I’ll take AJB for that (if I’m contending)10 team PPR
1.07+ 2.08 + 2025 1st
FOR
AJ Brown
I'd take AJB for that regardless of situation.I’ll take AJB for that (if I’m contending)10 team PPR
1.07+ 2.08 + 2025 1st
FOR
AJ Brown
If that 2025 first is early I’m on that side.10 team PPR
1.07+ 2.08 + 2025 1st
FOR
AJ Brown
uh seems off somehow. shouldn't 1.3 be paying a bit steeper price?1 QB PPR 12 teamer
Team A:
Freiermuth
1.2
3.2
Team B:
1.3
2.1
2025 3rd rounder
I don't think so.uh seems off somehow. shouldn't 1.3 be paying a bit steeper price?
Where did Brooks go?Just an update on the Achanes market value in my startup in case anyone cares (Meno won't, lol).
Achane went pick 24.
Worthy pick 31.
Brian Thomas 51 as the 6th rookie off the board.
Fair enough. Was thinking Friermuth was close to 2.1, but maybe thats his TEP value and regular PPR is much lower.I don't think so.uh seems off somehow. shouldn't 1.3 be paying a bit steeper price?
Nabers and Odunze is a coin flip for most. If anything I'd say giving up pick 13 (am writing off the 3rds as equal) to move from 2 to 3 might be an overpay. Freirmeuth barely registers as an asset for me at least but may have more significance to someone else.
I made a similar trade to this a few days ago which was;
1.03 and 2.04
for
1.02 and 2.12.
Both parties quite happy. Nobody is going to give up anything significant to get from 3 to 2.
I moved down. The guy at 1.3 also has 1.1 and DJ Moore. To me, its basically a coinflip, so yeah moving up to the top of round 2 with back to back 2.1/2.2 picks was the move I was into to move down 1 spot. I also have the 1.2 in 3 other leagues so wanted to slightly diversify and get Odunze in one. I DO slightly value Nabors more, but its like 52/48I don't think so.uh seems off somehow. shouldn't 1.3 be paying a bit steeper price?
Nabers and Odunze is a coin flip for most. If anything I'd say giving up pick 13 (am writing off the 3rds as equal) to move from 2 to 3 might be an overpay. Freirmeuth barely registers as an asset for me at least but may have more significance to someone else.
I made a similar trade to this a few days ago which was;
1.03 and 2.04
for
1.02 and 2.12.
Both parties quite happy. Nobody is going to give up anything significant to get from 3 to 2.
I don't do PPR or TEP but I'd be surprised if he's moving the needle in any meaningful way outside of TEP.Fair enough. Was thinking Friermuth was close to 2.1, but maybe thats his TEP value and regular PPR is much lower.
He is currently consider TE16-19 range in TE+ and I think that is generous due to the Pitt QB/OL issuesI don't do PPR or TEP but I'd be surprised if he's moving the needle in any meaningful way outside of TEP.Fair enough. Was thinking Friermuth was close to 2.1, but maybe thats his TEP value and regular PPR is much lower.
Brooks didn't go yet. Mid 5th round nowWhere did Brooks go?Just an update on the Achanes market value in my startup in case anyone cares (Meno won't, lol).
Achane went pick 24.
Worthy pick 31.
Brian Thomas 51 as the 6th rookie off the board.
Seems to me that the market is way overvaluing Achane.
Not sure in that draft but in 7 startups that have gone Achance has been picked in 6 of them with an ADP of 3.2.Where did Brooks go?Just an update on the Achanes market value in my startup in case anyone cares (Meno won't, lol).
Achane went pick 24.
Worthy pick 31.
Brian Thomas 51 as the 6th rookie off the board.
Seems to me that the market is way overvaluing Achane.
Personally I wouldn’t give more than a low 2 / high 3 for him.Fair enough. Was thinking Friermuth was close to 2.1, but maybe thats his TEP value and regular PPR is much lower.I don't think so.uh seems off somehow. shouldn't 1.3 be paying a bit steeper price?
Nabers and Odunze is a coin flip for most. If anything I'd say giving up pick 13 (am writing off the 3rds as equal) to move from 2 to 3 might be an overpay. Freirmeuth barely registers as an asset for me at least but may have more significance to someone else.
I made a similar trade to this a few days ago which was;
1.03 and 2.04
for
1.02 and 2.12.
Both parties quite happy. Nobody is going to give up anything significant to get from 3 to 2.
