Official Johnny Manziel Thread (1 Viewer)

[JuniorNB]

Just saw on Twitter that the Bears are 25-1 odds of landing Manziel.. Between Cutler and him, the levels of not giving a F would be astounding.

Is there a reason of some kind for the Bears?

Say the Cowboys didn't want Manziel. How many teams would want him? Fox and Manziel doesn't sound like a good match.

eta:

Sportsbook posts odds on Johnny Manziel's next team, and there's a heavy favorite

Which team will Johnny Manziel play for in 2016?

Cowboys EVEN

Rams 4-1

Browns 5-1

Eagles 6-1

49ers 9-1

Texans 15-1

Bears 25-1

Patriots 25-1

Dolphins 30-1

Any CFL Team 40-1

If Chip Kelley lands with S.F. I could see Billy Vegas there otherwise it's the Cowboys.

Chip would be torn. He loves versatile quarterbacks who can run, but hates low character, selfish players.

 

[Faust]

Billy Vegas likely hangs out with Ron Mexico

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Johnny Manziel - QB - Browns

Sources tell Yahoo's Charles Robinson that Browns QB Johnny Manziel would "love" to end up in Dallas.

It's the rumor that won't go away. Per Robinson's sources, "there is a real possibility (or hope) that team owner Jerry Jones will make that dream happen." Jones was infatuated with Manziel during the 2014 Draft, and Manziel has reportedly been pining for a return to Texas as his Browns "career" disintegrates. It's a click-worthy story, but we're skeptical any team will be willing to take on Manziel considering the trajectory his career is on.

Related: Cowboys

Source: Yahoo Sports

Jan 5 - 2:58 PM

 

[dickey moe]

If a drunk is all he is he would or could simply get bloto at home. The kid is an abuser of drugs and alcohol, I have no doubt, but his addiction is to excitement, to nightlife, to hotties and to being the center of attention. That he cannot get quietly at home.

Watch out, Brother! You are dangerously close to making sense, which means you may have to defend your position to a sizable contingent of new age rehab babies who are obsessively compelled to label every issue an "ism."

I may be immune to that sort of criticism. I am old enough that I am approaching my dotage. I am more or less tolerated my eccentricities as folks sort of feel sorry for my failing faculties. They see me as a dying anachronism. It is wonderful license really.

DW, you need to hang out in the Shark Pool more often.

 

[jabarony]

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[msommer]

Ghostguy said he isnt an alcoholic. Stop pretending he is.

Whether or not Manziel is an alcoholic can and might differ from whether that's the base "narrative" that will be in play by himself, his agent, his PR and his other handlers.

A lot of people years ago were a bit baffled when Sheriff Roger didn't completely hose down Aldon Smith the first time he had a public and messy alcohol issue. Well, alcohol is closely aligned profit wise with the NFL. Look at the beer commercials, look at alcohol sales during games, look at sports bars, even look at the college level where the "alumni" section is just a cordoned off heavy drinking area for people who give big money to their old universities.

When it comes to alcohol specifically, the NFL will and does tread very carefully. There is no PR spin control that can disassociate big business with alcohol from the NFL and the football culture in general. Kind of a tough way to deal with an issue when your stadiums are pumping out beer by the truckload, booze banners and sponsors are everywhere, fans are cheering at sports bars with drinks in their hands, and then Goodell tells some player that he's an alcoholic POS who needs to spend a year away from the league.

Alcoholic or not, the right play to minimize any kind of league backlash, Manziel SHOULD play the alcoholic card. There are also a lot of functional alcoholics and recovering alcoholics in the press corps, which will further generate sympathy for him.

Yep, Like they do for Justin Blackmon.....

 

[amnesiac]

flying out of CLE today and have a connecting flight through Vegas.

if i run into Jimmy i'll ask him for his autograph and tell him he's one of my favorite drinkers.

 

[Old Smiley]

There was a tweet last night that someone saw a plane with a Dallas Cowboys star on the tail at the Cleveland airport.

 

[menobrown]

There was a tweet last night that someone saw a plane with a Dallas Cowboys star on the tail at the Cleveland airport

It was New Orleans.

 

[Old Smiley]

Better rumour my way, but suit yourself.

ETA: They both have a Lakefront airport. I swear I looked it up.

 

[menobrown]

Better rumour my way, but suit yourself.

ETA: They both have a Lakefront airport. I swear I looked it up.

