return to health. 

And (again) it's week 3 of the preseason - if you're already so desperate for a RB in week 1 that Kelly is your best option, and moreover if you actually have someone LESS valuable than Kelly on your roster that you're willing to drop for him, then perhaps fantasy golf is more your speed.

because most of us just drafted and consider the players on our rosters to be worth holding on to until, you know, an actual game has been played.

in 14-16-18 team leagues and/or leagues with deep benches, go ahead and take a flier.

but to call Kelly a "must add in all formats" is preposterous at this time, given his iffy status, role and talent.

I don't see anyone being overtly negative - just realistic.

While you're shocked by the resistance to adding him, I'm perplexed by the banging of the drum to add a 2nd, possibly 3rd string scrub who's never shown anything worthy of such optimism. 

Opportunity = points, I know. Right now Kelly's got neither. When that changes maybe we can revisit. 

 

[HairySasquatch]

I like to churn the last couple of roster spots on my team.  It allows me to pick up the Rob Kelley's of the world.  If he pans out, awesome for me.  If not, pick up the next guy getting some buzz.  If you wait for Kelley to show something before picking him up, in most leagues it will be too late.  

The only reason not to pick him up is if you don't have the extra spot on your roster.  If you already have players you like better (players who will out produce the RB1 out of Washington or players who you think are better lottery tickets), then you are in good shape and don't need Kelley.  

 

[ex-ghost]

Rumor is Marshall is headed to IR. 

Could be good/bad. More PT for Kelley, but also another huge reason to bring in a vet.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

an aging injury prone Forte. He has weekly value now, and his stock only improves with Forte's chances of staying on the field being low. 

I agree with the general premise of your post, but I just want to come to Forte's defense a little here. He surely is aging, but I'm not sure why he gets the injury probe label (and I see that often) as he's actually been much more durable than most NFL backs. He's missed 8 games in 8 full seasons (all of which he's been a starting back). He played a full 16 games in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2013 and 2014 and played 15 games in 2012. I do think he's going to give way to Powell often this season but I don't necessarily see his chances of missing games being any higher than any other RB.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I agree with the general premise of your post, but I just want to come to Forte's defense a little here. He surely is aging, but I'm not sure why he gets the injury probe label (and I see that often) as he's actually been much more durable than most NFL backs. He's missed 8 games in 8 full seasons (all of which he's been a starting back). He played a full 16 games in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2013 and 2014 and played 15 games in 2012. I do think he's going to give way to Powell often this season but I don't necessarily see his chances of missing games being any higher than any other RB.

He's been battling a hamstring injury all preseason. But you're correct - it just seemed like he got dinged up a lot. 

So I guess "ineffective" might be a better tab though - he wasn't looking quick or elusive or powerful in his last couple seasons with Chicago. 

I think Powell takes over by mid-season, with forte perhaps becoming a 3rd down specialist.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I also think people are missing that Chris Thompson was playing ahead of Kelly in the game where Matt Jones went down, and that his current injury isn't all that serious. Given Thompson's size I wouldn't expect him to be the feature back, but I do think he'll see more snaps than Kelly if Matt Jones sits out Week 1.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I also think people are missing that Chris Thompson was playing ahead of Kelly in the game where Matt Jones went down, and that his current injury isn't all that serious. Given Thompson's size I wouldn't expect him to be the feature back, but I do think he'll see more snaps than Kelly if Matt Jones sits out Week 1.

Agree - I highly suspect RBBC in that event.

There was some buzz about RBBC even before the Jones injury. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

He's been battling a hamstring injury all preseason. But you're correct - it just seemed like he got dinged up a lot. 

So I guess "ineffective" might be a better tab though - he wasn't looking quick or elusive or powerful in his last couple seasons with Chicago. 

I think Powell takes over by mid-season, with forte perhaps becoming a 3rd down specialist.

