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Gurley is more of a sure bet to be an instant 3-down RB. Right now people are still iffy on Gordon based on what he's done so far. I definitely expect him to improve in the pass game this season.
Yeah, it's Gurley hands down. The gap for me is rather large, maybe not so much for others. Either way I think he's the top player on just about everyone's board, as he should be. Gurley is about as slam dunk as it gets IMO. He has the total package; size, speed, explosiveness, foot speed, vision, power, pad level, hands, leg drive and even break away speed. I can't really think of anything he doesn't pretty much excel at. As for Gordon, I like him a good bit. I'm not sure if he is a 1st rounder. I'm not sure if he's better than Davis to be honest... Which I think is the better question, Gordon vs. Davis. They seem like the top 2 guys behind Gurley for me. I'm a little concerned that Gordon's game is too much finesse like Seastrunk last year. Let me be clear in saying I think he's better than Seastrunk (who I never liked all that much). Personally, I'm still sorting those 2 guys out in my rankings. I'm also looking forward to watching Duke Johnson healthy again. I loved him 2 years ago. Jay Ajayi is another guy I need to watch a lot more of this year.
Option 1, probably not. Option 2, probably yes. Option 3, absolutely if you can pull it off.
Smells a lot like the guys that wanted to make headlines so they wrote articles about why they'd rather have Marshawn Lynch than Adrian Peterson.
Gurley will be only 21 next season. Martin will be 26. The age difference alone is enough to put Gurley over Martin.
He has played one half of one season since 2011. He was 20 and 21 years old during his two Auburn seasons. Not old enough to where you can say his success was due to him being over-aged. He's over-aged now and that's a legitimate problem, but not enough to justify the discount that's been applied to his market value. 25 isn't THAT old. I'd be pretty happy to get a 25 year old MJD or Michael Turner for what Dyer costs now.
A lot will depend on the bounce of the ball when it comes to team context. Will he go to a team like Tampa or Philly that already has an entrenched young starter? Nobody knows. He should be one of the top 15-25 backs in the league from day one though.
Yes. Maxx Williams is my #1 TE for the 2015
Saying it doesn't make it true. I think Ebron was pretty close to being worthy of that pick and most of the online draft sites had him rated in that general ballpark. I don't think Williams is that good. He will probably be an NFL player and maybe even a high-ish pick, but I don't see special talent.Xue said:
Ebron had fairly average combine numbers. His shuttle and 3-cone were horrible. He had a nice 40, that's about it. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=119778&draftyear=2014&genpos=TE
My point was that Koyack is considered a pretty good prospect already, so it's not much of a stretch for me to put him as one of the better draft-eligible TEs. And you'll note that I've never made any ridiculous claims about him being an elite prospect or better than Ebron. He's simply a player who looks promising to me who can be had for cheap. Nothing more.
Possible? Sure. Doesn't mean it's likely. When you are one of three TEs picked in the top 10 in the last decade, it's really unlikely that any given college TE with potential is going to wind up being a higher pick. I tend to put more stock in likelihoods than possibilities. It's possible that the sun won't rise tomorrow. Since it isn't likely, I'm going to plan accordingly. Likewise, it's possible that there's a TE or even multiple TEs in college football who will become better NFL players than Ebron. Based on where he went in the draft and how hard it is for a player at his position to go that high, I'd feel pretty comfortable betting against any one single individual college TE having a better pro career.
You're right. Your ridiculous claim is that Maxx Williams is a hipster pick. It's only "obscure" because you don't have a major draft source to reference. Who are the #1 and #2 Senior TEs?
Williams was a 2nd team All-Freshman pick by CFN all the way back in December. It's not contrarian to say he's a decent prospect. Only when you stretch that to say he's better than Ebron. Very unlikely. Just seems like another attempt at a hero call, which is your MO. You are always saying that such and such top prospect is overrated and that such and such hidden gem (Chris Boyd, Brian Quick, and Sean Price) are the real studs. You do it so much that I don't take any of it seriously. Like I said before, it's the boy who cried bust.
This doesn't really make any sense. If it was obvious in limited viewing that he "wasn't that talented" then how did he become a consensus top 15-18 prospect in the draft a year later after people saw more of him? You would expect people to have a better understanding of a player's ability the more they see of him.
Absolutely. These things are all important considerations. Most self-styled experts would do better if they used draft position as their #1 starting point for determining player value instead of believing that they're gurus who have all the answers. Personally, I'll deviate from the consensus a bit here and there, but generally my rankings adhere pretty closely to conventional wisdom with slight variations within tiers based on personal preference and subjective factors. Years of experience have taught me that this is a pretty good way to go. On the other hand, constantly making hero calls is a good way to wind up busto.
Ebron has already been vetted by the professional draft process as a top 10 pick. Based on draft position, he's one of the top 3 TE prospects of the past decade. You might not think he's that good, but that's where he went. Any time you compare a promising college player to one of the top 3 prospects at his position in the past decade, you're setting yourself up to look silly. It's a halfcourt jumper. I don't think it's equivalent to comparing one 5 star college freshman to a 5 star college sophomore who caught 72 passes for 608 yards as a freshman. I would say the odds of Noil approximating Treadwell's performance and generating similar hype are a lot higher than the odds of Williams being regarded as a top 10-15 prospect in his draft. So no, I don't think it's fair.
You still don't get it. Once again.Being "drafted in the top 10" is different from actually being talented enough to be labeled a "top 10 talent".
Yet you were willing to put so much effort into evaluating Ebron's talent based on his draft slot.
