Yeah, cap recapture penalties are part of the new CBA. I think it's the main reason the Sabres dumped Ehrhoff the way they did.
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Foosball God
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Thanks for the linkIt's based on the cap savings the team has received at the time of retirement. Capgeek isn't often wrong, doubt they are now. LinkFoosball God said:Pronger signed his contract after the age of 35. It was my understanding that if you signed a contract under the age of 35 it got significantly reduced and was based off of the value of the remaining contract and the years. If you signed your deal over the age of 35 then the club was stuck with the full contract amount on their cap.That's not accurate. Depending on when he retires the Wings will take a ~2.5 to 2.9M cap recapture penalty for each of the remaining years of the contract. The only way they don't eat it is if he gets hurt and stays on LTIR sort of like what happened with Pronger. Hawks have the same issue with Hossa, but the cap recapture hit is higher for Hossa.People get caught up in Franzen because he is streaky. But his cap hit is really not that bad for what he brings, and it isn't like he is going to play until he is 41 anyway. He'll retire and that will be wiped off the books.
he's got 10 points in 9 games played this year.
put up a respectable 41 in 54 last year, and 31 in 41 the year before.
where's the downside of paying a guy who puts up that kind of production with a $4MM cap hit?
glvsav37
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Hawks64
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Hossa is a huge concern for the Hawks IMO. If he retires early they are screwed...same with Keith.Thanks for the linkIt's based on the cap savings the team has received at the time of retirement. Capgeek isn't often wrong, doubt they are now. LinkFoosball God said:Pronger signed his contract after the age of 35. It was my understanding that if you signed a contract under the age of 35 it got significantly reduced and was based off of the value of the remaining contract and the years. If you signed your deal over the age of 35 then the club was stuck with the full contract amount on their cap.That's not accurate. Depending on when he retires the Wings will take a ~2.5 to 2.9M cap recapture penalty for each of the remaining years of the contract. The only way they don't eat it is if he gets hurt and stays on LTIR sort of like what happened with Pronger. Hawks have the same issue with Hossa, but the cap recapture hit is higher for Hossa.People get caught up in Franzen because he is streaky. But his cap hit is really not that bad for what he brings, and it isn't like he is going to play until he is 41 anyway. He'll retire and that will be wiped off the books.
he's got 10 points in 9 games played this year.
put up a respectable 41 in 54 last year, and 31 in 41 the year before.
where's the downside of paying a guy who puts up that kind of production with a $4MM cap hit?
ETA that post with the link is kind of dickish....sorry about that.
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RUSF18
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It's also why the Rangers got rid of Richards. He had three years of $1MM salaries at the end of the deal, which he would have retired before collecting, and I think it would have been $6MM in dead space for the first year, $8MM in the second, and something ridiculous in the third.
if he was still playing like a #1 C, not sure what they would have done. he made the decision easy for them with his play though.
Foosball God
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I didn't take it that way. I appreciate the information.Hossa is a huge concern for the Hawks IMO. If he retires early they are screwed...same with Keith.Thanks for the linkIt's based on the cap savings the team has received at the time of retirement. Capgeek isn't often wrong, doubt they are now. LinkFoosball God said:Pronger signed his contract after the age of 35. It was my understanding that if you signed a contract under the age of 35 it got significantly reduced and was based off of the value of the remaining contract and the years. If you signed your deal over the age of 35 then the club was stuck with the full contract amount on their cap.That's not accurate. Depending on when he retires the Wings will take a ~2.5 to 2.9M cap recapture penalty for each of the remaining years of the contract. The only way they don't eat it is if he gets hurt and stays on LTIR sort of like what happened with Pronger. Hawks have the same issue with Hossa, but the cap recapture hit is higher for Hossa.People get caught up in Franzen because he is streaky. But his cap hit is really not that bad for what he brings, and it isn't like he is going to play until he is 41 anyway. He'll retire and that will be wiped off the books.
he's got 10 points in 9 games played this year.
put up a respectable 41 in 54 last year, and 31 in 41 the year before.
where's the downside of paying a guy who puts up that kind of production with a $4MM cap hit?
