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Direct Headline: Democrats Don’t Want You To Know How Much Fossil Fuel It Takes To Power Electric Cars
Amid inflationary U.S. federal spending, restrictions on domestic oil production, and the current Russia-Ukraine conflict, millions of Americans are suffering the consequences of the Biden administration’s dysfunction at the gas pump.....Instead of investing in American energy, Democrats are actively suppressing the American energy industry and then telling Americans to spend their savings on overpriced electric cars to solve their problems. But the left isn’t being honest about the environmental and financial costs of those trendy electric vehicles....
To advance their climate agenda and deflect backlash about rising gas prices, Democrats are telling Americans that driving electric cars is for the greater good of the environment, fully knowing the charging stations for these cars are not fossil fuel free.....In reality, one of Tesla’s Supercharger stations was reported to get 13 percent of their energy from natural gas and 27 percent from coal. Power plants burn coal to generate electricity to power electric cars and emit a higher fossil fuel footprint than the left would care to admit. ....While these vehicles may be falsely advertised, many who invest in these overpriced cars are able to avoid paying the currently outrageous gas prices. Still, Americans’ growing reliance on electric cars and the batteries they require will increase our dependence on countries such as China for materials.
“Chinese companies, particularly CATL, have secured vast supplies of the raw materials that go inside the batteries,” The New York Times reported in December. “That dominance has stirred fears in Washington that Detroit could someday be rendered obsolete, and that Beijing could control American driving in the 21st century the way that oil-producing nations sometimes could in the 20th....” ....By increasing our use of electric cars, the United States will require more lithium batteries and will further rely on China to sustain our supply. While the current energy crisis could be an opportunity for America to increase our energy independence, the current administration refuses to take advantage. ...As long as the United States continues to outsource production and jobs to China, it will be hardworking Americans who suffer the economic consequences of our energy dependence....
By: Alasdaire Fleitas March 16, 2022
https://thefederalist.com/2022/03/16/democrats-dont-want-you-to-know-how-much-fossil-fuel-it-takes-to-power-electric-cars/
VIDEO: The Contradictions of Battery Operated Vehicles | Graham Conway | TEDxSanAntonio Jan 31, 2020
BEVs are commonly sold under the guise of being ‘Zero Emissions,’ an assertion that is not true by any definition. Brake pads produce emissions, as do tires and even interiors under sunlight. The electricity that powers BEVs is generated by power plants, 64% of which burn fossil fuels in the U.S.—fossil fuels that contribute to greenhouse gas emissions and global warming. Even more importantly, there are significant CO2 emissions created during the manufacture of the battery pack, meaning that in order to offset the carbon created during the production process, a BEV must drive 40,000 - 100,000 miles before being environmentally comparable to a gasoline-powered vehicle. Dr. Graham Conway is a Principal Engineer in the Automotive Division at Southwest Research Institute. For the last ten years he has been immersed in evaluating automotive technologies and consulting for car companies and suppliers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1E8SQde5rk
Direct Headline: Biden’s Electric Vehicle Plan Without Mining Expansion Is A Big Win For Beijing
President Joe Biden announced plans Thursday to push auto sales to be 50 percent electric by 2030 with new regulations, as part of the administration’s effort to promote cleaner energy....“There [is] a vision of the future that is now beginning to happen,” Biden said.... “A future of the automobile industry that is electric. Battery electric, plug-in, hybrid electric, fuel cell electric, it’s electric and there’s no turning back....”
That future however, may also feature swelling American reliance on one of its greatest overseas adversaries: China....Less than five percent of all new cars on the U.S. market were purely electric vehicles and less than four percent were plug-in hybrids as of June, according to the Energy Department’s Argonne National Laboratory. Not only will the government-manufactured shift to up that number by 12 times require massive state subsidies for a slow-growing industry, as Biden promised, but it will exacerbate American dependence on Chinese mineral production to make the car batteries needed.
According to the New York Times, China makes “70 to 80 percent of the world’s battery chemicals, battery anodes and battery cells,” and dominates the market for electric motor magnets....“China controls the cards in the battery supply chain,” Vivas Kumar, the former Tesla manager of battery materials, told the paper in February....Meanwhile, the Unites States lags behind when it comes to even mining its own minerals such as lithium and cobalt, let alone processing them at home. While both are more common components of electric cars, the Chinese also remain dominant in the extraction and refinement of the 17 rare earth minerals, some of which are in the batteries too.
“The Middle East has oil, and China has rare earth,” said former Chinese Communist Party Leader Deng Xiaoping..... Since then, China has outpaced the United States as the world’s largest producer of rare minerals, raising production by 500 percent...“The [electric vehicle] industry can’t exist without China, and there is no plan to displace China as the supplier of these minerals...”...The dramatic increase in battery demand that would accompany making 50 percent of new cars electric is a big win for Beijing.
