Judge Smails
Footballguy
He can only win now with a great offensive line and a great defense. In other words, Trent Dilfer 2.0
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Judge Smails
Footballguy
49rs have a perfect setup. QB they really wanted still on his rookie deal and Mr Irrelevant now playing like a seasoned vet running the offense extremely well. Why would you pay huge money for that position? Spend it elsewhere. I’d be absolutely shocked if he goes to SF. He makes sense in Miami if Tua retires. I think he goes there or stays in TBPurdyBrock Purdy or Tom Brady in San Francisco. Who would you pick?
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Remind me again all the recent SB champions that won with a porous OL and a bad defense? As a for instance, this season PHI was the #1ranked OL by PFF and KC was #4. The Eagles ranked 2nd and the Chiefs ranked 11th defensively (based on yardage).
In Brady's championship seasons, his team's defenses ranked 6th, 1st, 2nd, 8th, 1st, 7th, and 8th in fewest points allowed. I can't find OL rankings that far back, but I don't remember there being huge issues with pass protection. Basically, nothing has changed for Brady . . . he's needed good OL play and strong defenses to win all along. But that's hardly a Tom Brady phenomenon. All QBs need that.
For all the talk about teams needing to have a big offense to win, the Rams last year were the first team to win in 10 years to win the SB without a Top 10 defense.
Thanks for the info. I checked znd Tampa's offensive line wascrated 11 overall. As noted earlier by someon
I think you right. I don't think Green Bay wants to pay 50mill to Rodgers so I think he will try to hit traded either to Miami, Jets or Raiders. I think those teams would much rather have Rodgers over Brady. Are we sure that Tampa wants him back?49rs have a perfect setup. QB they really wanted still on his rookie deal and Mr Irrelevant now playing like a seasoned vet running the offense extremely well. Why would you pay huge money for that position? Spend it elsewhere. I’d be absolutely shocked if he goes to SF. He makes sense in Miami if Tua retires. I think he goes there or stays in TBPurdyBrock Purdy or Tom Brady in San Francisco. Who would you pick?
Wingnut
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
It’s the hire that matters imo. If it’s Bill O Brien I think Brady comes back. Anybody else who isn’t associated with him and it’s shaky ground.
Capella
Footballguy
Clickbait, please. PFF has a lot of faults but they’re used by every nfl team and pretty well-respected. They are far from clickbait. Even if they have Brady too high, he’s clearly in the first third of QBs in the league and is still a valuable player.
Unwrittenlaw
Footballguy
He's gonna stay in TB or go to New Orleans Saints. I don't think SF replaces Purdy if they go deep into the playoffs.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
What an idiotic post.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Sarcasm detector down?
Dizzy
Footballguy
Clickbait, please. PFF has a lot of faults but they’re used by every nfl team and pretty well-respected. They are far from clickbait. Even if they have Brady too high, he’s clearly in the first third of QBs in the league and is still a valuable player.
That explains a lot actually... poor coaching choices, poor player development, annual flow of burned out QBs (not to pick on WAS and IND).
So, you're telling me that right now the Ravens staff is looking at PFF and saying, "Let Lamar walk. We can get Tom Brady. #championship!"
ZADO
Footballguy
One idiotic post deserves another my friend
And it's not like the Rams had a bad defense with Donald, Wagner, and Ramsay playing at all-pro levels.
BTW, construction continues at Brady's mega-mansion on exclusive Indian Creek just a short swim away from Giselle's mini-mansion on a less exclusive part of Miami Beach. But Brady is unlikely to play for the Dolphins as Tua doctor's and I guess the NFL are leading him to believe that he's not at greater risk to suffer serious brain damage than the typical player. After the concussion in CIN, I heard an interview during which he said that the guys in the trenches are more likely to have serious long-term damage because of repeatedly hitting their heads, without immediate clinical symptoms.
To defend PFF a bit, they have always, always been lower on Carson Wentz than the general public, even back to his Eagles years. No team looking at their work, would have ever thought Wentz was answer, even 4-5 years ago.