I think Forte sitting out as long as he did was more precautionary. He's a veteran and doesn't need the snaps. I'm a Powell fan and think he's under-rated for sure, but I'm also not sure he overtakes Forte, who is a great fit for the Chan Gailey offense. I could see it being a 60/40 (or even closer to 50/50) split all season though.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I think Forte sitting out as long as he did was more precautionary. He's a veteran and doesn't need the snaps. I'm a Powell fan and think he's under-rated for sure, but I'm also not sure he overtakes Forte, who is a great fit for the Chan Gailey offense. I could see it being a 60/40 (or even closer to 50/50) split all season though.

That's about where I'm at - 50/50, but should Forte prove ineffective or get hurt Powell has a lot of upside.

 Certainly worth rostering, and definitely more so than Kelly,  in the context of this topic 

 

[(HULK)]

As long is Chris Thompson is healthy and available, he is the 3rd down back.  Just an FYI, but he's locked into that role and I really don't see this coaching staff going away from that.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

As long is Chris Thompson is healthy and available, he is the 3rd down back.  Just an FYI, but he's locked into that role and I really don't see this coaching staff going away from that.

Right - so at best Kelly is a 2-down back if everything breaks right and if (as some have suggested) MJones gets "Wally pipp'd"?

yeah - hard pass. 

 

[(HULK)]

Right - so at best Kelly is a 2-down back if everything breaks right and if (as some have suggested) MJones gets "Wally pipp'd"?

yeah - hard pass. 

There is nothing wrong with taking a flyer on him.  Maybe Matt Jones trips and falls into Chris Thompson and they both end up on IR?  Or the coaches realize Matt isn't very good and roll Kelley, and Thompson catches fumblitis.

Lots can happen, there is opportunity there.  But nothing is certain, far from it.

 

[massraider]

Right - so at best Kelly is a 2-down back if everything breaks right and if (as some have suggested) MJones gets "Wally pipp'd"?

yeah - hard pass. 

Wow guy.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

There is nothing wrong with taking a flyer on him.  Maybe Matt Jones trips and falls into Chris Thompson and they both end up on IR?  Or the coaches realize Matt isn't very good and roll Kelley, and Thompson catches fumblitis.

Lots can happen, there is opportunity there.  But nothing is certain, far from it.

lol - yes, I concede that could happen. 

But again, it depends on the size of your bench & depth of league. 

 

[nittanylion]

Forte and Powell are both talented backs in their own right, in different places in their careers. If you were to evaluate both side-by-side in their 'primes', I think it's reasonable to say Forte is, overall, a more talented football player, while Powell might be a harder worker...but again, they are in different places in the moment. Forte is a little past his prime, and Powell hasn't quite reached his yet, so IMHO, they are very much the same Player right now. I think it's reasonable to assume that their split will be 50-50 floor, 60 Forte-40 Powell ceiling for the 2016 Jets.

The difference between them, and the Jets current Offense, and the Redskins RB's and the Redskins current Offense is that the Jets RB's are not only better, the Jets are much more built to run the ball, and it's very important for the Jets to run the ball. When the Jets Offense is playing in a game where it's doing what it wants to do, it's highly likely they run the hell out of the ball, and run it very effectively, and both backs get plenty of touches.

The Redskins personnel and Offense are both very different from the Jets. First, the backs aren't as talented. Second, and more importantly for fantasy purposes, and this might sound a bit weird, but I firmly believe it's the case - the Redskins don't really care - because their rushing offense is an extension of the pass, and all they are looking for the running game to do, is to keep the opposing defense honest enough that the pass remains effective. Redskins 2016 isn't any kind of 'exotic smashmouth' Offense, and they don't necessarily want it to be. Even in an optimal game script, and with a healthy Matt Jones, you're not going to see him, or any other Redskins RB get 20 carries a game...because that's not what this particular 2016 Redskins offense is built to do. They've become a good pass blocking line, they have what they believe to be the perfect QB for their scheme, and they are loaded with Pass Offense Weapons.

If you want to see what the Redskins are built for, and intend to do for 2016, look at what the Chargers were planning on doing before Melvin Gordon started to look the part. They were going into the season with Rivers/Woodhead/Allen/Benjamin/Johnson (now Williams)/Gates/Hunter, the running game was going to be an extension of the pass, etc...