....“Experts predict a nearly 500 percent increase in mineral demand created by the push to decarbonize the world.... Alaska is the place to find a responsible way to meet this demand,” wrote Alaskan Republican Gov. Mike Dunleavy in the Wall Street Journal three months ago.... “No major mining accident has occurred in Alaska, yet the U.S. continues to sources its minerals from the Congo, South Africa and China while Washington regulators deny permits to projects on state of Alaska lands designed for mining.”
China, meanwhile, has made no secret of its plans to exploit American dependence on its mineral operations. The Wall Street Journal reported on a 2019 Beijing-funded report on rare-earth policy, which wrote, “China will not rule out using rare earth exports as leverage to deal with” a U.S.-China trade war...
With other nations, China already has weaponized its supply-chain power. In 2010, the country blocked rare-earth mineral exports to Japan, a developed but resource-poor country which relied heavily on the Chinese products.
By: Tristan Justice August 07, 2021
https://thefederalist.com/2021/08/07/bidens-electric-vehicle-plan-without-mining-expansion-is-a-big-win-for-beijing/
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"There are no solutions, only tradeoffs." -Thomas Sowell
Electric vehicles and the hard push by the current Democratic Party and the Biden Administration, via their public policies, to literally force Americans to purchase them ( well those who can afford them and find them), create natural and complex economic concerns, environmental concerns and national security concerns.
Typical questions arise:
Can the average every day working class American actually afford an electric vehicle? What about the brutally expensive cost of replacing an EV car battery?
What about those with professions or circumstances where EVs are simply not practical? ( For example, the majority of our food stocks we have in grocery stores are delivered via big rig trucks through diesel)
Is there enough infrastructure in place with chargers, including super chargers, to make widespread use viable for practical every day life?
What about the strain on the energy grid if widespread use of EV's become reality? What about the impact of the fossil fuels burned to power all those chargers?
What about the environmental impact with outdated/old EV car batteries plus the human rights devastation caused in how the rare minerals are mined and procured to make the batteries in the first place?
How do you manage the environmental impact when there is literally no structure/no plans/no logistics in current place to deal with the projected millions of tons of old EV car batteries?
What about national security and America's future unavoidable reliance on China and the CCP for these critical car batteries?
Is the hard push for EV's rooted from leftist "Limousine Liberal" policymakers whose viewpoints are largely based on metropolitan experiences because they don't live outside of Big Blue Cities?
If Americans drive an estimated 3.2 trillion miles per year. And each electric vehicle uses, on average, 0.3 kW-hrs of energy to go 1 mile, how does the United States create that much abundant "clean energy" just to produce the electricity needed for the cars, much less all the other requirements of day to day living?
What happens in the future if the cost of electricity becomes more expensive than gasoline?
Is it time to accept nuclear power is the only hope to create the abundant energy needed for all these EVs? And if so, how does that fit into the "being more environmentally friendly" approach?
And what about Hunter Biden's role in all this? (Where he's been accused of being an alleged "bagman" for his father, POTUS Joe Biden, aka "The Big Guy", where all energy decisions from Biden seem to line up with supporting the CCP and China's interests over America's interests, even to the point of risking our national security. )
My take? The woke radical left and the core of the current establishment Democrats behave in a manner and push public policy that lines their own pockets and punishes everyday working class Americans. Their ingrained dogma believes there is only one solution to any large scale social problem. And deviating from their utopian woke vision means you must be silenced and punished. All criticisms of their single minded solution, no matter the actual merit, is confronted head on:
1) By accusing critics of not caring enough/not being ideologically "pure" enough
2) By gaslighting critics through accusing them of not realizing the time to solve the problem is immediately - no matter the failure in planning, logistics and long term damage inflicted
3) By demonizing you as a terrible person without any hope of redemption.
I'll leave this here for others to discuss.
Changed Title From:
The Economic, Environmental & National Security Contradictions Of Battery Operated/Electric Vehicles (6/7/22 1:10 PST)
To:
Do Democrats Intentionally Ignore How Much Fossil Fuel It Takes To Power Electric Cars? (6/7/22 1:10 PST)
EDIT: 6/22/22 18:27 PST
Amid inflationary U.S. federal spending, restrictions on domestic oil production, and the current Russia-Ukraine conflict, millions of Americans are suffering the consequences of the Biden administration’s dysfunction at the gas pump.....Instead of investing in American energy, Democrats are actively suppressing the American energy industry and then telling Americans to spend their savings on overpriced electric cars to solve their problems. But the left isn’t being honest about the environmental and financial costs of those trendy electric vehicles....
To advance their climate agenda and deflect backlash about rising gas prices, Democrats are telling Americans that driving electric cars is for the greater good of the environment, fully knowing the charging stations for these cars are not fossil fuel free.....In reality, one of Tesla’s Supercharger stations was reported to get 13 percent of their energy from natural gas and 27 percent from coal. Power plants burn coal to generate electricity to power electric cars and emit a higher fossil fuel footprint than the left would care to admit. ....While these vehicles may be falsely advertised, many who invest in these overpriced cars are able to avoid paying the currently outrageous gas prices. Still, Americans’ growing reliance on electric cars and the batteries they require will increase our dependence on countries such as China for materials.