Clickbait, please. PFF has a lot of faults but they’re used by every nfl team and pretty well-respected. They are far from clickbait. Even if they have Brady too high, he’s clearly in the first third of QBs in the league and is still a valuable player.
That explains a lot actually... poor coaching choices, poor player development, annual flow of burned out QBs (not to pick on WAS and IND).
So, you're telling me that right now the Ravens staff is looking at PFF and saying, "Let Lamar walk. We can get Tom Brady. #championship!"
Truth be told, I think if the Ravens went from Lamar to Brady, they might be a better team in the short term. Probably also need to add a WR or 2, but that's true with Lamar as well.
Side note just about "burned out" veteran players coming off down years I have always felt that there is a value to those players, it just needs to be a marriage of where they are currently at, and them accepting where they are currently at. Somebody like TY Hilton springs to mind, where I think he's still a top-50 WR in the NFL and very capable of being a #2 on many teams, but hold even more value in his Dallas role as a more motivated (and healthier) part timer.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
KC is far from a great defense
Judge Smails
Footballguy
I agree saying he needs a great O line and a defense to win is simplistic.
He can’t move. His arm strength is down unless he has ample time to really step in to it. He’ll never win another SB. He’s still insane at 45, but he’s washed. I’m not interested where he goes next. It won’t matter. Except some fan base and GM are going to be very disappointed.
He can’t move. His arm strength is down unless he has ample time to really step in to it. He’ll never win another SB. He’s still insane at 45, but he’s washed. I’m not interested where he goes next. It won’t matter. Except some fan base and GM are going to be very disappointed.
Unwrittenlaw
Footballguy
Tom Brady needs a top 15 defense to win the Super Bowl. He's not going to Miami. Too weak of a defense. Las Vegas also.
These are the list of possible teams:
These are the list of possible teams:
| 2 | San Francisco 49ers | 17 | 277 | 5110 | 1026 | 5.0 | 30 | 10 | 291 | 389 | 593 | 3789 | 20 | 20 | 5.9 | 188 | 389 | 1321 | 11 | 3.4 | 77 | 96 | 832 | 26 | 25.7 | 15.3 | 67.78 |
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| 4 | Washington Commanders | 17 | 343 | 5178 | 998 | 5.2 | 18 | 9 | 286 | 308 | 514 | 3252 | 26 | 9 | 5.8 | 155 | 441 | 1926 | 10 | 4.4 | 102 | 85 | 707 | 29 | 31.5 | 7.6 | 7.28 |
| 5 | New York Jets | 17 | 316 | 5288 | 1093 | 4.8 | 16 | 4 | 310 | 347 | 556 | 3220 | 15 | 12 | 5.4 | 166 | 492 | 2068 | 14 | 4.2 | 117 | 90 | 707 | 27 | 32.3 | 8.3 | 25.96 |
| 6 | New Orleans Saints | 17 | 345 | 5352 | 1076 | 5.0 | 14 | 7 | 319 | 322 | 536 | 3134 | 17 | 7 | 5.4 | 159 | 492 | 2218 | 14 | 4.5 | 122 | 92 | 798 | 38 | 34.8 | 7.1 | -30.60 |
| 9 | New England Patriots | 17 | 347 | 5474 | 1091 | 5.0 | 30 | 11 | 314 | 364 | 596 | 3681 | 28 | 19 | 5.7 | 194 | 441 | 1793 | 7 | 4.1 | 90 | 89 | 699 | 30 | 30.5 | 14.2 | 55.35 |
| 10 | Tampa Bay Buccaneers | 17 | 358 | 5513 | 1073 | 5.1 | 20 | 10 | 314 | 364 | 570 | 3461 | 29 | 10 | 5.6 | 186 | 458 | 2052 | 12 | 4.5 | 103 | 97 | 863 | 25 | 33.0 | 10.2 | -36.51 |
| 11 | Baltimore Ravens | 17 | 315 | 5513 | 1047 | 5.3 | 25 | 11 | 323 | 394 | 593 | 3947 | 20 | 14 | 6.2 | 206 | 406 | 1566 | 11 | 3.9 | 91 | 79 | 650 | 26 | 35.8 | 13.9 | -32.38 |
| 14 | Pittsburgh Steelers | 17 | 346 | 5617 | 1024 | 5.5 | 23 | 3 | 314 | 332 | 542 | 3779 | 29 | 20 | 6.5 | 196 | 442 | 1838 | 7 | 4.2 | 95 | 96 | 717 | 23 | 37.3 | 13.0 | -47.10 |
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
The Tampa defense ranked 28th in points allowed and 29th in yardage allowed the season before Brady signed there (and then won the SB). Brady helped the Bucs cut their turnovers from 41 to 17. That dramatically helped the defense. There aren't any teams / situations like that this time around where simply limiting turnovers could change a team's outlook.
