I'm curious, what has Portland done to change the police force? It's nothing substantial as far as I have readHow's that defund the police experiment working out?
Oof.
I mean holy ####, embarrassing.
Those numbers could not more closely correspond to the defunding of the department last June.
And during the Biden administration.Hasn’t pretty much every major city in the country seen spikes in violent crime during the pandemic?
I'm honestly interested in the cause and effect of it all.Hasn’t pretty much every major city in the country seen spikes in violent crime during the pandemic?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/191134/reported-murder-and-nonnegligent-manslaughter-cases-in-the-us-since-1990/And during the Biden administration.
Hasn't pretty much every major city in the country seen hundreds of police officers quit and retire due to lack of public support over the past year?Hasn’t pretty much every major city in the country seen spikes in violent crime during the pandemic?
Crime is up everywhere. Including lots of places not like Portland. See aboveCriminals are emboldened these days. People have been able to run amuck in place like Portland with little, to no consequences. It's not surprising really.
Yea......risk/reward not worth it.Hasn't pretty much every major city in the country seen hundreds of police officers quit and retire due to lack of public support over the past year?
Of course.....it's just amplified in places like Portland.Crime is up everywhere. Including lots of places not like Portland. See above
Again i think you are being a little myopic. I was just in salt lake (I live in seattle) and salt lake city has way worse homeless problemsOf course.....it's just amplified in places like Portland.
I don't live far from Portland and I can tell you the homeless camps continue to grow and there is a definite criminal element.
I find it hard to believe Salt lake has a bigger homeless problem than seattleAgain i think you are being a little myopic. I was just in salt lake (I live in seattle) and salt lake city has way worse homeless problems
Personally i think it is all tied together for sure. More poor people, more people on drugs, more people mentally ill, more expensive cities, etc...it all is coming together.
I don't know if it's bigger. It seemed that way because there were a lot of them. i was really surprised honestly. I was also surprised by the huge homeless population i saw last time i was in phoenix.I find it hard to believe Salt lake has a bigger homeless problem than seattle
AOC says it is just hysteria.Hasn’t pretty much every major city in the country seen spikes in violent crime during the pandemic?
I wonder if anything happened around this time last year that might have led to widespread lawlessness.Crime is up everywhere. Including lots of places not like Portland. See above
if you are suggesting that because of the protests that police officers are no longer doing their job and letting people murder others with impunity. I would hope not and if they are they shouldn't be police officersI wonder if anything happened around this time last year that might have led to widespread lawlessness.
Yup. Portland, this Jan in D.C.....lawlessness isn't being brought down with a hammer so it's emboldening people to behave badly.Criminals are emboldened these days. People have been able to run amuck in place like Portland with little, to no consequences. It's not surprising really.
Seriously? You read the article you linked right?I'm curious, what has Portland done to change the police force? It's nothing substantial as far as I have read
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/portland-ore-leaders-walk-tightrope-between-calls-defund-police-escalating-n1272196
My understanding is that those were volunteers and if you read the article the staffing shortages have been ongoing.Seriously? You read the article you linked right?
$15M budget cut + anti police politics = 100's of cops retiring early, the entire crowd control team quit, those working afraid to actually do anything.
So you are able to connect the shortages with the defunding and anti police sentiment. Good.My understanding is that those were volunteers and if you read the article the staffing shortages have been ongoing.
What? It says right in there that they have struggled with shortages for years so I can't see the connection.So you are able to connect the shortages with the defunding and anti police sentiment. Good.
That's another good point...How many times has a policeman actually stopped a murder in process?
Your own link, again.What? It says right in there that they have struggled with shortages for years so I can't see the connection.
A survey conducted by the Police Executive Research Forum found a 45 percent increase in retirement rates among responding departments. Agencies also reported an 18 percent increase in resignations between April 2020 and March 2021.
