I agree, but I think he could be a nice piece to have and hopefully not too expensive.
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RB Gus Edwards, LAC (3 Viewers)
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rockaction
Footballguy
zamboni
Footballguy
I think the pendulum will swing a bit more towards Dobbins next year, but Gus is too good not to be liberally usedYep. Unfortunately for both GMs that roster him and Dobbins.
And Hill.
Interesting stat: according to PFF, only two players in NFL history have started their career with three straight seasons of 700-plus rushing yards and at least 5 yards per carry: Nick Chubb and Gus Edwards.
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Boston
Footballguy
Quality RB who will probably be a better real RB than fantasy RB as he will most likely remain with the Ravens during his prime...he has been very consistent going for 718, 711 and 723 during his first three seasons with YPC of 5.2, 5.3 and 5.0...just in a tough spot fantasy-wise with Dobbins (as you point out) and Lamar.
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Kiddnets
Footballguy
tough for both Gus and Dobbins.....would be much better for both if they were split up....just not enough touches with Lamae there....hopefully it a 1 yr tag and hes a FA next yr but I think Balt really likes this 3 headed monster.....downgrade Dobbins a little and Gus more.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
moves from the 18th highest paid RB to 15th, passing Jalen Richard and Latavius Murray today.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
There's definite over-reaction risk here (kind of like D. Henderson after Akers), but yes, I'm inclined to say mid/late 4th leaves some room for him to outperform his draft spot.
To be fair, Gus Edwards is a much more proven RB than Henderson was, and the Ravens are much more run heavy than the Rams are. I'd say 3/4 turn is fair, late 4th is probably a steal. Gus Edwards putting up 1,200-12 is very much on the table, if Dobbins is out. If that gets confirmed, I'd put Gus in the same tier as Jacobs, Robinson, Carson, Swift, and maybe even Montgomery.
Baltimore has run for over 3,000 yards each of the last 2 seasons, it stands to reason that isn't going to change. Jackson has anywhere from 1,100-1,400 going to him. That leaves 1,600-1,900 for the RB's.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
How much of a factor do you think Justice Hill and Ty'son Williams will play? Where would you draft them? Or wouldn't you?
Down Under
Footballguy
Unless they add another guy, I expect Edwards would get more work than Dobbins was going to. I probably wouldn't draft either unless its a super deep league. I expect Hill to be ahead of Williams due to his speed and passing game ability.
I think Edwards as of right now, gets 65-70% of the RB carries, which is probably around 250 carries. I would think perhaps the Ravens would maybe be a little more pass balanced than normal, but Hollywood and Bateman have both missed pretty much all of camp.
Perhaps Lamar runs even more than normal?
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Well so much for the Gus Bus being a cheap ticket.
Truebluey
Footballguy
Tanner9919
Footballguy
top 10 RB from now on, if the Hobbit is indeed done for the season.
5 yards per carry avg for his career. give him dobbins' 134 carries from last season, we're looking at 270 carries on the year for Gus Edwards. 1350 rushing yards. double digit TDs.
easily a top 10 RB going forward
5 yards per carry avg for his career. give him dobbins' 134 carries from last season, we're looking at 270 carries on the year for Gus Edwards. 1350 rushing yards. double digit TDs.
easily a top 10 RB going forward
JetMaxx
Footballguy
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
That sounds like an inflated ceiling. 900-1000 and 7-8 feels more realistic. And that's assuming worst case for Dobbins...for all we know it could be a low grade PCL out 2 weeks scenario. But in the worst case scenario, assuming a 60/40 Edwards/Hill split, discounted for the chance they bring a marginal FA like the ghost of AP, seems more prudent until we have more info.
Edited to add before today I had Edwards TWO tiers below the group you mention. In the worst case scenario I'd bump him up to the group just below Jacobs, etc.
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Judge Smails
Footballguy
I'm leery of any back who hasn't carried a full time load. There's usually a reason for that, and they find a way to stay in a RBBC
ap28.allday
Footballguy
I don't believe Hill is the handcuff to own here. Ty'son Williams passed him on the depth chart, he could end up getting 7-10 carries a game. I think this firmly places Gus as an RB#2, in the 250 carries range in 2021, as long as Dobbins is out for the season.
