Huddle up, Peyton Owners. What's our plan? (1 Viewer)

[tombonneau]

Well, this was about as bad as we could have feared. Who is going to try to Sell Low on Manning? I know we had a similar situation last year with Brady and the Buyers probably ended up in the championship, but Brady's issue was personnel, Manning's appears to be physical along with scheme.

Obviously this is a Sell Low, but sadly this might not be the bottom. What is the stat? No TDs in three of last five games? Unfortunately, with that being a national game and his putridness in the AFC Playoffs fresh in mind, even the name brand might not net much in trade.

I'm full on hitting the panic button before it's too late. Anyone gotten or given any offers yet?

And in cases where his perceived value is too low, any mid-tier QBs you are targeting? Maybe someone wants to feel smart and Sell High on Mariota. Foles looked pretty good agains the Hawks. Maybe even Tyrod Taylor on the wire.

We can get through this, gentleman.

EDIT: This is Re-Draft.

 

[FUBAR]

Dynasty or redraft? There's probably no value in dynasty. I don't think I'd give his backup (oz) for him. Zero chance an intelligent owner would give mm. You might get a 3rd.

Redraft? If you can get top 10 qb value I'd jump.

I'll rarely call a player untradeable but he's pretty much there.

 

[tombonneau]

Sorry, yes, redraft. I should specify. Jesus, if I could get a top 10 QB I would do it without blinking.

 

[The Cereal Killer]

Stay calm! This is Peyton Manning you're talking about.

 

[Spike]

He has to know how bad he is now. Is there ANY doubt he's only chasing Favre records at this point?

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Thinking about offering him for Tyrod Taylor and 4th round pick.

 

[Hu-Tang Clan]

He has to know how bad he is now. Is there ANY doubt he's only chasing Favre records at this point?

He's not going to get there.

 

[shadyridr]

Thankfully qb is the easiest position to trade for in fantasy football

 

[Shutout]

He has to know how bad he is now. Is there ANY doubt he's only chasing Favre records at this point?

Omaha!

Maybe he is just chasing a title. The supporting team is pretty good and he has a roadmap of Elway doing the exact same thing. He doesn't need to be Peyton manning to compete. I don't think he will get there but I can see that as being his mindset.

 

[tombonneau]

Stay calm! This is Peyton Manning you're talking about.

It was Peyton Manning. It was.

I agree with Spike, seems like one last paycheck and run at the records.

 

[Shutout]

Also, I don't think the sky is completely falling. I saw a LOT of "star" players not put their best/expected foot forward yesterday.

He may not live up to his own expectations of his former self but on any give week can he hang in there with Tannehill and Rivers and Eli? Sure.

 

[chad in Indy]

I'm glad I don't own him, but I wouldn't panick. The entire game was ugly for both sides. Plenty of other top players struggled week one too. I think the run game really killed them too. Granted, they played the Ravens, but 2.8 ypc is really bad.

 

[Wonderllama]

You should absolutely trade for Mariota. Do it now before he has another good game. Give up a backup RB/WR you can live without

 

[Dizzy]

I saw a LOT of "star" players not put their best/expected foot forward yesterday.

Very good point. I think we all got used to the "hot start" Peyton Manning that it's easy to forget that he is adjusting to a new OC/scheme. I think that I heard in the pre-game that yesterday was the first time that all starters were on the field together. So yes, I believe that rust + new OC + game 1 played a role.

Having said that. I don't see how it gets a lot better. Peyton will likely wear down and encounter colder/nastier weather as the season progresses. Maybe it all evens out as he gains confidence in the system, but I would be very surprised if he finished in Top 10 fantasy QBs.

 

[ponchsox]

Rolling with Carson Palmer until Peyton shows something.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Sung to the tune of Nationwide is on your side:

He- needs- to- just- hang- them- up

 

[cockroach]

should have had more than 1 INT

was wincing on the sideline at the end of the game like he was in a lot of pain.