Jerry was bar hopping in the French Quarter but that led to better rumor(Payton) than JFF.

Even if Dallas ever acquired Manziel he would no longer get the private jet treatment anyway.

 

[Faust]

LeBron James' agency ends marketing deal with Johnny Manziel

 

[Faust]

Johnny Manziel cited for driving with expired license plates

 

[KellysHeroes]

The only thing Johnny doesn't have is a crazy celebrity GF/Wife. Someone along the lines of a Miley Cyrus. Thankfully, he has the off-season to add that to his arsenal.

He would actually have to be successful to get one of those

 

[dirtyjay]

The only thing Johnny doesn't have is a crazy celebrity GF/Wife. Someone along the lines of a Miley Cyrus. Thankfully, he has the off-season to add that to his arsenal.

He would actually have to be successful to get one of those

Being an NFL QB, a Heisman winner and a first round pick and having millions isnt success? May not be NFL success, but he is successful.

He has some issues, but he has had much success and still may find some.

Food for thought: Name the last "successful" Cleveland Brown?

 

[Ookie Pringle]

The only thing Johnny doesn't have is a crazy celebrity GF/Wife. Someone along the lines of a Miley Cyrus. Thankfully, he has the off-season to add that to his arsenal.

He would actually have to be successful to get one of those

Being an NFL QB, a Heisman winner and a first round pick and having millions isnt success? May not be NFL success, but he is successful.

He has some issues, but he has had much success and still may find some.

Food for thought: Name the last "successful" Cleveland Brown?

Some issues? He has major issues that could cost him his NFL career. He won't be viewed as successful if he continues on the path he is taking.

 

[Arodin]

Food for thought: Name the last "successful" Cleveland Brown?

Fun game! Can I take Belichick, or do I have to find a player?

If I need a player, I'll go with Andy Lee.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Dude is going to be less relevant than "the Situation" from the Jersey Shore inside of two years.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

BTW, his partying is not hurting me any. His employer has a right to be upset, but me, I just like following his antics. I never expected anything other than what he is producing. Frankly, if anything, his success thus far has exceeded my expectations.

 

[zeeshan2]

theScore

✔@theScore

Johnny Manziel cited for driving with expired license plates. http://thesco.re/1PgQdfr

8:21 AM - 7 Jan 2016

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

theScore
✔@theScoreJohnny Manziel cited for driving with expired license plates. http://thesco.re/1PgQdfr

8:21 AM - 7 Jan 2016

Lets look for the positive. The headline could have been Police confirm Manziel sober and drug free, at the moment.

 

[JuniorNB]

theScore
✔@theScoreJohnny Manziel cited for driving with expired license plates. http://thesco.re/1PgQdfr

8:21 AM - 7 Jan 2016

Lets look for the positive. The headline could have been Police confirm Manziel sober and drug free, at the moment.

LOL That's what I was thinking. The fact that he was DNUI is astonishing to me.

 

[TripItUp]

Anybody who believes Manziel's career is even close to finished is kidding themselves.

The kid is five years younger than Weeden was in his first season...and has demonstrated more upside while not putting forth his best effort.

He'll have a shot for years.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

From the latest A to Z.podcast.

http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2016/01/06/the-future-of-johnny-football-the-a-to-z-podcast-with-andre-knott-and-zac-jackson

The Future of Johnny Football — The A to Z Podcast With Andre Knott and Zac Jackson Posted By Vince Grzegorek vgrzegorek@clevescene.com> on Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 7:51 amAndre and Zac didn't really discuss Johnny Manziel in their first podcast after the Browns cleaned house. On the second, they get there to discuss Billy and the future of Johnny Football.

Give it a listen if you have the time where you will hear the following:

- Johnny showed up drunk this week

- Johnny did not have a concussion and wasn't in the concussion protocol he was asked to leave the facility

- Last year Johnny did not get hurt early in the Carolina game. He quit because it was after the beating he took in the Cincinnati game and he knew he wasn't prepared and didn't want to embarrass himself.

He's got real pressing and uncontrollable problems.

He is on a personal path to destruction.

He is done in Cleveland and quite frankly his NFL career is essentially over.

 

[JuniorNB]

From the latest A to Z.podcast.

http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2016/01/06/the-future-of-johnny-football-the-a-to-z-podcast-with-andre-knott-and-zac-jackson

The Future of Johnny Football — The A to Z Podcast With Andre Knott and Zac Jackson Posted By Vince Grzegorek vgrzegorek@clevescene.com> on Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 7:51 amAndre and Zac didn't really discuss Johnny Manziel in their first podcast after the Browns cleaned house. On the second, they get there to discuss Billy and the future of Johnny Football.