ETA that post with the link is kind of dickish....sorry about that.
Bill Brasky
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thank goodness for Buffalo being on the schedule this Thursday.
Dickie Dunn
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Guy I work with pointed out the Sabres are on 10 percent of NBC Sports games the rest of the season. (I think he needs a hobby.)
not sure if it is holding up with the way the team has played of late, but the Buffalo tv market is probably one of the strongest for them.
Raider Nation
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"Silfverberg literally put it on a tee for Kesler."
Raider Nation
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This game is nuts. Defense-optional.
Raider Nation
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omg
Zegras11
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Raider Nation
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L.A. is 1-1 in the skills. Ducks are 1-2.
He's up to 14 points in 17 games.
Winning 56% of his draws.
Ranks 2nd among Ducks forwards in hits with 47
Plays 2+ minutes/night short-handed as their top penalty killer.
Also plays on the top PP unit.
Nick Bonino contributing in Couver too. Also has 14 points in 17 games. He's not good on draws (46% while taking 2nd most on the team) but he ranks 1st among Canucks forwards in blocked shots and takeaways, and is also seeing a lot of time short-handed.
Looks like a deal that is working out well for both teams.
Billy Bats
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How about the 'couv?? Are they for real, I didn't see them being this good. 
no, I don't think so.How about the 'couv?? Are they for real, I didn't see them being this good.
Miller playing well though, and now Markstrom is killing it in the AHL after he made it through waivers.
Bill Brasky
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Ballard and Folin recently get back from it and now Brodin and Scandella now have the mysterious mumps going around? oof.
at least they get Spurgeon back tonight which was a bigger loss than Parise IMO.
pretty thin on the back end tonight, Prosser has not been good this year, Ballard is always up and down, and Folin/Dumba make a lot of rookie mistakes.
GB the Sabres.
at least they get Spurgeon back tonight which was a bigger loss than Parise IMO.
pretty thin on the back end tonight, Prosser has not been good this year, Ballard is always up and down, and Folin/Dumba make a lot of rookie mistakes.
GB the Sabres.
Raider Nation
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Which '14 playoff team has the better chance of rebounding from a poor start -- Lumbus or the Avs?
Cool in the pocket
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Lumbus! The Avs are frightening on the back end.
Sheriff66
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Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
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Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Ghost Rider
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I'll avoid the irrational "I hate Ryan Miller" response and just point out the facts:no, I don't think so.How about the 'couv?? Are they for real, I didn't see them being this good.
Miller playing well though, and now Markstrom is killing it in the AHL after he made it through waivers.
-He is 22nd in goals against.
-He is 33rd in save percentage.
-Vancouver is 11th in goals scored per game.
-Vancouver is 21st in goals allowed per game.
So, I think it is not unreasonable to say that Vancouver's offense is the main reason why they are off to a good start. Miller is not playing poorly, but he's not setting the world on fire either.
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Johnny Rock
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This morning my 6 yo son asked me, "When are the Wild gonna win a ring?"
Time Kibitzer
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Nah. They'll have to fight to make the playoffs imo. Still, just 18 games in under a new coach, there's more reason for optimism than I was expecting.How about the 'couv?? Are they for real, I didn't see them being this good.
Bill Brasky
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Wild
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Brady Marino
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The STL line (Schwartz, Tarasenko, Lehtera) just refuses to be stopped. 9 straight games with a goal and they have two tonight (Schwartz and Lehtera).
Blues fans have been begging for a scoring line this dominating since Adam Oates fed Brett Hull in the early 90s.
Blues fans have been begging for a scoring line this dominating since Adam Oates fed Brett Hull in the early 90s.
Bill Brasky
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jfc, Toronto
Bill Brasky
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Rangers win the shootout, but they didn't. Winner was on a rebound. Teams already in the lockeroom, game still on. I've never seen this.
Bill Brasky
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Pens win. Crazy.
Nothing better than making them Buffalo's ##### even when the crowd in Buffalo was probably 80% Leafs fans
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