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Official Zach Zenner Thread - Oh yeeaaaaaaah. (2 Viewers)
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freeannyong
Footballguy
Correct. Lions aren't going to play AA/Riddick as an everydown guy. So who is going to take the goal line work and rotate in? If Bell isn't playing that only leaves Wynn and Zenner and I would put Zenner ahead in that case
Bruce Hammond
Footballguy
Joique Bell - RB - Lions
Lions coach Jim Caldwell said RB Joique Bell is "moving along really well" in his recovery from offseason knee and Achilles surgeries.
Bell said he's made "good progress" though the Lions are still "playing it by ear." He hasn't suited up for any of the Lions' preseason games and has yet to resume practicing. Bell doesn't expect to be limited upon his return. Promising rookie Ameer Abdullah will have a role regardless of Bell's health.
Source: ESPN.com
Aug 30 - 9:47 AM
Zach Zenner - RB - Lions
ESPN Lions reporter Michael Rothstein expects RB Zach Zenner to play on special teams and get a "few carries here and there" if he makes the roster.
Zenner has piled on 162 rushing yards in three preseason appearances. He's likely done enough to secure a roster spot ahead of George Winn, though his workload won't be significant enough to warrant fantasy consideration.
Source: ESPN.com
Aug 30 - 9:59 AM
Lions coach Jim Caldwell said RB Joique Bell is "moving along really well" in his recovery from offseason knee and Achilles surgeries.
Bell said he's made "good progress" though the Lions are still "playing it by ear." He hasn't suited up for any of the Lions' preseason games and has yet to resume practicing. Bell doesn't expect to be limited upon his return. Promising rookie Ameer Abdullah will have a role regardless of Bell's health.
Source: ESPN.com
Aug 30 - 9:47 AM
Zach Zenner - RB - Lions
ESPN Lions reporter Michael Rothstein expects RB Zach Zenner to play on special teams and get a "few carries here and there" if he makes the roster.
Zenner has piled on 162 rushing yards in three preseason appearances. He's likely done enough to secure a roster spot ahead of George Winn, though his workload won't be significant enough to warrant fantasy consideration.
Source: ESPN.com
Aug 30 - 9:59 AM
Mt. Man
Footballguy
There's some hype that they'll list him as a FB in order to for him to make the roster cut. Perhaps even use him as FB especially in short-yardage situations, but that's jumping the gun a little. Still, even that would be a big boost for someone who was expected to be on the practice squad before the Jags preseason game.
My guess is ZZ makes the cut and might have some impact while Bell recovers, but I don't see a lot here unless Bell stays hurt. Or maybe if ZZ proves too good to bench, but that would be after a few heavy RBBC weeks. I think if you're drafting 5 or 6 RBs anyway, there are worse lottery tickets, but minus predicting injury you might be looking at someone who's lucky to get 50 touches all year.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Dr. Jene Brammel is on Twitter speculating Bell has microfracture surgery. Lions beat reporter Dave Birkett is reporting that he was told Bell had surgery in January to clean up his knee and achilles. Obviously, it was more than that. Jene says microfracture recovery is about 9 months. That seems like it could be in line with what we are seeing. That might mean Bell is not ready for the first few weeks and there is no guarantee he comes back the same.
traderallenpoe
Footballguy
As someone who had microfracture surgery last year I can tell you it is a very big deal. If that is what Bell ended up having in January it would be extremely aggressive to assume he returns with NFL-caliber starting RB ability anytime soon.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
http://www.chiefsdigest.com/understanding-microfracture-helps-with-timeline/
Here is a good article to learn more. All micro-fractures are not equal. It depends on age, condition of the person with the injury, location of the injury (weight bearing vs non weight bearing) and the size of the injury. The article references Kelce. He had his microfracture surgery in October and it was recently reported that he wasn't able to start running until just before training camp. He also said he did not feel 100% (although when he got the ball, he sure looked 100%). I saw a separate study of NBA players that had the surgery. The average recovery time was 9 months which is basically right where Kelce was. That puts Joique into September/October. It is a troubling sign for Bell and a very positive sign for AA and ZZ.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yeah, slow the roll. Joique has been activated and is back.
Link includes video:
https://twitter.com/Lions/status/638434573664260097
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
I'm really considering dropping Shoelace for him and then I can have my personal all time back up/potential running backs (aka worst) stable.
Woodhead
McFadden
Matthews
C.Michael
D.Robinson
Woodhead
McFadden
Matthews
C.Michael
D.Robinson
I'm going to hold on to the dream. The guy looked great on the caries he got in preseason and all its going to take is a few carries in a real game for this to settle itself out. Definitely, not flashy. Doesn't dance or make guys miss. Just consistently does his job, hits the hole and uses speed to get around the corner. He's also a big kid that isn't afraid of contact. Academically superior athlete. Only real knock is the college production. 3x 2k season with a lot of carries against lesser opponents in blowout games. I understand this is an uphill battle, but there isn't a better Cinderella story in the league.