Give it a listen if you have the time where you will hear the following:

- Johnny showed up drunk this week

- Johnny did not have a concussion and wasn't in the concussion protocol he was asked to leave the facility

- Last year Johnny did not get hurt early in the Carolina game. He quit because it was after the beating he took in the Cincinnati game and he knew he wasn't prepared and didn't want to embarrass himself.

He's got real pressing and uncontrollable problems.

He is on a personal path to destruction.

He is done in Cleveland and quite frankly his NFL career is essentially over.

As long as Jerry Jones still owns the Cowboys, media circus guys like Manziel will always have a soft landing spot. But once he blows that, he'll be on a cable reality show.

 

[amnesiac]

Anybody who believes Manziel's career is even close to finished is kidding themselves.

The kid is five years younger than Weeden was in his first season...and has demonstrated more upside while not putting forth his best effort.

He'll have a shot for years.

he'll be on a roster next year. year after he'll be invited to a camp and then cut.

might work out for a team after that.

and then done.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

He'll have a shot for years.

That is somewhat true....he won't have just one shot for years...he will be having plenty of shots while he is out partying.

 

[mr roboto]

Anybody who believes Manziel's career is even close to finished is kidding themselves.

The kid is five years younger than Weeden was in his first season...and has demonstrated more upside while not putting forth his best effort.

He'll have a shot for years.

Maybe, if he didn't have the baggage.

 

[DocHolliday]

Anybody who believes Manziel's career is even close to finished is kidding themselves.

The kid is five years younger than Weeden was in his first season...and has demonstrated more upside while not putting forth his best effort.

He'll have a shot for years.

he'll be on a roster next year.year after he'll be invited to a camp and then cut.

might work out for a team after that.

and then done.

I think he bounces around the league for years. Teams are always desperate for QBs.

 

[JuniorNB]

Anybody who believes Manziel's career is even close to finished is kidding themselves.

The kid is five years younger than Weeden was in his first season...and has demonstrated more upside while not putting forth his best effort.

He'll have a shot for years.

he'll be on a roster next year.year after he'll be invited to a camp and then cut.

might work out for a team after that.

and then done.

I think he bounces around the league for years. Teams are always desperate for QBs.

But quarterbacks with average talent are a dime a dozen. Teams aren't going to choose a drug addict, drunk, manchild over an adult, responsible, good teammate quarterback. So he either has to get much much better, or grow up a lot.

 

[davearm]

If you're a media member or just a fan of trainwrecks, JFF is truly the gift that keeps on giving.

 

[amnesiac]

Anybody who believes Manziel's career is even close to finished is kidding themselves.

The kid is five years younger than Weeden was in his first season...and has demonstrated more upside while not putting forth his best effort.

He'll have a shot for years.

he'll be on a roster next year.year after he'll be invited to a camp and then cut.

might work out for a team after that.

and then done.

I think he bounces around the league for years. Teams are always desperate for QBs.

But quarterbacks with average talent are a dime a dozen. Teams aren't going to choose a drug addict, drunk, manchild over an adult, responsible, good teammate quarterback. So he either has to get much much better, or grow up a lot.

this is why guys like Josh McCown are still in the league.

 

[JuniorNB]

Anybody who believes Manziel's career is even close to finished is kidding themselves.

The kid is five years younger than Weeden was in his first season...and has demonstrated more upside while not putting forth his best effort.

He'll have a shot for years.

he'll be on a roster next year.year after he'll be invited to a camp and then cut.

might work out for a team after that.

and then done.

I think he bounces around the league for years. Teams are always desperate for QBs.

But quarterbacks with average talent are a dime a dozen. Teams aren't going to choose a drug addict, drunk, manchild over an adult, responsible, good teammate quarterback. So he either has to get much much better, or grow up a lot.

this is why guys like Josh McCown are still in the league.

Perfect example. McCown is known as a bookworm. Last guy out of the facility type. And well liked. Let's say that talent-wise, he's a 5. And Manziel is also a 5. Teams will always lean towards the 5 who isn't going to be a distraction.

 

[TripItUp]

Manziel graded out higher than McCown...and it wasn't close.

Let's not pretend that's an apples to apples comparison.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Manziel graded out higher than McCown...and it wasn't close.