Cousins/Thompson/DJax/Garcon/Crowder/Reed/V.Davis(I can't believe it, but he actually looks good) + Matt Jones, Niles Paul, Ryan Grant and eventually Doctson...it's the same thing.

They don't have great running game personnel, and I think they know it, and don't really care, as long as it doesn't become an impediment to the pass. It just needs to be good enough to keep the pass engine humming along. So, in my opinion, folks looking to get anything significant out of Kelley, or even Matt Jones or Chris Thompson for that matter, are not only looking at the wrong Players...they're looking in the wrong place, as well.

 

[Eminence]

He's been battling a hamstring injury all preseason. But you're correct - it just seemed like he got dinged up a lot. 

So I guess "ineffective" might be a better tab though - he wasn't looking quick or elusive or powerful in his last couple seasons with Chicago. 

I think Powell takes over by mid-season, with forte perhaps becoming a 3rd down specialist.

Forte ineffective? He was on pace to be the RB3 last year before he got hurt. He was the RB3 the two seasons before that.

Serious age bias here, Bilal Powell has proven to be ineffective running from under center. Zero chance he becomes the guy, those 200+ were mainly from under center not shotgun and those will go to someone not named Bilal Powell if Forte were to go down.

Powell is a decent option running out of the spread, that's all. He does not have 3-down upside.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Excellent post Nittanylion. 

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Powell has been in the league for half a decade.  He's already been stuck behind mediocre backs (Greene), aging backs (Johnson), and unknown backs (Ivory).  And in each case, even when the Jets finally did move on from that guy they immediately brought in someone else who was mediocre or aging or unknown just so they wouldn't have to start Powell.

But THIS is the year for Powell.  Because Matt Forte, possibly the most durable workhorse back of the current generation is....injury prone?  No wait, we already backpedaled on that.  It's because he didn't play as well as he did in his prime last year.  Except that his 4.1ypc last year was only 0.1 behind his career average while Powell has already been stuck behind an aging back that came in at 3.9ypc (0.6 off his career average).

The idea that Powell is going to get enough work to be an above average fantasy player is contingent on one and only one thing....an injury to the very durable RB playing in front of him.  Forte is no worse and really even at 30 is probably better than several of the backs that Powell has been stuck behind in the past, and every time an opportunity opens up for Powell the Jets go out of their way to shut it down and bring in someone else.  This idea that Powell has not yet hit his prime is outrageous.  He's about to turn 28 years old!  Yet people are talking about him like he's going into his 2nd year with his best days still ahead of him.

Kelly may be a JAG, there's a small chance he may not be.  Even if he is, so is Matt Jones, who's career totals for looking good on a football field measure up to that one game more than a year ago.  Yet even with that in mind the Redskins have already showed more faith in him being the #1 guy than the Jets have with Powell in a career's worth of seasons for a RB.

An unknown player with good opportunity is at least worth rostering to see how it works out.  Especially if you're getting excited over a known mediocre player who has already had opportunity and squandered it, and now has even less of it than he had in the past.

 

[Eminence]

Forte and Powell are both talented backs in their own right, in different places in their careers. If you were to evaluate both side-by-side in their 'primes', I think it's reasonable to say Forte is, overall, a more talented football player, while Powell might be a harder worker...but again, they are in different places in the moment. Forte is a little past his prime, and Powell hasn't quite reached his yet, so IMHO, they are very much the same Player right now. I think it's reasonable to assume that their split will be 50-50 floor, 60 Forte-40 Powell ceiling for the 2016 Jets.

The difference between them, and the Jets current Offense, and the Redskins RB's and the Redskins current Offense is that the Jets RB's are not only better, the Jets are much more built to run the ball, and it's very important for the Jets to run the ball. When the Jets Offense is playing in a game where it's doing what it wants to do, it's highly likely they run the hell out of the ball, and run it very effectively, and both backs get plenty of touches.