As for needing a Top 15 defense to win the SB, that pretty much applies to any other QB as well. This year, the Chiefs are the exception (they rank 16th in points allowed). The three other teams rank in the Top 8.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Just retire.
Capella
Footballguy
Oh god you aren’t a Kyle Trask believer are you
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Not necessarily. Just ready to move on from Tom. Thanks for the Super Bowl and two great seasons where he cared.
He’s done here, man. The Bucs were a perfect storm for him and his skill set. But, he quit, and his teammates knew it.
Capella
Footballguy
Yea man 4-13 sounds great.
Brady quit? Lol that’s a new one. Haven’t seen anybody say that.
Do you have any evidence that Brady quit?
Grahamburn
Footballguy
He retired. Changed his mind. Missed two weeks of training camp. Missed walk throughs to attend parties. Then played like garbage on gameday after.
Maybe quit isn’t the right term, but he was certainly checked out, and he was definitely not all in on this season for the Bucs, and his teammates knew it.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
An 8-9 season with a cupcake schedule and an embarrassing playoff loss is better? This team is in cap Hell now. Kicking the can for another mediocre year with Old Man Tom is not something I want to endure. Let some other team get caught in that musical chair.
The Bucs need a fresh start.
Capella
Footballguy
Stroud had a story today thst Giselle divorced him in training camp (or served him the papers I assumed). That’s why he left. That’s quitting to you?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Yeah, that's an odd stance. I mean his skills declined and he did what he could to avoid getting hit (but he's always done that) = but he still showed fire out on the field.
Capella
Footballguy
No thanks. The Bucs went through 13 years of fresh starts before they got this guy. Every season is different, I’m sure you didn’t see them going from 14 wins to 8 either. Things change fast, keep your good players if you can.
Capella
Footballguy
PFF’s 7th-ranked QB this year. You can certainly dispute if that’s too high or not, but he wasn’t garbage. You sound jilted by the guy. Bad seasons happen, you don’t throw it all in the trash unless you have to. Short-sighted.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I didn't think it would be as bad as it was, but once the interior of the line was decimated the writing was on the wall. If Marpet didn't retire and Jensen didn't get hurt maybe it was a different year, but those things did happen. Tom's skillset only seems to work when he has an impenetrable offense line, and we don't have that anymore.
Jilted? No. There's just a lot of smoke that he didn't and doesn't really want to be here. I appreciate what he brought us when he wanted to be here. If he truly wants to be in Tampa then commit. Player's careers are short (typically). Don't retire and then only come back if the HC is removed. Don't flirt with Miami to the point they lost a 1st round pick. Don't take two weeks off no matter what the reason while the rest of the team is grinding. Don't miss walk throughs and then get outplayed by Mitch Trubiskey.