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They will likely look to trade or sign free agent if this is serious. If we see Gurley sign there then we will know.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
I've mostly seen Hill and Williams about even in various pre Dobbins injury projections *. Haven't been monitoring depth charts / not sure they are accurate until days before the season starts (?).
* 40/40/10/10% Dobbins/Edwards/Hill/Williams.
KingPrawn
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
Draft at noon.
I love this. No one knows.
I love this. No one knows.
Stat Correction
Footballguy
Been drafting him cheap in all leagues as a bye-week filler or occasional flex guy, knowing that he has the potential to be a RB1/2 should Dobbins go down. I have two drafts remaining, so might miss out on him in those, as I expect his ADP to skyrocket should we find out that Dobbins is out for the season.
He is certainly not a "plodder" or "strictly an A-gap guy" as some have suggested. He is a competent and hard-nosed old-school RB that has never had his chance to own a backfield. No, he isn't gonna catch a lot of balls, but neither does Henry or Chubb.....and on an offense like the Ravens, he could definitely light up the fantasy scoreboard. Remember, Pro Football Focus graded Edwards as the fourth best runner in 2020.
He is certainly not a "plodder" or "strictly an A-gap guy" as some have suggested. He is a competent and hard-nosed old-school RB that has never had his chance to own a backfield. No, he isn't gonna catch a lot of balls, but neither does Henry or Chubb.....and on an offense like the Ravens, he could definitely light up the fantasy scoreboard. Remember, Pro Football Focus graded Edwards as the fourth best runner in 2020.
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Per FFI, only 3 RBs have averaged 5.0 ypc in 3 consecutive seasons in the last 50 years. Gus is one if them. He had an 85.8 pff grade last year. At the U, he couldn't break the starting lineup, against guys like Mark Walton. He benefits from teams defending against Lamar. He only caught 9 passes last year and 7 the year before.
He would need a 1b if Dobbins can't play for an extended peeiod.
When he goes down that fast and clutches…. It’s a tear. We’ve all sprained…. That quick to me means a tear. He felt something go bad. IMHO
Shawnky
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Gus had some stand alone value as it was....if he now becomes the Ravens RB1 without real serious heat behind him...which we really didn’t hear or worry about before....IMO he becomes a serious consideration very early in drafts....I have two of my main redrafts tomorrow and I could EASILY see him going in the third...
TripItUp
Footballguy
huge reach in the third until we get the MRI results.
I would say 7th is the earliest I would consider him pre-MRI.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Williams has been better than Hill this summer, by a lot.
Williams had thrown a monkey wrench into the Ravens cut-down decisions by playing so well, even before Dobbins got hurt. The only thing I haven't heard much about with Williams is whether he can block at all. If he can't, then he won't get much time.
The only thing saving Hill from getting cut (pre-Dobbins injury) was that he made himself a valuable STer. If you're the 3rd string RB on the Ravens, you'd better be good on special teams. All credit to Hill for realizing that and putting in the work.
Without Dobbins, I'm guessing the RB carries are split something like:
Edwards - 65%
Williams - 25%
Hill - 10%
If Dobbins is out for the season, I'd have no problem taking Edwards in the 2nd/3rd round.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Here's what Lamar said when asked:
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Might be Interesting arbitrage in this morning’s draft. Dobbins may be back in 4-6 weeks. Or you may be out all year.
In any case I’m not sure how to value Edwards, who looked like a great pick up when he was going in the 9th 10th 11th round but who knows now? I wonder if Dobbins will get taken at all? I’ve got an 18 round draft I’m taking him somewhere if he falls.
We have a few ravens fans in our league so this is all very doubtful.
In any case I’m not sure how to value Edwards, who looked like a great pick up when he was going in the 9th 10th 11th round but who knows now? I wonder if Dobbins will get taken at all? I’ve got an 18 round draft I’m taking him somewhere if he falls.
We have a few ravens fans in our league so this is all very doubtful.
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Insoxicated
hrmmmmm
Do we listen to an assement from the team at Pro Football Focus who graded him #4 RB last year.... or Mr Soup who says he stinks.