The Redskins personnel and Offense are both very different from the Jets. First, the backs aren't as talented. Second, and more importantly for fantasy purposes, and this might sound a bit weird, but I firmly believe it's the case - the Redskins don't really care - because their rushing offense is an extension of the pass, and all they are looking for the running game to do, is to keep the opposing defense honest enough that the pass remains effective. Redskins 2016 isn't any kind of 'exotic smashmouth' Offense, and they don't necessarily want it to be. Even in an optimal game script, and with a healthy Matt Jones, you're not going to see him, or any other Redskins RB get 20 carries a game...because that's not what this particular 2016 Redskins offense is built to do. They've become a good pass blocking line, they have what they believe to be the perfect QB for their scheme, and they are loaded with Pass Offense Weapons.

If you want to see what the Redskins are built for, and intend to do for 2016, look at what the Chargers were planning on doing before Melvin Gordon started to look the part. They were going into the season with Rivers/Woodhead/Allen/Benjamin/Johnson (now Williams)/Gates/Hunter, the running game was going to be an extension of the pass, etc...

Cousins/Thompson/DJax/Garcon/Crowder/Reed/V.Davis(I can't believe it, but he actually looks good) + Matt Jones, Niles Paul, Ryan Grant and eventually Doctson...it's the same thing.

They don't have great running game personnel, and I think they know it, and don't really care, as long as it doesn't become an impediment to the pass. It just needs to be good enough to keep the pass engine humming along. So, in my opinion, folks looking to get anything significant out of Kelley, or even Matt Jones or Chris Thompson for that matter, are not only looking at the wrong Players...they're looking in the wrong place, as well.

Not at all, if the Skins are half as good as people think in the passing game they will be in the redzone frequently.

Plenty of rushing touchdowns to be had, especially with defenses defending the pass.

 

[Mene]

I have no expectations, am not counting on the guy for anything, and will have no problem dropping him after week 1 should Jones come back or Kelley falls flat on his face.  All that said, if he is the Redskins starting RB, or 2 down RB for week 1, he should be rostered in just about any league with 12+ teams.  At a minimum, there are what, 50, 60 RB's rostered in a 12 team league?  Every starting RB in the NFL should be rostered in a 12 team fantasy league, might be as your RB5, RB6, but he should be owned.  You just never know where RB value is going to emerge, and with a position that volatile, having excess RB's is better than having a dearth of RB's.  

Your particular roster might make picking Kelley up seem foolish, but I would be willing to bet that every 12 team league has a team with someone they should drop to just see what happens here. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Forte ineffective? He was on pace to be the RB3 last year before he got hurt. He was the RB3 the two seasons before that.

Serious age bias here, Bilal Powell has proven to be ineffective running from under center. Zero chance he becomes the guy, those 200+ were mainly from under center not shotgun and those will go to someone not named Bilal Powell if Forte were to go down.

Powell is a decent option running out of the spread, that's all. He does not have 3-down upside.

really? Fascinating since the Jets have made him their RB2 and have praised his ability

 Kind of the opposite of everything you're saying, so I'm wondering where you're getting your insight .

 Weird… 

 

[Mene]

As far as the Forte/Powell debate, I'll just say that the day after they signed Forte to his 3yr/12mil deal, they signed Powell to a 3yr/11.25mil deal.  Both are structured similarly, both are extremely close in value, and .... both backs have similar strengths.  The team likes Powell, obviously, so I'm guessing, they didn't view either back as a sure fire workhorse.  Both fit the Jets system well, and I would be willing to bet that this will be a very close split, giving both some RB3/Flex level value in PPR.  If one gets hurt, the other becomes a RB2 in PPR.  I think Powell is a great value in drafts this year, considering the cost of acquisition compared to what Forte costs, when so much looks like these two are on close to equal footing.

 

[nittanylion]

Cousins excels in the Red Zone Read Option, he appears to like his rushing TD's similar to Cam (he calls his own number plenty),  and no RB that the Redskins have on their roster currently, is a hammer. Morris was a bad fit for the scheme, but he could be called upon as a hammer when needed. Again, there is opportunity here...however, the it's the opportunity, in and of itself, that's not that good. They don't have good backs for running, they aren't built to run, their running game is an extension of the pass,and it's not of primary importance to them to run, with the exception of keeping the defense honest. If this wasn't the case, they would have handled their offseason, in respect to addressing the rushing offense, much differently. At least that's my opinion...and that's why they play the games!