This season was awful.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Just curious where you got the #7 ranking from. Is that regular season only? Looking at the current PFF list (which includes the playoffs), they have him tied for 12th with Rodgers. Purdy is currently ranked higher than him score wise, but he didn't play many games.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I was referring to that specific game against Pittsburgh where he missed a walk through to attend a party with Robert Kraft. I don't know how they procure their rankings, but we certainly didn't have the 7th best offense. The QB needs to take a little of that blame.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
What QB will excel with a Swiss cheese OL, injuries to pretty much all his receivers, and the worst rushing attack in the league (by far)? I agree that the times I watch Tampa, the offense looked out of whack and Brady didn't always seem as focused and engaged as other seasons. Pick any other QB to replace Brady this year, and what would have changed?
Capella
Footballguy
Yea to be fair on that the last time I looked was after week 17. I didn’t know they included playoffs, where he was certainly very bad.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
He went to Kraft's wedding. It's not like he and Bob went on a bender and attended a late-night rave. I can attest that Brady missed plenty of practices, walkthroughs, and training camp days when he was in NE, and it made no difference. Tampa lost to PIT by 2 points on the road and had a chance to tie it late but missed a 2-point conversion. It's not like they lost 38-3.
Capella
Footballguy
Brady wasn’t great this year by any stretch. But he wasn’t terrible either, and getting a replacement who could be even close to as good as him is almost impossible. They’ll have to reset at some point but I see no reason to expedite that process if the team has a choice.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
You think he's coming back if he plays? I don't see it.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
In the people-will-do-anything-for-clicks category, I have seen some media speculation trying to connect some dots to get Brady back to NE.
Apparently, when Leftwich was up for some head coaching opportunities last year, TB12 had Bill O’Brien as his first choice to become OC in Tampa. Leftwich stayed put, so they obviously didn’t bring in BOB.
Now there are some media folks suggesting that NE bringing BOB in as OC gets the Pats in the mix as a Brady landing spot for 2023. I don’t see it, but hot takes make the world go round.
Apparently, when Leftwich was up for some head coaching opportunities last year, TB12 had Bill O’Brien as his first choice to become OC in Tampa. Leftwich stayed put, so they obviously didn’t bring in BOB.
Now there are some media folks suggesting that NE bringing BOB in as OC gets the Pats in the mix as a Brady landing spot for 2023. I don’t see it, but hot takes make the world go round.
Capella
Footballguy
A few weeks ago I thought Tampa was a lock if he returned. Now I’ll say they are still the favorite but it isn’t clear. Just reading the tea leaves I doubt he wants to go out west so I really don’t know what his options are.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
I think when he sees what his options are, he will retire. If I were a team in QB purgatory, not sure I'd want him. His arm looked like jello. His feet were stagnant. This isn't like when he left NE. There's not much in the tank. He hit 45 which was his goal. His best option is likely to be Las Vegas. And really, is that worth it? Time to enjoy the golf course, play with your kids, and find another supermodel to lay around with,
Tanner9919
Footballguy
he's toast. he can't throw , it's over.
I'd be shocked if he surfaces anywhere but in the booth or pre/post game show duties.
I'd be shocked if he surfaces anywhere but in the booth or pre/post game show duties.
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
Not as accurate, check, not moving as well in the pocket and clearly more adverse to taking hits, check. Jell-O arm who can't throw anymore? As Dr Evil would say, how bout Nooooo, not at all what I saw. Should he retire? Maybe, but he is still better than most currently playing and if he finds the right situation he can make a good team better. The end is nigh, but like his dad said quite some time ago, they are going to have to drag him off the field (figuratively people). He is a gladiator and I wouldn't want it any other way.
Dizzy
Footballguy
Don't the Patriots already have a QB named Mac Jones?
Maybe Brady should start placekicking. Then he could George Blanda it around for a few more years while tapping Instagram models.
This is all solid rationale reasoning.
I'd just add people are glossing over the human factor of all of this. He might have got served divorce papers in the middle of camp and apparently he lost 15 pounds. Obviously he was going through a lot of stuff and that's significant for someone who relies on their mental ability to such a large degree, especially as the physical ability dwindles.
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