“There are many departments that simply cannot deliver police work the way they were delivering before because of the resignations and early retirements,”
Sorry that's all Cities, i was referencing Portland. Also from the linkYour own link, again.
You are almost there, now link again what happened in the last year with Portland retirements and resignations - boom, you will have connected the dots.Sorry that's all Cities, i was referencing Portland. Also from the link
Staffing problems with the Portland Police Bureau are not necessarily new. The city has grappled with the issue since at least 2019 when the department had some 130 vacancies. In an effort to recruit new members, the bureau changed everything from hiring requirements to grooming and tattoo standards.
I don't really want to get into a ### for tat here. My reference was to mostly to Portland not having really done anything radical. Yes they cut $15 million from the budget but the budget is also $250 million and as someone that has/continues to work with City finances I can say policing goes up way faster than anything else so I'm not sure that cut is all that critical
They had 130 vacancies in 2019 and I'm not sure they how many they have now and I can't find it on the web.You are almost there, now link again what happened in the last year with Portland retirements and resignations - boom, you will have connected the dots.
It depends on the compensation and risks. In the high-paying police departments in Miami-Dade County, which would be Miami, the County, and Miami Beach, I haven't heard about officers retiring from their good paying jobs with sweet retirement plans, with overtime pay to jack up the pension payout. And lots of off-duty assignments. I'm not saying it's not deserving, but I've seen many officers retire before 50 with a 6-figure pension. The Parkland cop, Scott Petersen is getting almost $9,000 a month, and he was a school cop for the last several years.Hasn't pretty much every major city in the country seen hundreds of police officers quit and retire due to lack of public support over the past year?
Seems a little snowflakey to quit your job due to lack of public support. I can't think of very many professions that have gotten more praise over my lifetime than police.Hasn't pretty much every major city in the country seen hundreds of police officers quit and retire due to lack of public support over the past year?
This is my point above as wellSeems a little snowflakey to quit your job due to lack of public support. I can't think of very many professions that have gotten more praise over my lifetime than police.
Exactly.I have trouble believing this is a major factor in murder rates.
It's so hard to get into an honest discussion in here because it's all just 'look at this example, your team sucks'Exactly.
My suspicion is that it’s for political reasons. Not necessarily from the OP but from wherever he gets his news.I'm looking at why Portland is being singled out here.
They didn't quit the force.Seriously? You read the article you linked right?
$15M budget cut + anti police politics = 100's of cops retiring early, the entire crowd control team quit (seems like they might be useful in... Portland right now?), those working afraid to actually do anything.
And it's only because one of them got held accountable. https://www.mcda.us/index.php/news/da-mike-schmidt-announces-portland-police-officer-indicted-over-august-2020-use-of-force-incident/All of the members who resigned from the team are still employed with Portland police and will continue with their regular assignments
So according to the libs the police are racist, brutal...and now "snowflakey." Seems a bit of a personality contradiction but nothing a few cure-all mental health dollars wouldn't rectify I suppose.Seems a little snowflakey to quit your job due to lack of public support. I can't think of very many professions that have gotten more praise over my lifetime than police.
I don't really think they are. I find it very hard to believe that they would quit their jobs or retire because of lack of support from the public. It's far more likely that they retire because they have some of the highest paying pensions in the countrySo according to the libs the police are racist, brutal...and now "snowflakey." Seems a bit of a personality contradiction but nothing a few cure-all mental health dollars wouldn't rectify I suppose.
And yet our home prices continue to skyrocket. Laugh away, citizens.Portland continues to be a laughing spot for the country.
Florida, Texas, Arizona, Idaho and everywhere else in the country says hi! Without the liberal city crime and homelessness.And yet our home prices continue to skyrocket. Laugh away, citizens.
The best weedAnd yet our home prices continue to skyrocket. Laugh away, citizens.
this is trueCriminals are emboldened these days. People have been able to run amuck in place like Portland with little, to no consequences. It's not surprising really.