I agreed with almost everything in your post but think this is an overstatement. I’m at 1.2 with a player I like significantly higher. It would take an awful lot for me to consider 1.3. Conversely if I was 1.3, I’d try to buy low, but be willing to pay what it takes to a likeminded owner. There is a big difference between consensus ranking and subjective need/willingness, and it could be targeting either option.Nobody is going to give up anything significant to get from 3 to 2.
I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish. I would keep JJ and Breece.FFPC 1 QB contending
I get - 1.2, 1.3, Kyren Williams and Kittle
I give - Justin Jefferson, Breece Hall, Travis Kelce
Is that enough? I countered asking for 1.1 to be included and other owner thinks I am nuts
If you added the 1.01 and 1.04 to the other side I still don't think I'd prefer it to what you are giving.FFPC 1 QB contending
I get - 1.2, 1.3, Kyren Williams and Kittle
I give - Justin Jefferson, Breece Hall, Travis Kelce
Is that enough? I countered asking for 1.1 to be included and other owner thinks I am nuts
Giving up the best pieces , I’d rather hold. You’re contending why would you trade off those 3? Even if you’re rebuilding. Kyren on the down trend with Corum getting drafted imo. I don’t think it’s enough unless 1.01 is in the mix. But as a contender still a hold.FFPC 1 QB contending
I get - 1.2, 1.3, Kyren Williams and Kittle
I give - Justin Jefferson, Breece Hall, Travis Kelce
Is that enough? I countered asking for 1.1 to be included and other owner thinks I am nuts
I'm not sure I'd do this if the 1.1 was added.FFPC 1 QB contending
I get - 1.2, 1.3, Kyren Williams and Kittle
I give - Justin Jefferson, Breece Hall, Travis Kelce
Is that enough? I countered asking for 1.1 to be included and other owner thinks I am nuts
JJ > anyone you'll get at 1.02 and 1.03FFPC 1 QB contending
I get - 1.2, 1.3, Kyren Williams and Kittle
I give - Justin Jefferson, Breece Hall, Travis Kelce
Is that enough? I countered asking for 1.1 to be included and other owner thinks I am nuts
Keep Jefferson and Hall. Please.FFPC 1 QB contending
I get - 1.2, 1.3, Kyren Williams and Kittle
I give - Justin Jefferson, Breece Hall, Travis Kelce
Is that enough? I countered asking for 1.1 to be included and other owner thinks I am nuts
in non-SF, I’m sitting at 3 and slightly hoping Rome falls to me but really don’t care. I wouldn’t give anything of substance to move up.I agreed with almost everything in your post but think this is an overstatement. I’m at 1.2 with a player I like significantly higher. It would take an awful lot for me to consider 1.3. Conversely if I was 1.3, I’d try to buy low, but be willing to pay what it takes to a likeminded owner. There is a big difference between consensus ranking and subjective need/willingness, and it could be targeting either option
That's fine as well Jim. There will be people who have a personal take on one player over another and it may be significant enough for them to require something meaningful to move. In a general sense this isn't the case and my response was simply explaining that. I'm not saying you are wrong to hold your view either, but explaining the relatively modest difference of moving between 3 and 2 can be attributed to the two players in question, Nabers and Odunze, generally being valued quite similarly.I agreed with almost everything in your post but think this is an overstatement. I’m at 1.2 with a player I like significantly higher. It would take an awful lot for me to consider 1.3. Conversely if I was 1.3, I’d try to buy low, but be willing to pay what it takes to a likeminded owner. There is a big difference between consensus ranking and subjective need/willingness, and it could be targeting either option.
The Dynasty Value thread is a pretty good place to break down trade offers like this. That's not it's main purpose, but especially this time of year, it ends up having more of those kinds of posts than not.Thanks guys just doing a sanity check and agree with all of you. It isn't close without the 1.1 and even with it many if not most prefer Jefferson and Hall (I was willing to roll the dice). I know I kinda broke the rules for the thread here and will not make a habit of it. TX!
Just to be clear, I said I thought nobody is going to is the overstatement - definitely not arguing that everybody is going to.I wouldn’t give anything of substance to move up.
Yes. I should have been a little less definitive in how I stated it for sure.Just to be clear, I said I thought nobody is going to is the overstatement - definitely not arguing that everybody is going to.
I would buy for that10 team PPR
1.07+ 2.08 + 2025 1st
FOR
AJ Brown
I don’t understand this one at all.
- Team A gave up Allen, Josh BUF QB - used pick 1.07 on Caleb Williams
- Team B gave up Year 2024 Draft Pick 1.07
Team A gives up way too much for Worthy. I get dealing aging assets, but in a competitive league, one could more than 1.09 + 2.09 for Allen/Adams.
