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Moritz Böhringer, WR Bengals - Taming the Stripes like Sigfried and Roy! (2 Viewers)
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No metric I know of, but I'd bet the highest level of German football is at best on par with high school.
mr roboto
Footballguy
Of course expecting more is naive. Point to one post where someone expects him to be a top 2 wr on a team...petekrum said:
But it's not impossible. Athletes are athletes. He probably needs a ton of work (mainly route running and technique) but his measurable s are freakish. Someone will give him a few years on the pine.
tone1oc
Footballguy
I see no boundless optimism, and any optimism at all demonstrated in this thread comes with plenty of grains of salt. These threads epitomize the best of what the SP has to offer IMO, it's called due diligence, being completely dismissive is lazy and not very smart IMO. Every year presents new opportunity for the next great fantasy story.petekrum said:
You're certainly entitled to your opinion as is everyone else, but I'm pretty comfortable dismissing that the next great fantasy story is gonna come out of Germany, but time will tell.
tone1oc
Footballguy
You're opinion and critique of the SP that there is some boundless optimism isn't based in reality though.
massraider
Footballguy
Funny part is, of all the threads you've come into, and said this or that guy is gone suck, 'Germany' had been your most expansive argument.
Really, why would anyone listen?
Take a look around. People back up their opinions here pretty well, using data, and reasoned arguments.
Cold Dead Hands
Footballguy
Antonio Gates didn't play a down of football in college. His top competition in football was in high school. He seems to have done ok.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
How old is this guy?
tone1oc
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I love how you're arguing against something no one has said.petekrum said:
mr roboto
Footballguy
Run It Up
Footballguy
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bud29
Footballguy
Just watched his highlights. Not sure if he can consistently beat NFL CBs, but I could see him being used as a move TE. Got the size, speed, and looks like his hands are pretty decent.
You yourself said he could be the next great fantasy story, THAT is boundless optimism.
You just don't get it. Every year, someone like you makes this post. Nobody is looking to draft these guys with their 1st round redraft pick. Nobody is even likely picking him in a redraft. People are looking for guys to use their late 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round dynasty picks on. Yeah, you'll miss on 90% of these guys. But 90% of the guys you pick at those spots will be off your roster by the end of the year anyway. Why not at least look at a guy with the athletic ability to make a fantasy difference if he ever learns the football skills? If you don't look, you'll miss out on Gates, Graham, David Johnson, and others.petekrum said:
Something no one has said? Bringing up and having a thread in a fantasy forum on a guy who if everything goes perfectly might be the 53 man on a roster and suggesting he might be anything other than that is boundless optimism.
Hey, draft away, don't let me stop you. I'm just telling you you're wasting your time. Amazing how upset you people get when someone decides not to goose step to your way of thinking.
ps. Let's be real and not put this guy with Gates, Graham and DJ.
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mr roboto
Footballguy
I'm the OP so I 'brought it up.' When did I say the bolded?
It was a front page story on NFL - scouts from dozens of teams met with him and were impressed. It's an interesting story. You just seem miserable for its own sake
i really hope you either change your style or leave cause so far you've contributed very little to this board.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
227# isn't a TE. He's a pure WR in the NFL unless he puts on 20+ pounds.
Also, don't feed the trolls. The appetite is endless, and they remember where they fed.
Also, don't feed the trolls. The appetite is endless, and they remember where they fed.
lod01
Footballguy
So a difference of opinion is not welcome here? Gotcha. So if I'd put " I really think this guy has a chance to be a player." You'd be ok with that because then we could all be part of your little mutual admiration society and nobody would get their feelings hurt. I'll tell you the same thing I tell everyone that has an issue with my opinion,..bookmark it and the day this guy becomes even remotely useable in fantasy I'll be the first to say "Hey you were right, I was wrong. You got me on that one."
Run It Up
Footballguy
Browns might have been there, but it wasn't reported that I saw. But if they weren't there it was probably the worst organization in football thing.
Really? You have proof of this? See, I'm willing to take my lumps when I'm wrong on a player. Please feel free to put up any actual quotes I have on any player. What many fail to realize is for every one of the out of the blue guys like Okoye you can name I can name 50 that the so called experts on these and other forums have touted who amount to jack. I imagine you and many of the sheep were all over Terrelle Pryor last season at this time, another of those athletic freaks everyone was so sure could just make the switch to WR at the NFL level. And before you label me a hater who just shoots down every long shot that gets brought up just to be a contrarian, I have my little list of long shot guys that I target late every year if I have any openings on my dynasty squads, they just might not be the same as yours. As I said, feel free to bookmark this thread and blow me up if I'm wrong.
massraider
Footballguy
Difference is, if a poster here mentions they like his prospects, they do it without insulting other posters.
You cannot do that. That's how you started off in this thread, among most others. Implying everyone that was interested was a sucker. All your posts are condescending and backed up by nothing resembling.