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I have no expectations, am not counting on the guy for anything, and will have no problem dropping him after week 1 should Jones come back or Kelley falls flat on his face.  All that said, if he is the Redskins starting RB, or 2 down RB for week 1, he should be rostered in just about any league with 12+ teams.  At a minimum, there are what, 50, 60 RB's rostered in a 12 team league?  Every starting RB in the NFL should be rostered in a 12 team fantasy league, might be as your RB5, RB6, but he should be owned.  You just never know where RB value is going to emerge, and with a position that volatile, having excess RB's is better than having a dearth of RB's.  

Your particular roster might make picking Kelley up seem foolish, but I would be willing to bet that every 12 team league has a team with someone they should drop to just see what happens here. 

That means every 12 team league has someone who drafted horribly and probably has no chance to win with or without picking up Kelly. Because (again) we're talking about week 1 here, right after everyone drafted. 

And y'all keep saying that word - "IF" - then you get all lecturey about the ifs. Why waste the energy for something that might not happen? Or better, spend it talking about the backups in DAL or MIN or some good running team where the backup is more talented? 

man, I haven't seen this kind of love for a speculative "IF/THEN" running back ever. And that it's for one who has never generated any buzz is bizarre. 

Love the passion though - I wish some of you were in my league...the $ would be better with all the desperation add drops. In week 1. lol

so yes - I have already conceded that IF Jones misses week 1, then Kelly is worth an add. But in most 12 team leagues, right now, as it stands, he's not. Especially not at the expense of someone you just drafted. 

Hey, maybe you made a 2 for 1 deal and freed up a roster spot - go for it. Add Kelly and fall in  . 

Long odds on a breakout player though. 

Good luck to all the kelly backers. I hope he works out for ya. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Plenty of rushing touchdowns to be had, especially with defenses defending the pass.

Many of them by Cousins. 

 

[Dismattle]

really? Fascinating since the Jets have made him their RB2 and have praised his ability

 Kind of the opposite of everything you're saying, so I'm wondering where you're getting your insight .

 Weird… 

Its worth noting that depth charts can be over-rated and/or misleading..  

(Lets get off Khiry Robinsons potential and focus on the Skins)  

p.s.  I cant be for certain you understand how badly depth charts can be written    But  I dont want any newbies mislead    ie.  IS a dedicated cop back the RB2?  

 

[Eminence]

really? Fascinating since the Jets have made him their RB2 and have praised his ability

 Kind of the opposite of everything you're saying, so I'm wondering where you're getting your insight .

 Weird… 

I watch the games? Powell has been in the league for 6 years?

Please find me one highlight of Powell running from under center last year.

 

[massraider]

You're talking about a player that's free. No one is talking about trading a 2017 1st for him.

But not many people believe in Matt Jones, Marshall looks lost and frail, and Thompson is a Vereen.

So until Karlos Williams shows up, this kid is interesting. 

Weird hill some of you are choosing to die on.

 

[tone1oc]

You're talking about a player that's free. No one is talking about trading a 2017 1st for him.

But not many people believe in Matt Jones, Marshall looks lost and frail, and Thompson is a Vereen.

So until Karlos Williams shows up, this kid is interesting. 

Weird hill some of you are choosing to die on.

Spot on.

 

[Ilov80s]

Kleim (Skins reporter for ESPN) says he is hearing Marshall might go to IR.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

You're talking about a player that's free. No one is talking about trading a 2017 1st for him.

But not many people believe in Matt Jones, Marshall looks lost and frail, and Thompson is a Vereen.

So until Karlos Williams shows up, this kid is interesting. 

Weird hill some of you are choosing to die on.

He's not free. He requires a roster spot.  Maybe you play in a league with  A magical free roster spot for guys named Kelly, but I don't. 