 

[C-Bound]

Don't own him either but I think he still has more than enough "name" value that one could get a top 10 QB for him. But do it this week.

And has there ever been a week that neither of the Mannings threw a TD?

 

[cockroach]

Sung to the tune of Nationwide is on your side:

He- needs- to- just- hang- them- up

Better- than- ev-rrr-y -Bear

 

[need2know]

Crawl into the fetal position

Wish I had a time machine

To change my awful redraft pick

 

[Seekay]

Tebow is getting a good laugh over this..

 

[rickyg]

You guys are all smoking something. It's one game. Payton has had stinkers before. He will be fine. He's adjusting to a new offensive game plan. The whole team is. He's stil a great Qb. Give it some time. Keep him on your bench if you must but don't trade Low or drop him. Stream qbs like mariota, typos Taylor, bortles, Alex smith until Payton wakes up if you must.

But for gds sakes don't trade low you'll get trade raped for certain.

Step away from the mouse.

 

[shadyridr]

Jesus now Im reading every post in this thread to that tune.

 

[Seekay]

You guys are all smoking something. It's one game. Payton has had stinkers before. He will be fine. He's adjusting to a new offensive game plan. The whole team is. He's stil a great Qb. Give it some time. Keep him on your bench if you must but don't trade Low or drop him. Stream qbs like mariota, typos Taylor, bortles, Alex smith until Payton wakes up if you must.

But for gds sakes don't trade low you'll get trade raped for certain.

Step away from the mouse.

So was Peyton adjusting to the offense the last 6-7 games last year? What does a new offense have to do with inability to throw a deep pass accurately

 

[rickyg]

You guys are all smoking something. It's one game. Payton has had stinkers before. He will be fine. He's adjusting to a new offensive game plan. The whole team is. He's stil a great Qb. Give it some time. Keep him on your bench if you must but don't trade Low or drop him. Stream qbs like mariota, typos Taylor, bortles, Alex smith until Payton wakes up if you must.

But for gds sakes don't trade low you'll get trade raped for certain.

Step away from the mouse.

So was Peyton adjusting to the offense the last 6-7 games last year? What does a new offense have to do with inability to throw a deep pass accurately

Payton hasn't been able to throw a pretty deep ball in years. That's not what makes him a great Qb. What makes him is his understanding of his own offense and defensive formations. His anticipation and pocket presence. If you think that yesterday represents what he will be like all season then I don't know what to tell you other than I disagree. He will gel with the new offense and his receivers and the o line will shore things up a bit. Baltimore is also a great defense. He's not going to play them every week.

I don't own him in any leagues but if the guys in my league are willing to bail like the guys in this thread I'll be first in line to try and swoop in there and try to get him on the cheap.

Jmho I suppose

 

[One]

I'd stay put.

My hunch says he'll gradually end up running his old offense.

 

[FUBAR]

Thinking about offering him for Tyrod Taylor and 4th round pick.

in a dynasty you'd have to give the 4th with Peyton for T2 right now.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Jesus now Im reading every post in this thread to that tune.

So am I.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Sung to the tune of Nationwide is on your side:

He- needs- to- just- hang- them- up

Better- than- ev-rrr-y -Bear

He- can't -even feel- his- fingers

 

[Omniscient Deity]

In dynasty, you're going down with the ship unless you want a rookie 3rd really badly. In redraft, assuming your league isn't too deep you can potentially scoop up Mariota/Foles/Smith or 2 of them. Hold Peyton and bench him.

 

[Shutout]

I saw a LOT of "star" players not put their best/expected foot forward yesterday.

Very good point. I think we all got used to the "hot start" Peyton Manning that it's easy to forget that he is adjusting to a new OC/scheme. I think that I heard in the pre-game that yesterday was the first time that all starters were on the field together. So yes, I believe that rust + new OC + game 1 played a role.

Having said that. I don't see how it gets a lot better. Peyton will likely wear down and encounter colder/nastier weather as the season progresses. Maybe it all evens out as he gains confidence in the system, but I would be very surprised if he finished in Top 10 fantasy QBs.

