BoulderBob
Footballguy
Montgomery is a stud in his own right. Just a great all around RB that deserves to start at the NFL level. Problem is Herbert might be even better. Neither one will push the other to the bench, however.
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RB Khalil Herbert, CHI (1 Viewer)
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tombonneau
Footballguy
Really excited to have this kid in both dynasties. Reminds me a lot of Aaron Jones. Both as player and his situation
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
I think people getting overly giddy need to calm themselves a bit.
Montgomery was great last week, and was thought of near unanimously as one of the best RB plays going into this week...which says probably more about the HOU run defense, so it shouldn't be surprising a seemingly equally talented RB had a solid game against them.
Right now Chicago is probably thinking to themselves "we have two very nice RBs", and there's zero reason to limit either from the gameplan.
Montgomery was great last week, and was thought of near unanimously as one of the best RB plays going into this week...which says probably more about the HOU run defense, so it shouldn't be surprising a seemingly equally talented RB had a solid game against them.
Right now Chicago is probably thinking to themselves "we have two very nice RBs", and there's zero reason to limit either from the gameplan.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
Herbert has a much better burst when there's a crease or hole to hit. They are both good, but go about things in a different manner.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Banger
Footballguy
As a Herbert owner I’m going to approach the Monty owner and try and see if i can swap some pieces. If a Monty owner is hurting and they are 1-2, 0-3 I think now is a good chance to lock down one of the best rushing offenses in the league. They can’t pass, every time Fields passes he looks like Uncle Rico…they have to run.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
No excuse for Herbert “getting better looks today.” Came in off the bench and just dominated.
When has Monty put up 150 yards?
When has Monty put up 150 yards?
metoo
Footballguy
He's an average starting rb. He's averaged under 4 yards a carry 2/3 years.
skinsrule05
Footballguy
Good plan because I was thinking of doing the same. I own Monty and was going to try and get Herbert. There is a lot of value in having both. Just having one piece could be tough if Monty can play in a week or two. How much do you think you would want to get to give Herbert?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
great play by Boone
Banger
Footballguy
Hard to say, you have to know your league mates and what they need. So many variables…does the herbert owner have a ton of depth or will he plug Herbert into his lineup? If he’s dealing from strength you might get him cheaper if you can give a marginal increase somewhere else in his lineup. If he needs Herbert, you’ll have to overpay and prob not worth it. For me personally, I have Pollard, Taylor, Stevenson, Henderson, Herbert and Edmonds. I’m fine keeping him but I’d package him for an upgrade. I’m debating making offers to the Mcaffrey, Eckler owners…
I view him as a top 10ish rb with Monty out. RB as a position is about as bad as I can remember. The only consistency is inconsistency. If you can get a guy that is talented, in an offense that has no choice but to run and has no competition that‘s the definition of fantasy success.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Some nice KH tweets incoming:
| @clayharbs82 Khalil Herbert is IMPRESSIVE. He had 6 explosive runs, 8 first-downs, 130 yards after contact and 2 TD’s to go with an 80.0-plus grade on PFF. Incredible performance by him. #DaBears #BearDown #ChicagoBears |
| 9/26/22, 7:56 AM |
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
| @nickercolano khalil herbert yesterday: 157 rushing yards through 47 games, david montgomery's highest mark: 146 rushing yards |
| 9/26/22, 9:21 AM |
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
| @adamlevitan Khalil Herbert has played at least 30 snaps in an NFL game five times. Rushing results: * 18-75-0 * 19-97-1 * 18-100-0 * 23-72-0 * 20-157-2 |
| 9/26/22, 11:09 AM |
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
| @Underdog__NFL RBs averaging more than 1 Rush Yards Over Expected per Attempt (per @NextGenStats): Khalil Herbert 2.92 D'Andre Swift 2.86 Aaron Jones 2.52 Saquon Barkley 2.25 Nick Chubb 1.68 Cordarrelle Patterson 1.52 Breece Hall 1.44 Isaiah Pacheco 1.28 Jeff Wilson 1.11 |
| 9/26/22, 9:21 AM |
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
I have both he and Monty. Rest up for a bit GB Monty. 
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
An MoP laugh at me moment: I cut Herbert very close to kick off time yesterday with Monty getting so much press and hype, he was Top 10 on every site. End of my bench, I'd gotten Herbert thinking I was ahead of folks and I was...then I felt the need to try and beat the rush for Brian Robinson in Washington coming off a gun shot wound hopefully Week 5. I'm looking for a starter and I had one but cut him.