Let's not pretend that's an apples to apples comparison.

But Manziel graded out much higher in the arrogant, #######...drink and party my career away category.

 

[JuniorNB]

Manziel graded out higher than McCown...and it wasn't close.

Let's not pretend that's an apples to apples comparison.

graded out? Do you mean coming out of college? This season, McCown had a 93.3 passer rating. Manziel had a 79.4. Not even close.

 

[ghostguy123]

Manziel graded out higher than McCown...and it wasn't close.

Let's not pretend that's an apples to apples comparison.

But Manziel graded out much higher in the arrogant, #######...drink and party my career away category.

Johnny is also flopping out of the league much higher.

Johnny probably graded out 10x better than Tom Brady.

Johnnys college grading is irrelevant

 

[Faust]

How Johnny Manziel failed his last great audition

 

[TripItUp]

Manziel graded out higher than McCown...and it wasn't close.

Let's not pretend that's an apples to apples comparison.

graded out? Do you mean coming out of college?

Yes, by NFL teams for the NFL draft.

 

[TripItUp]

Manziel graded out higher than McCown...and it wasn't close.

Let's not pretend that's an apples to apples comparison.

But Manziel graded out much higher in the arrogant, #######...drink and party my career away category.

that's a mischaracterization at best

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Manziel graded out higher than McCown...and it wasn't close.

Let's not pretend that's an apples to apples comparison.

But Manziel graded out much higher in the arrogant, #######...drink and party my career away category.

that's a mischaracterization at best

No...it's the truth. Wake up.

 

[JuniorNB]

Manziel graded out higher than McCown...and it wasn't close.

Let's not pretend that's an apples to apples comparison.

graded out? Do you mean coming out of college?

Yes, by NFL teams for the NFL draft.

I thought the discussion was about how long he'd be in football. Who cares about how he played against college students.

 

[mr roboto]

Is Trip Johnny D-bags daddy? Agent?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Manziel graded out higher than McCown...and it wasn't close.

Let's not pretend that's an apples to apples comparison.

Physically? Coming out of college? Are you sure about that? Both McCown boys were pretty well regarded prospects coming out. Big guys, big arms. Luke McCown had a better game at Carolina in his umpteempth year than Manziel will likely ever have. Josh has had several like that now with the Bears and Browns. They came out of LaTech, just because a player can be had lower in the draft doesn't mean they can't grade out higher for some teams than players picked earlier. That can even happen with free agents. I'm talking about physical numbers. But mentally it's also almost impossible to imagine Manziel operating in the more complicated offenses in the league, even as a backup. There's no question that QBs like the McCowns are valued for that reason, they can come in and be ready.

As a backup prospect, "ready" and "prepared" are not words people associate with Manziel.

 

[msommer]

Will Manziel have a longer and more successful career than Tebow?

Discuss

 

[JuniorNB]

Is Trip Johnny D-bags daddy? Agent?

I think he owns him on a dynasty team.

 

[JuniorNB]

Will Manziel have a longer and more successful career than Tebow?

Discuss

Tebow took a team to the playoffs and won a playoff game. Manziel can hardly even win a regular season game. No comparison.

 

[TripItUp]

Manziel graded out higher than McCown...and it wasn't close.

Let's not pretend that's an apples to apples comparison.

graded out? Do you mean coming out of college?

Yes, by NFL teams for the NFL draft.

I thought the discussion was about how long he'd be in football. Who cares about how he played against college students.

Draft grades are based on a player's NFL ability.

 

[JuniorNB]

Manziel graded out higher than McCown...and it wasn't close.

Let's not pretend that's an apples to apples comparison.

graded out? Do you mean coming out of college?

Yes, by NFL teams for the NFL draft.

I thought the discussion was about how long he'd be in football. Who cares about how he played against college students.

Draft grades are based on a player's NFL ability.

You must be that fantasy owner who is offered Alan Robinson for Demarco Murray in week 4 and says 'No way, Murray was my first round pick!'

Who cares about draft grades?? They are guesses of what he'd do on the next level. They now KNOW how he does on the next level. You still high on Tim Couch and Heath Shuler?

 

[cubbie5150]

A grade doesn't mean #### when a player runs himself out of the league due to his behavior, or in the every least, drastically shortens his window of opportunity (e.g. while those physical tool ratings are still relevant) because of that behavior. See one Justin Blackmon. What good is his draft grade doing him these days?