Yes and the thing that compounds the "learning the new system" is he is subjecting himself to sacks and they might cumulatively add up. He can't take 4-5 a game because sooner or later, if you give a team 4-5 shots a game, somebody is going to clean his clock.

 

[Shutout]

Sung to the tune of Nationwide is on your side:

He- needs- to- just- hang- them- up

Better- than- ev-rrr-y -Bear

He- can't -even feel- his- fingers

already-lost-it-in-his-toes.

 

[Dizzy]

I'd stay put.

My hunch says he'll gradually end up running his old offense.

So you think they'll fire Kubiak in season 1 in favor of Peyton's quest for whatever he's questing for?

NFW

 

[BearsFan4Life]

I am probably starting Foles this week over PManning in a dynasty, and would trade for Alex Smith but don't want all my eggs in the Chiefs basket owning Charles and Kelce already.

 

[Jeremy]

Tebow is getting a good laugh over this..

That game reminded me a lot of that season, minus the late game heroics. Punt, play great defense, punt, defense, punt, defense, punt, defensive score, kick a long FG every now and again. Win!

 

[Dizzy]

Tebow is getting a good laugh over this..

That game reminded me a lot of that season, minus the late game heroics. Punt, play great defense, punt, defense, punt, defense, punt, defensive score, kick a long FG every now and again. Win!

With one huge difference... Tebow would be getting all the credit for a great victory (the guy's just a winner), where as now we are debating the State of Peyton. But basically yes, I understand your point... a team victory in spite of poor QB play.

 

[burnall]

i'm starting foles or flacco this week probably.... hes getting benched, short week + KC. no thanks.

 

[purestrength]

I realize the past doesn't always indicate future performance, but Peyton usually plays well in KC (loud crowd has never bothered him). So if he stinks up the joint Thursday, it's truly time to panic.

 

[need2know]

He's actually been pretty awful the last 10 games. That's a trend

 

[flapgreen]

He'll be fine

 

[FUBAR]

Fwiw, in redraft cam owners should be more concerned

 

[The Moz]

Fwiw, in redraft cam owners should be more concerned

what if Peyton is ur QB1 and Cam is your QB2

I do think Peyton comes back -- he has 2 really good WR's I think a 3500 yard 28-35 TD season is still somewhat realistic.

 

[shadyridr]

Fwiw, in redraft cam owners should be more concerned

nobody drafted cam to be a starter

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Fwiw, in redraft cam owners should be more concerned

what if Peyton is ur QB1 and Cam is your QB2

I do think Peyton comes back -- he has 2 really good WR's I think a 3500 yard 28-35 TD season is still somewhat realistic.

I think that's a realistic stat line for him but with less TD's. Something like 3500 - 3800 yards, 20-25 TD's.

 

[FUBAR]

Fwiw, in redraft cam owners should be more concerned

nobody drafted cam to be a starter

His adp was qb11

http://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/adp/qb.php

 

[omally]

Fwiw, in redraft cam owners should be more concerned

I disagree.

 

[shadyridr]

Fwiw, in redraft cam owners should be more concerned

nobody drafted cam to be a starter

His adp was qb11http://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/adp/qb.php

nobody drafted cam to be a starter if you had your draft after the Benjamin injury

 

[rickyg]

This will be a great thread to revisit week to week no matter what the outcome! Pure gold jerry!

 

[Seekay]

Tebow is getting a good laugh over this..

That game reminded me a lot of that season, minus the late game heroics. Punt, play great defense, punt, defense, punt, defense, punt, defensive score, kick a long FG every now and again. Win!

Yea thats why I posted it. lol Its come full circle for Elway. Time to find someone to replace Peyton and then ship him out of town.

 

[msudaisy26]

As a joke I offered Johnny Manziel for Peyton and a 2016 3rd. He replied that is a horrible offer. I offered it again without the 3rd and waiting a response.