- Team E gave up Year 2024 Draft Pick 1.09; Year 2025 Round 2 Draft Pick from Team E
- Team A gave up Adams, Davante LVR WR; Allen, Keenan CHI WR - used pick 1.09 on Xavier Worthy
Yes, understood. Being at 1.2, it's a topic I have given long & hard thought to, asking myself what it would take to pass on my preference. It's a value opportunity for the 51/49 mindset owner no doubt. Trends showing the FF community being divided is exactly what I'd argue trying to limit cost of moving up. Just really pointing out there are guys who fall in love with one of Nabers/Odunze who will overpay for certainty vs coinflip. I have historic scars refusing to pay a premium when every fiber of my being told me to (missed Fitzgerald by one pick and got Reggie Williams) and others where overpay became justified (e.g. in 2009 I traded 1.6+2010 1st to owner of 1.5, and sniped McCoy over Shonn Green). YMMV, but I'm one of those who will overpay to get my target. In dynasty, I hate settling for guys I don't love more than I fear being wrong.That's fine as well Jim. There will be people who have a personal take on one player over another and it may be significant enough for them to require something meaningful to move. In a general sense this isn't the case and my response was simply explaining that. I'm not saying you are wrong to hold your view either, but explaining the relatively modest difference of moving between 3 and 2 can be attributed to the two players in question, Nabers and Odunze, generally being valued quite similarly.I agreed with almost everything in your post but think this is an overstatement. I’m at 1.2 with a player I like significantly higher. It would take an awful lot for me to consider 1.3. Conversely if I was 1.3, I’d try to buy low, but be willing to pay what it takes to a likeminded owner. There is a big difference between consensus ranking and subjective need/willingness, and it could be targeting either option.
I personally have Nabers higher and I'd have been prepared to pay more than I ended up doing so to make the move, but I think what I did pay was fair value given the consensus.
Again, A undersells Kelce. A WR2 and a 2025 pick for Kelce & Diggs is an awful return.
- Team A gave up Diggs, Stefon HOU WR; Kelce, Travis KCC TE
- Team F gave up Doubs, Romeo GBP WR; Year 2025 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team F
After these moves team A will be lucky to make the playoffs again.Last year Team A finished 12 -2 but lost in a semifinal
To add some context as well, appears Team A decided to blow-up their team for a full on rebuild/fire sale. IMO, they probably could have rolled it back again this year to compete but their team was aging out quickly and weak at RB and it's assets other than Lamb were likely going to lose value very quickly. There's also a couple of powerhouse teams in this league that dominate nearly every year and somehow pull off great trades to reload nearly every year.Our rookie draft started on Wednesday and there has been an unprecedented number of trades during the 1st round. It's a 12 team, PPR league, start 1 QB, 1 flex for RB/WR/TE. The first trade made was already posted in this thread on Wed. afternoon (Team A gave CD Lamb to Team B for picks 1.02 (Nabers) and 1.04 (Bowers)) so here are the remaining trades in order:
- Team B gave up Mixon, Joe HOU RB; Sutton, Courtland DEN WR
- Team C gave up Love, Jordan GBP QB; Brown, Marquise KCC WR
- Team D gave up Rivers, Ronnie LAR RB; Andrews, Mark BAL TE; Year 2024 Draft Pick 1.06; Year 2024 Draft Pick 2.06
- Team B gave up Richardson, Anthony IND QB; Dell, Tank HOU WR; Year 2024 Draft Pick 2.10 - used pick 1.06 on Brian Thomas, Jr.
- Team A gave up Allen, Josh BUF QB - used pick 1.07 on Caleb Williams
- Team B gave up Year 2024 Draft Pick 1.07
- Team E gave up Year 2024 Draft Pick 1.09; Year 2025 Round 2 Draft Pick from Team E
- Team A gave up Adams, Davante LVR WR; Allen, Keenan CHI WR - used pick 1.09 on Xavier Worthy
- Team A gave up Diggs, Stefon HOU WR; Kelce, Travis KCC TE
- Team F gave up Doubs, Romeo GBP WR; Year 2025 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team F
- Team B gave up Valdes-Scantling, Marquez FA WR; Year 2024 Draft Pick 3.06; Year 2025 Round 2 Draft Pick from Team B
- Team A gave up Pollard, Tony TEN RB
- Team G gave up Year 2024 Draft Pick 1.13
- Team F gave up Johnson, Roschon CHI RB; Year 2024 Draft Pick 2.05 - hasn't used pick 1.13 yet
Last year Team A finished 12 -2 but lost in a semifinal. Team B finished 3 - 11. Team C was 8 - 6, beat Team A in a semifinal and then lost in the final. Team E finished 11 - 3 and lost in a semifinal. Teams D, F, and G were non-playoff teams.