Chaka
Footballguy
I wouldn't count on Jim Caldwell having a quick hook for Joique. He seems to be from more of an old school camp and I imagine has a higher tolerance for a dependable veteran that he trusts even if he brings a low YPC. For at least the first half of the season I think injury is the only way that Zenner gets a shot at legitimate PT.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I would say that is very doubtful. The issue is not the performance of the RBs but poor offensive line play. That's not likely to change as it's not just injuries - they're just not very talented.
Zenner had zero offensive snaps Week 2, four on the season. Barring injury the opportunity will not be there for him in 2015. But it's quite possible I'm wrong, being a random internet guy and all.
Pipes
Footballguy
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Zenner is a nice get in dynasty if you have the space. In redraft, I'd be looking at Theo Riddick.
tone1oc
Footballguy
Yeah he's rostered in all of my dynasty leagues, I was asking specifically for redraft.
I'm thinking that Riddick's role doesn't change at all if Bell sits and that Abdullah/Zenner will split the missing carries. Big question for me is whether they'll feed all (or nearly all) of those carries to Abdullah or use Zenner in the same role as they've used Bell.
It's intriguing at the very least.
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
In the preseason (Joique didn't play at all) it was Riddick who got the starts and early down work. Then they mixed in Abdullah in a similar way to what is currently being done. Zenner came in after starters were pulled games 1/2, looked good, and got some run with the starters in game 3.
No idea what direction the DET backfield will go if Bell is out, but given how the line and run game has looked have a hard time backing any of them @SEA on MNF.
Gun to head, Theo gets several catches, perhaps some nice PPR totals as DET tries to play from behind.
No idea what direction the DET backfield will go if Bell is out, but given how the line and run game has looked have a hard time backing any of them @SEA on MNF.
Gun to head, Theo gets several catches, perhaps some nice PPR totals as DET tries to play from behind.
addicted2ff
Footballguy
Seems strange to me that there was a rotoblurb before last week's game that Joique's role will be reduced if he "doesn't find his old form soon," then doesn't have a good game, and now mysteriously has an ankle injury and isn't practicing even though there was no sign of such an injury in game.
I think the Lions are either planning to see what they have in Zenner or let Abdullah handle all of Joique's carries. If Joique misses practice again Friday I plan on picking up Zenner as an end of the bench stash and see how things play out.
I think the Lions are either planning to see what they have in Zenner or let Abdullah handle all of Joique's carries. If Joique misses practice again Friday I plan on picking up Zenner as an end of the bench stash and see how things play out.
Jack White
Footballguy
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
I dropped Jonas Gray for him.
Darryl Talley
Footballguy
Any chance he steals the job with a good performance?
kutta
Footballguy
Darryl Talley
Footballguy
I'm talking about Bell's job.kutta said:
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I think there's not only a chance, I think it's an inevitability. Bell is a journeyman who is both old and injured. He's 29 and the team is struggling. No reason to keep pounding him at 2 yards a carry as it isn't helping you win games.
mr roboto
Footballguy
Country strong. Hard worker. Coaches dream. Not the most athletic but picks up the nuances.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Reminds me of a mix between John Riggins and Peyton Hillis
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
jtd13
Footballguy
Real lunch pail type of guy. Like a mix of Danny Woodhead and Mike Alstott.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
1) ScrappyReal lunch pail type of guy. Like a mix of Danny Woodhead and Mike Alstott.
2) High motor
3) Gamer
4) Sneaky athletic
5) Gritty
6) Winner
7) High football IQ
8) Fundamentally sound
9) Plays the game the right way
10) Lunch pail guy
11) Heady and/or cerebral
12) Deceptive speed
13) Intangibles
14) Gets the most out of his abilities
15) Has a lot of heart
16) Grinder
17) Out-hustles
18) Someone you’d love your daughter to date
kutta
Footballguy
I know. And I still say no. He had a few good runs against third stringers in preseason. He will never be a relevant FF guy.
jtd13
Footballguy
He also had good runs against first stringers in the preseason. And he showed he is a very good athlete at the combine. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss him.
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I was pretty skeptical about ZZ because the odds were so long. Given Joique's work ethic I figured he'd hold onto the job. Just making the final 53 & being active three weeks in a row were pretty impressive accomplishments for an UDFA.
Now that he's apparently going to get an extended look as the big back, a couple things of note: it's not just that he ran well during preseason. You should also factor in a great TC, good mini-camp & the buzz from OTAs. I bring those things up because that kind of consistency goes a long ways toward gaining the trust of the coaches & confidence of teammates.
TOUGH matchup. But he's been doing all the right things for 4-1/2 months. He's game ready.
Now that he's apparently going to get an extended look as the big back, a couple things of note: it's not just that he ran well during preseason. You should also factor in a great TC, good mini-camp & the buzz from OTAs. I bring those things up because that kind of consistency goes a long ways toward gaining the trust of the coaches & confidence of teammates.
TOUGH matchup. But he's been doing all the right things for 4-1/2 months. He's game ready.
DropKick
Footballguy
So he can't jump or dance either?
Gopher State
Footballguy
ZZ might be the number one pick up after this week, the kid has a motor
AcerFC
Footballguy
I want to hop in but having a tough time pulling the trigger
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