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QB Mac Jones, JAX (2 Viewers)
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FairWarning
Footballguy
Both in the same spot with $25 mil options after next season.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I think it’s a bit early in his career to cast that judgement.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m now wondering if the Pats are in on a move for Fields.
zamboni
Footballguy
Sometimes it's better to just absorb the sunk cost and move on. Jets are doing the same thing with Zach Wilson.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Probably. He’s a better backup QB than CJ Beathard. The injuries to TLaw last year left them in a pinch.
And then re-sign him next year to backup numbers?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
No, use him cheap this year & let him go for whomever their next backup is.
massraider
Footballguy
Because the guys who liked him got fired. New coaches always think, if I am gonna get fired, it's with my guys.
Teams that change coaches, they ALWAYS let a few players go that they shouldn't. Those cheapo free agents that come from teams with new coaches, you can always find a diamond in there
massraider
Footballguy
Hey, TLaw goes down, and Mac Jones comes in and looks great, maybe it's a nice comp pick for JAX
Mac was always going to get a fresh start, though he made more sense working with offensive guru's like McVay or Kyle for a year, two teams not set at backup QB with like 11 draft picks. Guess they did not want him, I'm a little surprised by that especially since at one point Kyle might have really wanted him at 3.
Guess only good news for Mac is he gets to return to his hometown in Jacksonville, can probably show Trevor any Waffle Houses he don't know about.
Guess only good news for Mac is he gets to return to his hometown in Jacksonville, can probably show Trevor any Waffle Houses he don't know about.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I would guess probably not (but at this point they are assessing every option under the sun). Reading the tea leaves, it sounds like they like Daniels but are not as sold on Maye. Connecting the dots, they would probably trade down if Williams and Daniels go 1-2. IMO, it appears as if they are hoping to get a more dynamic passer than Fields. One year of cheap Fields as an experiment would be fine, but they would have to opt in for his $25 million option now. Not sure they want to pay him that, and not sure they want him as a one year rental in a trade.
Don't see them targeting Cousins. They will likely end up with someone like Brissett / Flacco / Minshew. I suppose I could see them dropping down and taking McCarthy (depends where though) . . . or trading back into the late first to take Penix or Nix. McCarthy seems to be shooting up the draft board, and I am not sure they would want to invest the draft capital to take him. They could also just wait to see if anyone falls to them at pick 35.
Insein
Footballguy
Mac was awful. Fields will still get a decent haul. Can't compare the two.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Patriots should have stuck with him -- he just needed a few more seasons.
massraider
Footballguy
Patriots finalizing deal to send Mac Jones to Jaguars
The trade cannot be processed until the new league year, which begins Wednesday.
theathletic.com
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Define what a "decent haul" is. A late third? A fourth and a sixth? Lance went for a 4th. Jones went for a 6th. Who knows what Wilson will go for (not a lot) Is Fields that much better?
Mac still had a better record and a better passer rating across their short careers. A lot of teams prefer QBs that are primarily passers. Jones has thrown for 2,300 more yards.
From what I have seen, CHI hasn't been getting much traction in what they initially wanted for Fields, and there are enough free agents and incoming rookies that there could be a limited market for him. IIRC, they wanted a second, which may have already dropped to a third. Teams know the Bears likely want Williams, so Chicago won't want to keep Fields around.
Capella
Footballguy
They’ve both been pretty awful. Mac more so but Fields hasn’t been much to speak of.
5 QBs drafted in the top 15 in 2021. Only 1 is considered a franchise QB 3 years later. In 2020, there were only 3 QBs drafted top 15 and all (if you count Tua) are franchise QBs. It was 1 of 3 in 2019. It's a tough position to evaluate.
Mac looked like a sure thing after his first year. In the games vs MIA he took alot of hits in the pocket waiting until the last instant to make a throw, and most were accurate. I wonder if he took too many hits, became gunshy, leading to bad throws. He wasn't awful in 2021.
Mac looked like a sure thing after his first year. In the games vs MIA he took alot of hits in the pocket waiting until the last instant to make a throw, and most were accurate. I wonder if he took too many hits, became gunshy, leading to bad throws. He wasn't awful in 2021.
Shocker he didn't succeed following the GOAT.
That said, he almost never looked comfortable to me and idk what the deal is with that. I can remember some spots his rookie year and maybe one here n there but geesh why are you so uncomfortable?
I don't like the landing spot for playing time but whatever.
He needs to relax, make himself at home, KISS, and a thousand other cliches suit him.
He might still have a promising career, might be a fine backup, maybe nothing but...we aren't gonna know til he gets comfy.