Injury and he goes bonkers for 150 yds and 2 TDs, they barely win but they would be fools to put Monty back in as the starter. Let them split time or carries, doubt Monty can keep up.
Laugh at my pain, still 3-0 in that league but lost out on the starter in Chicago...that could change but it feels like he took his chance and blew the door open.
Injury and he goes bonkers for 150 yds and 2 TDs, they barely win but they would be fools to put Monty back in as the starter. Let them split time or carries, doubt Monty can keep up.
Laugh at my pain, still 3-0 in that league but lost out on the starter in Chicago...that could change but it feels like he took his chance and blew the door open.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
4 of the next 5 weeks they have road games at the Giants, Vikings, Patriots and a likely Dak-QB Dallas Cowboys, that will look a lot different than the Texans.
Big opportunity for him moving forward, investors I'm sure are excited today.
Big opportunity for him moving forward, investors I'm sure are excited today.
Did the same thing to pick up Daniel Jones of all people, as a back up in case Herbert didn't play. Unreal.
skinsrule05
Footballguy
I heard on a podcast today that Montgomery's injury is minor. That he might even play this week. Of course I am taking that as gospel since I have him.
If I was a Montgomery manager, I would be trying to get Herbert.
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
I drafted him a lot.
I drafted him in the 12th round of a 12 team league, and was basically mocked by the guy who drafted Montgomery in the 4th
Same here 12.8
I drafted him in the 12th round of a 12 team league, and was basically mocked by the guy who drafted Montgomery in the 4th
Monty owner's team is not so great (0-3)-- he does have Justin Jefferson tho
skinsrule05
Footballguy
The problem with trading any of Monty or Herbert is that the value is all over the place. If Monty is out Herbert becomes a low end RB1. If Monty plays we could have a split backfield not knowing who to start in any given week. I would love to get Herbert to pair with Monty but I couldn't give up a player like Jefferson for a split backfield.Same here 12.8
I drafted him in the 12th round of a 12 team league, and was basically mocked by the guy who drafted Montgomery in the 4th
Monty owner's team is not so great (0-3)-- he does have Justin Jefferson tho
Todem
Footballguy
Because NFL coaches don’t give a **** about pretend football and know a little more about what they are trying to do in there scheme and what the big picture is for their team than us amateur’s sitting on an couch.
He looked great yesterday vs a terrible run defense. They have two talented backs. They will play them both.
As a guy who had Herbert in the same tier as Najee and Etienne in the 2021 draft class, this was great to see, and if he can reasonably keep hitting these big runs, they might just roll with him as the starter next year with Montgomery a FA.
As a Bears fan, Montgomery isn't losing his job this year, he's simply too good at too many things. Herbert is a more explosive runner, no doubt, but Montgomery is much better in the passing game, both as a receiver and especially as a blocker. Montgomery is also a really good short yardage runner.
I can certainly see this becoming more of a Chubb/Hunt backfield, or perhaps more accurately think back to Taylor/MJD. But if Montgomery is out a few weeks, its perfectly reasonable to think Herbert will be a top-15 RB, even in tough matchups.
As a Bears fan, Montgomery isn't losing his job this year, he's simply too good at too many things. Herbert is a more explosive runner, no doubt, but Montgomery is much better in the passing game, both as a receiver and especially as a blocker. Montgomery is also a really good short yardage runner.
I can certainly see this becoming more of a Chubb/Hunt backfield, or perhaps more accurately think back to Taylor/MJD. But if Montgomery is out a few weeks, its perfectly reasonable to think Herbert will be a top-15 RB, even in tough matchups.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Weird to say this running game is truly elite production- bizarre since that is all the team can do effectively. Opposing defenses KNOW a run is coming, but they still can't stop it.
Is the bears o-line a bunch of maulers this year? It appears so.
Bears RB's are the only source of fantasy production on the team. Giddy up. They will run in any situation too.
Is the bears o-line a bunch of maulers this year? It appears so.
Bears RB's are the only source of fantasy production on the team. Giddy up. They will run in any situation too.
nirad3
Footballguy
I don't know if he's a "better" RB than Montgomery. He just fits the current scheme the Bears are employing right now.