Differences of opinion are great. Why respect yours when you clearly don't respect anyone else's?
Yes, I did state I believed this guy to be a sucker pick, and perhaps I could have chosen my words more carefully. Live and learn.
Ben & Jerry's
Footballguy
When you said you'd bet the HIGHEST LEVEL of German football was at best on par with our High School system you kinda painted yourself in a corner.
Like most rookies it is unlikely that this guy becomes a star in the league. But as a guy who plays 16 team dynasty with incredibly deep rosters, this is also the exact type of guy who I like taking with my last round rookie pick. Mr. Roboto, thank you for bringing him up regardless of whether he ends up doing anything.
mr roboto
Footballguy
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
mr roboto
Footballguy
Nobody ####### said he was gonna be great. You must specialize in building strawmen. At least petulantly argue against an actual ####### point someone made.
Please show me in the post you quoted where I said that anyone said he'd be great, because I don't see it. No, what some have said is he could eventually be a fantasy factor and what I have said is he will never amount to anything. Now maybe you play in dynasties with thirty player benches or have ten rounds of rookie picks, but my benches aren't that deep and we only draft three rookie rounds so I can't waste roster spots and draft picks chasing unicorns.
mr roboto
Footballguy
You've claimed 'boundless optimism.' You've claimed that we are saying he's going to be a fantasy factor. You've claimed that the mere creation of this thread reveals some opinion of him that's heretofore unspoken. I just don't see any of that.
You are a cynical person (I actually respect that) but you're immature and illogical. Enjoy yourself man. Stop ####ting in threads.
Oh, btw, if EVERYONE you meet thinks you're mean and unhelpful it's probably not everybody's fault. There's one common denominator.
Not for nothing, but from what I can tell, you've been on this board for a little over a month, and have made 84 posts. There has been no football played in that time period, so how could you have been "wrong" or "right" on any player?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
No one has said he'll be a success. Threads like this just put a guy on our radar that we may throw a fourth or fifth round rookie pick at. No one is optomistic about guys like that, they just hope to get lucky once in a while.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
thatguy
Footballguy
I guess you're guilty of boundless optimism too considering you earlier said he was capable of being a team's 5th WR and/or a special team contributor. Such a player would be active on game day and, as such, would be, at worst, the 46th man on the roster. That is 7 spots better than 53rd, and is, by your own standard, boundlessly optimistic.
Between now and next season I along with everyone else will offer opinions on countless players. Easy enough to go back and look up who said what and who was right and who was wrong.
No , no, no. I said if everything went perfectly he MIGHT be one of the last guys on the roster. I was giving you boys the benefit of the doubt, as I think he has no shot.
Lets reduce it down to this gentlemen. Most of you on here think he is an interesting physical freak prospect that you are looking to stash away in the hope that maybe someday he pans out. I maintain he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of ever doing anything. Can we leave it at that?
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Receiverlicious!!! Does you have any youtube videos of him making trick catches? Like maybe standing in a canoe, eating a frankfurter, one-handed grab, doesn't even spill the sauerkraut.
Lets not forget about a guy like ziggy ansah, played one year of college ball and has looked pretty darn promising. Karlos Williams played one college year of rb before last year. Granted he played football, but ansah did not. Came from Africa and played a year at byu. So a guy with measurables could certainly come in with little xp and work hard to learn. And with the NFL gaining a worldwide audience, I'd be surprised if talent didn't start to trickle in from other countries.
The nba in the 90s had a few European players, vlade divac is about the only name I can think of. Now there are, well, tons. I understand that the European bball leagues are better than whatever euro-football league exists, and I'm sure there are a hundred German players that would like to see you on the field for comparing it to high school ball.
Lets not forget about a guy like ziggy ansah, played one year of college ball and has looked pretty darn promising. Karlos Williams played one college year of rb before last year. Granted he played football, but ansah did not. Came from Africa and played a year at byu. So a guy with measurables could certainly come in with little xp and work hard to learn. And with the NFL gaining a worldwide audience, I'd be surprised if talent didn't start to trickle in from other countries.
The nba in the 90s had a few European players, vlade divac is about the only name I can think of. Now there are, well, tons. I understand that the European bball leagues are better than whatever euro-football league exists, and I'm sure there are a hundred German players that would like to see you on the field for comparing it to high school ball.
Then to your original point that you are "willing to take my lumps when I'm wrong on a player," couldn't one say the same thing you said to Mr. Roboto?
Really? You have proof of this?
There is absolutely no proof that you would do this, other than your words.
Your words are also the source of Mr. Roboto's satirical post. If you want people to accept your words as proof that you will own any bad calls, it seems a little suspect that you think your words couldn't/shouldn't be used against you.
Hey, you're right. As everyone is all to eager to point out, I've been on these forums for about 15 minutes.(on a side note I anxiously await my email notification telling me I have enough posts to be one of the gang.) Guess only time will tell if I'll own my hits and misses come next season.