Pederson knows what he's doing and Mac just needs to relax and be a student. Find a beach, become one of the guys again, ...thousand cliches
That said, he almost never looked comfortable to me and idk what the deal is with that. I can remember some spots his rookie year and maybe one here n there but geesh why are you so uncomfortable?
I don't like the landing spot for playing time but whatever.
He needs to relax, make himself at home, KISS, and a thousand other cliches suit him.
He might still have a promising career, might be a fine backup, maybe nothing but...we aren't gonna know til he gets comfy.
Pederson knows what he's doing and Mac just needs to relax and be a student. Find a beach, become one of the guys again, ...thousand cliches
Anarchy99
Footballguy
To be fair to Mac, NE did all they could to mess him up. Different OC each season. Very few weapons. Swiss cheese of an OL. Show me a list of young QBs that excelled with that trifecta. As things got worse, so did Jones, as he tried harder to make plays but wound up only making bad decisions instead. I don't think many other QBs (young or old) would have fared much better with the the offense NE was playing with.
-OZ-
Footballguy
I don’t know if any QB could have succeeded in that dreck following the GOAT
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Zappe had some nice moments.
Beathard and the other guy were fine backups in San Fran and then they weren't. I never knew what happened to them. One of them started and got 400 yards or four TDs and just oh OK this kid can play and then pfffft.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
IMO, Zappe was an illusion. He had a few good throws / plays, but overall Jones had better numbers.
JONES: 85.8 passer rating, 212 ypg, 66% completion%, 2.8% INT%
ZAPPE: 78.5 passer rating, 146 ypg, 63% completion%, 3.9% INT%
massraider
Footballguy
I've never been a Mac Jones guy, but:
he looked good his 1st year under McDaniels as OC, and the 2nd year they gave him Matt Patricia. Everyone agreed it was a disaster. Then in year 3, he has someone else. And they gave him a room full of spare parts on offense.
Why would he have looked comfortable?
He was an overrated 1st round prospect, but as a reclamation project, I think he's a much better backup than most other teams have.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Other than the OC's, the offensive roster didn't really change all that much across the years. They transitioned from Harris to Stevenson. They swapped out Agholor and Harry (both useless) for Thompson (useless) and Douglas (decent enough).
The main changes were they let Meyers walk for JJSS (that was a disaster). And they swapped out Mason for Strange at guard. They also let Wynn go at tackle (who wasn't great but ended up being better than any of the guys they tried to replace him with). Jones seemed to do more with an equally mediocre supporting cast in Year 1 vs. Year 2 or Year 3.
Insein
Footballguy
Fields has shown way more in athletic ability and improved passing last year. If we want to talk injury concerns, that's possible.
The only thing that could come into question is how bad Chicago plays their hand. If they make it clear they are not bringing him back in any way, then they probably don't get more than a 3rd. I think if they're willing to keep him (or at least show they are) they could get a first plus.
rockaction
Footballguy
This is just my opinion and I don't know his market for sure, but I've gotta say that this is just massively unlikely. Nobody is spending a first for Fields. They were hoping for a second.
Lots of QBs have had moments where they look comfortable on bad teams or with bad coaches.
You're never gonna win with an uncomfortable quarterback or point guard in either sport.
I don't think Minshew has ever truly been uncomfortable.
I'm here. We got this. Let's go.
Tommy Cutlets had plenty of moments and that team with a garbage line and inexperienced ineffective WRs and without a decent back (when Saquan was hurt) somehow was in games.
They're leaders first and the sports set it up. The huddle, the guy who barks out the plays...they're leaders first.
massraider
Footballguy
This makes McDaniels looks good, and BB the GM look bad.
People are fussing over adding weapons in CHI, because they cannot roll into 2024 with these weapons, DJ Moore needs help, etc etc. Mac Jones daydreams about 2023 Chicago weapons, and the Pats have not improved his surrounding cast.
It's a collective answer to why Mac didn't work out. 3 OCs in 3 years, and the supporting cast was bad, and maybe worse the last two years.
I used to read these things about Raiders players every year.
massraider
Footballguy
I don't care if we want to disparage the guy's mental makeup, I am completely ready to believe he's a jagoff.
But if he was, and is, he was a jagoff in a crap situation.
We don't need to prop up the Pats garbage situation, just to run down Mac Jones.
We can do both.
And I am totally here for it.
People are just hanging onto Fields athleticism and hope they had when he was drafted.
His stats don't back up what's said.
That "the other guy" came in and led their team well spoke volumes and I'm sure that's a big reason the Bears are moving on.