I'm a Bears fan. I like Montgomery. A lot actually. But I had hoped they'd trade him to get max value out of him while they could, knowing they had a diamond in the rough in Herbert.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
I traded Akers straight up for Herbert in a salary keeper league today and happy
steelcityman
Footballguy
I have both CHI RBs, in dyrnasty, need a WR, but cant split them up, or maybe I should, and just play either one of them when I need to, otherwise they sit the bench, although Herbert would probably crack the lineup more. I honestly have no idea what to do. 
foxco
Footballguy
Great deal for you, David Akers has been retired for years so amazing value there.
metoo
Footballguy
Trade Monty before you can't.I have both CHI RBs, in dyrnasty, need a WR, but cant split them up, or maybe I should, and just play either one of them when I need to, otherwise they sit the bench, although Herbert would probably crack the lineup more. I honestly have no idea what to do.
skinsrule05
Footballguy
I agree with this. The only way Monty can keep his value is if he isn't going to miss time and Herbert stays on the bench. After this past weekend I don't see how either one of those will come true.Trade Monty before you can't.I have both CHI RBs, in dyrnasty, need a WR, but cant split them up, or maybe I should, and just play either one of them when I need to, otherwise they sit the bench, although Herbert would probably crack the lineup more. I honestly have no idea what to do.
:deadbevo:
Footballguy
Do we have any clarity on Montgomery?
rockaction
Footballguy
This is a situation where you don’t want either until it’s cleared up. Do you really want another AJ Dillon/Aaron Jones thing? They’re now both unstartable.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Not severe. He's day-to-day.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Depending on the league size and format, I’m not sure this is true. The Bears are going to run the ball a ton because they can’t throw at all.
Johnny Utah #9
Footballguy
Just like he was “day to day” before missing like 6 weeks last year? Coach was also very dodgy giving a “no comment” to the IR question possibility the other day.
This injury situation is clear as mud right now. Given we’re not going to hear anything concrete before waivers run, it’s a bit of a leap of faith situation.
rockaction
Footballguy
I suppose if you're in a sixteen-team league, you can start both. I haven't seen a true RBBC be able to be supported unless it's Chubb/Hunt, and that's actually the only example I can think of in recent memory where you weren't taking a chance at about six points or under if you started one guy and not the other.
I'm really just in here to say that when people think you can start one and/or flex the other on a good fantasy football team, you usually can't.
If you have a good team, the bad days kill you.
If you have a bad to mediocre team, then you probably can go the route of starting either and hoping.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
The key phrase is "in recent memory." The NFL has become a passing league, which doesn't usually support two big producers at RB on the same team. But the 2022 Bears look to be a throwback to the '70s and '80s, an era where many teams had two big-producing RBs, with how little they are passing the ball.
titusbramble
Footballguy
Picked him up in the only league I'm in where he was on the wire. Overpaid substantially in the end given other bids unfortunately but knowing the league I felt I needed to empty the clip
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
MoP, I've been watching Khali every week and following the threads. I passed again last week when the news was high on Monty. Well, I got Herbert in a FAB bid without a whole lot of action. Seems the uncertainty about Monty and Herbert not ranked very high let him pass through in our league. I dropped Tampa Bay D. Now await either Swift or Godwin to be ruled out so I can pick up a defense this week. Herbert is solid even with a healthy Monty. Without Monty he's a low end RB #1 / solid RB #2 this week. As far as moving forward, who knows? Khali looks too good on a run first type offense.
FairWarning
Footballguy
Monty has a grinding style, similar to ex-bear Matt Forte. Herbert hits the hole hard, just a more dynamic player. Even with Monty, Herbert should get plenty of touches going forward in a run-first offense.
higgins
Footballguy
I believe @Ministry of Pain has been downgrading K. Herbert since the beginning of the season because he was under the impression that he had an injury history (he doesn't). In training camp, he was carted off the field but that appeared to be for precautionary measures (he was actively practicing the next day). Without the false injury history impression, KH has 4 things going for him in increasingly meaningful order:
(1) He played very well in relief of Monty in 2021
(2) He's played very well in relief of Monty in 2022 (thus far).
(3) Monty is dinged now & is a FA after this season.
(4) KH appears to excel in a wide-zone rushing attack, which the new regime is transitioning towards -- they want to see what this kid can do in their scheme.
Louisville fan here....so I found this at least 32.87% funnier than the average bear.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
please check the fantasy doctors on youtube re: Montgomery, invaluable resource for injuries.sports medicine doc in Miami.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEd-QkoUq2Y
he's saying from what he saw in the video of the injury, it's likely the dreaded H.A.S high ankle sprain and MCL sprain on the knee for Monty likely out 4 weeks if either is true. his words.
If either injury sticks, Herbert is a stud obviously.
he's saying from what he saw in the video of the injury, it's likely the dreaded H.A.S high ankle sprain and MCL sprain on the knee for Monty likely out 4 weeks if either is true. his words.
If either injury sticks, Herbert is a stud obviously.