Yeah this one stuck out to me too. I don’t see how this makes any sense for a guy that’s been dominant at his position. Even in a 1QB he’s a difference maker.I don’t understand this one at all.
- Team A gave up Allen, Josh BUF QB - used pick 1.07 on Caleb Williams
- Team B gave up Year 2024 Draft Pick 1.07
You have arguably the QB1 in any format.
You throw him back for a rookie of TBD value.
This is the kind of move that nets you a 1.01 in a year or 3.
I would get it if it were “had Hurts & Allen, traded Allen, got MH2.” or some such.
But as stated this is absolutely baffling.
I would suggest that *especially* in 1 QB Allen is a difference maker. He’s the Konami code QB who gets you those sweet rushing yards/TDs on the ground.Even in a 1QB he’s a difference maker.
There's also something to be said for which side of these transactions you are on as well.Yes, understood. Being at 1.2, it's a topic I have given long & hard thought to, asking myself what it would take to pass on my preference. It's a value opportunity for the 51/49 mindset owner no doubt. Trends showing the FF community being divided is exactly what I'd argue trying to limit cost of moving up. Just really pointing out there are guys who fall in love with one of Nabers/Odunze who will overpay for certainty vs coinflip. I have historic scars refusing to pay a premium when every fiber of my being told me to (missed Fitzgerald by one pick and got Reggie Williams) and others where overpay became justified (e.g. in 2009 I traded 1.6+2010 1st to owner of 1.5, and sniped McCoy over Shonn Green). YMMV, but I'm one of those who will overpay to get my target. In dynasty, I hate settling for guys I don't love more than I fear being wrong.
Well, you know, Allen is an elderly 28 this year. He probably only has 15 years left in the league.Yeah this one stuck out to me too. I don’t see how this makes any sense for a guy that’s been dominant at his position. Even in a 1QB he’s a difference maker.I don’t understand this one at all.
- Team A gave up Allen, Josh BUF QB - used pick 1.07 on Caleb Williams
- Team B gave up Year 2024 Draft Pick 1.07
You have arguably the QB1 in any format.
You throw him back for a rookie of TBD value.
This is the kind of move that nets you a 1.01 in a year or 3.
I would get it if it were “had Hurts & Allen, traded Allen, got MH2.” or some such.
But as stated this is absolutely baffling.
Again, A undersells Kelce. A WR2 and a 2025 pick for Kelce & Diggs is an awful return.
- Team A gave up Diggs, Stefon HOU WR; Kelce, Travis KCC TE
- Team F gave up Doubs, Romeo GBP WR; Year 2025 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team F
Please tell me you’re not team A.
I’d do it myself if you pulled the RB’s out of the deal. Now not sure that works for the other guy but if it did I’d do that.FFPC 1 QB contending
I get - 1.2, 1.3, Kyren Williams and Kittle
I give - Justin Jefferson, Breece Hall, Travis Kelce
Is that enough? I countered asking for 1.1 to be included and other owner thinks I am nuts
Nope. Never no way nada nyet!FFPC 1 QB contending
I get - 1.2, 1.3, Kyren Williams and Kittle
I give - Justin Jefferson, Breece Hall, Travis Kelce
Is that enough? I countered asking for 1.1 to be included and other owner thinks I am nuts
Username checks outThis inspired me to send a what the hell trade offer in an FFPC. I offered 1.8, McGlaughlin, Downs, Mims for London.
Team that got Stroud just made a great deal & will be markedly less terrible with Stroud & the 1.01FFPC Triflex (superflex, TE premium, start 3 WR)
I was not involved.
Team A gave: Bryce Young, 1.04, 1.06
Team B gave: CJ Stroud, 2.02
The team that got Stroud is absolutely terrible and still has the 1.01.
Agreed. I was surprised Stroud was so cheap. I have him in an IDP/SF league and I wouldn't make that deal. You need the 1.04/1.06 QB you pick to be in the same ballpark of Stroud for this to be anywhere to close.Team that got Stroud just made a great deal & will be markedly less terrible with Stroud & the 1.01FFPC Triflex (superflex, TE premium, start 3 WR)
I was not involved.
Team A gave: Bryce Young, 1.04, 1.06
Team B gave: CJ Stroud, 2.02
The team that got Stroud is absolutely terrible and still has the 1.01.
What a bargain for Stroud in SF