It's like Lance part II. Give it a little time and it'll be normal. We all take time to shake off crushes
It's impossible, and you are right, they are hoping for a second and would jump on it. My prediction is he'll get traded for two 4th's, one this year and a conditional 4th in 2025. Feel like a conditional pick involved makes to much sense. If not then maybe just a stand alone third.
People can believe what they want but here is latest today from Graziano/Fowler.
The idea that Chicago could get a second-round pick for Fields no longer seems likely, but it's always possible that one of these QB-needy teams will get panicky once other options fly off the board, so it behooves GM Ryan Poles to wait. Right now, the message the Bears are getting back from teams is that they don't consider Fields more of a sure thing than other potential one-year options such as Sam Darnold or Drew Lock, who wouldn't come with the fifth-year option decision that Fields' eventual team will have to make by early May.
Last-minute NFL free agency buzz: What we're hearing on how signings, trades and cuts could shake out
Here's the latest intel on top free agents -- like Kirk Cousins, Baker Mayfield and Calvin Ridley -- and what teams could do this week.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Fields improved to 22nd in passer rating, 22nd in INT%, 22nd in YPA, 23rd in yards per game, 29th in completion percentage, 29th in success%, and 31st in sack%. Those were his rankings in the season he improved as a passer. Part of that is surrounding talent, coaching, and play calling. But a compelling case could be made that Fields was a Bottom 10 starting QB last season.
What his market is is a different question, but I have my doubts what team will give up much to take him on with only one cheap year left on his rookie deal.
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Capella
Footballguy
I would say there’s no chance of a first for him. I highly doubt they can even get a second. Maybe a third and a sixth. That’s my guess.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Really surprised the Vikings didn’t give it a shot for that cost. Do they have a plan “B” if Cousin’s is not back? Jones played much worse than I thought he would but did not have much to work with and had to deal with Patricia calling plays and Bill assembling his casting mates.
Insein
Footballguy
What would Jalen Hurts get if the Eagles were to trade him right now? My feeling is Fields is one good coaching season away from being the same as Hurts. Of course it is Chicago front office and they seem to have mismanaged this whole thing. I wouldn't settle for less than a 1st and be willing to move forward with him as my QB.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Value!
osubuckeyeman
Footballguy
This sounds a lot like teams selling a narrative. Whatever works. I'm not buying that but maybe the Bears will.It's impossible, and you are right, they are hoping for a second and would jump on it. My prediction is he'll get traded for two 4th's, one this year and a conditional 4th in 2025. Feel like a conditional pick involved makes to much sense. If not then maybe just a stand alone third.
People can believe what they want but here is latest today from Graziano/Fowler.
The idea that Chicago could get a second-round pick for Fields no longer seems likely, but it's always possible that one of these QB-needy teams will get panicky once other options fly off the board, so it behooves GM Ryan Poles to wait. Right now, the message the Bears are getting back from teams is that they don't consider Fields more of a sure thing than other potential one-year options such as Sam Darnold or Drew Lock, who wouldn't come with the fifth-year option decision that Fields' eventual team will have to make by early May.
Last-minute NFL free agency buzz: What we're hearing on how signings, trades and cuts could shake out
Here's the latest intel on top free agents -- like Kirk Cousins, Baker Mayfield and Calvin Ridley -- and what teams could do this week.www.espn.com
I expect to see someone pay Drew Lock some good green then right? The dude is sitting on my Waiver Wire. I guess I missed my window. He will cost way too much at our next bidding. Darnold is there as well. Dag gone it.
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
Mac was a fighting a losing battle in his second year and the true missing pieces of maturity and character became very evident.
He lost me with the dirty slide. Hard to root for that guy
He lost me with the dirty slide. Hard to root for that guy
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
Not that there was much doubt, but doesn’t this move lock the Pats into taking a QB with their first pick?
Boston
Footballguy
I think this move was happening no matter what their plans are.
osubuckeyeman
Footballguy
It makes the pick more of a premium to move if they decide not to use it for drafting a QB. They still have the same option as before they moved Mac. On paper it would appear they are going to stick and pick BUT if a team wants the pick it now costs a bit more. At least that is how I would think of it. They might be in love with Daniels or another QB or they might not. I could see a world where they move off the pick make a trade for Fields and see how the Van Pelt offense works with Justin Fields. The Patriots need a lot of pieces. Moving back would be a really good idea. Get some more picks and build the roster. The point is that nothing has changed. They have a lot of options.
Jacoby Brissett would also fit. I believe he has been in the offense. I think the Pats should get him regardless of whatever else they do.