 So your definition of "free "and my definition differ somewhat. 

 If this were a week six or seven, this topic would have much greater relevance. 

ETA:  i'm not dying on any Hill, just trying to keep it real. 

 The premise of this topic was, and I quote, " he is a must add in any format ".

 I continue to disagree with that premise.  

But I do wish the Kelly owners luck. If you're  headed into week one with Kelly occupying a starting spot in your lineup, you're definitely going to need it. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I watch the games? Powell has been in the league for 6 years?

Please find me one highlight of Powell running from under center last year.

Chan Gailey is basically the inventor of the pistol offense so Powell's ability to run from a formation with the QB under center isn't all that relevant since Fitzpatrick will mostly be in the shotgun.

 

[Dismattle]

He's not free. He requires a roster spot.  Maybe you play in a league with  A magical free roster spot for guys named Kelly, but I don't. 

 So your definition of "free "and my definition differ somewhat. 

 If this were a week six or seven, this topic would have much greater relevance. 

It gets worse as the Season moves on..  By wk 7 a guy may need to consider giving up on a DGB or a Parker (to make room)  Other acquisitions already showing positive signs etc.  Worse yet alot of teams will be scouring to replace a drafted RB who isnt producing..

Basically Fat Rob is about as free as he will ever be

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Basically Fat Rob is about as free as he will ever be

 In that case, I hope you two are very happy together. 

 

[tone1oc]

For those that are so awesome at fantasy football and have a bench chock full of breakouts and top notch backups, why not just move along?  Why not let us bad drafters and terrible managers toil over our end of bench guys? 

 

[tone1oc]

 Seriously? This is the best  defense of your position you can come up with? 

 If you're not willing to engage in discussion about a player at a fantasy discussion community, maybe you're the one who should move along. 

 Seems just as logical as your suggestion. 

Are you serious clark?  I've been discussing this guy for over a day.  The best you can come up with is that your bench is awesome and you'd never use him. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Are you serious clark?  I've been discussing this guy for over a day.  The best you can come up with is that your bench is awesome and you'd never use him. 

 I deleted my post, I realized it was a little bit harsh.

 I'm not talking about my bench. I'm talking about the vast majority of benches in fantasy football. 

 I've said several times that In leagues that are 14 or 16 teams, he makes a good speculative add.

 I've also conceited more than once that if he does get 20 carries, he will have value. And also if he does become the starter, he will have value. 

 Funny how all y'all seem to keep ignoring that &  projecting other things on to the people in here that are trying to keep it realIstic. 

 It's a discussion. Some of us have differing opinions. I enjoy your contributions -  differences of opinion are  what makes the world go around. Collectively we can all learn more this way. 

 If we all just agreed with each other all the time this would be a pretty boring discussion community. 

 

[tone1oc]

 I deleted my post, I realized it was a little bit harsh. 

I'm not talking about my bench. I'm talking about the

 I'm not talking about my bench. I'm talking about the vast majority of benches in fantasy football. 

 I've said several times that I'm leagues that are 14 or 16 teams, he makes a good speculative add.

 I've also conceited more than once that if he does get 20 carries, he will have value. And also if he does become the starter, he will have value. 

 Funny how all y'all seem to keep ignoring that I'm projecting other things on to the people in here that are trying to keep it realIstic. 

 It's a discussion. Some of us have differing opinions. I enjoy your contributions -  differences of opinion I would make the world go around. Collectively we can all learn more this way. 

 If we all just agreed with each other all the time this would be a pretty boring discussion community. 

I don't mind your difference of opinion at all, and I don't really mean for anyone to leave discussion.  Just seems odd that a potential starting RB in the NFL that only costs a speculative roster spot is drawing the ire of people who will not roster him.   As massraider so eloquently said "Weird hill some of you are choosing to die on."

 

[Weebs210]

I vote hot sauce stops posting in this thread. We get it guy, you don't like him. You don't have to keep telling us over and over that you do not think he is worth rostering. Move along now... most likely into a Powell thread.