“Chinese companies, particularly CATL, have secured vast supplies of the raw materials that go inside the batteries,” The New York Times reported in December. “That dominance has stirred fears in Washington that Detroit could someday be rendered obsolete, and that Beijing could control American driving in the 21st century the way that oil-producing nations sometimes could in the 20th....” ....By increasing our use of electric cars, the United States will require more lithium batteries and will further rely on China to sustain our supply. While the current energy crisis could be an opportunity for America to increase our energy independence, the current administration refuses to take advantage. ...As long as the United States continues to outsource production and jobs to China, it will be hardworking Americans who suffer the economic consequences of our energy dependence....
By: Alasdaire Fleitas March 16, 2022
https://thefederalist.com/2022/03/16/democrats-dont-want-you-to-know-how-much-fossil-fuel-it-takes-to-power-electric-cars/
VIDEO: The Contradictions of Battery Operated Vehicles | Graham Conway | TEDxSanAntonio Jan 31, 2020
BEVs are commonly sold under the guise of being ‘Zero Emissions,’ an assertion that is not true by any definition. Brake pads produce emissions, as do tires and even interiors under sunlight. The electricity that powers BEVs is generated by power plants, 64% of which burn fossil fuels in the U.S.—fossil fuels that contribute to greenhouse gas emissions and global warming. Even more importantly, there are significant CO2 emissions created during the manufacture of the battery pack, meaning that in order to offset the carbon created during the production process, a BEV must drive 40,000 - 100,000 miles before being environmentally comparable to a gasoline-powered vehicle. Dr. Graham Conway is a Principal Engineer in the Automotive Division at Southwest Research Institute. For the last ten years he has been immersed in evaluating automotive technologies and consulting for car companies and suppliers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1E8SQde5rk
Direct Headline: Biden’s Electric Vehicle Plan Without Mining Expansion Is A Big Win For Beijing
President Joe Biden announced plans Thursday to push auto sales to be 50 percent electric by 2030 with new regulations, as part of the administration’s effort to promote cleaner energy....“There [is] a vision of the future that is now beginning to happen,” Biden said.... “A future of the automobile industry that is electric. Battery electric, plug-in, hybrid electric, fuel cell electric, it’s electric and there’s no turning back....”
That future however, may also feature swelling American reliance on one of its greatest overseas adversaries: China....Less than five percent of all new cars on the U.S. market were purely electric vehicles and less than four percent were plug-in hybrids as of June, according to the Energy Department’s Argonne National Laboratory. Not only will the government-manufactured shift to up that number by 12 times require massive state subsidies for a slow-growing industry, as Biden promised, but it will exacerbate American dependence on Chinese mineral production to make the car batteries needed.
According to the New York Times, China makes “70 to 80 percent of the world’s battery chemicals, battery anodes and battery cells,” and dominates the market for electric motor magnets....“China controls the cards in the battery supply chain,” Vivas Kumar, the former Tesla manager of battery materials, told the paper in February....Meanwhile, the Unites States lags behind when it comes to even mining its own minerals such as lithium and cobalt, let alone processing them at home. While both are more common components of electric cars, the Chinese also remain dominant in the extraction and refinement of the 17 rare earth minerals, some of which are in the batteries too.
“The Middle East has oil, and China has rare earth,” said former Chinese Communist Party Leader Deng Xiaoping..... Since then, China has outpaced the United States as the world’s largest producer of rare minerals, raising production by 500 percent...“The [electric vehicle] industry can’t exist without China, and there is no plan to displace China as the supplier of these minerals...”...The dramatic increase in battery demand that would accompany making 50 percent of new cars electric is a big win for Beijing.
....“Experts predict a nearly 500 percent increase in mineral demand created by the push to decarbonize the world.... Alaska is the place to find a responsible way to meet this demand,” wrote Alaskan Republican Gov. Mike Dunleavy in the Wall Street Journal three months ago.... “No major mining accident has occurred in Alaska, yet the U.S. continues to sources its minerals from the Congo, South Africa and China while Washington regulators deny permits to projects on state of Alaska lands designed for mining.”
China, meanwhile, has made no secret of its plans to exploit American dependence on its mineral operations. The Wall Street Journal reported on a 2019 Beijing-funded report on rare-earth policy, which wrote, “China will not rule out using rare earth exports as leverage to deal with” a U.S.-China trade war...
With other nations, China already has weaponized its supply-chain power. In 2010, the country blocked rare-earth mineral exports to Japan, a developed but resource-poor country which relied heavily on the Chinese products.
By: Tristan Justice August 07, 2021
https://thefederalist.com/2021/08/07/bidens-electric-vehicle-plan-without-mining-expansion-is-a-big-win-for-beijing/
*******
"There are no solutions, only tradeoffs." -Thomas Sowell
Electric vehicles and the hard push by the current Democratic Party and the Biden Administration, via their public policies, to literally force Americans to purchase them ( well those who can afford them and find them), create natural and complex economic concerns, environmental concerns and national security concerns.
Typical questions arise:
Can the average every day working class American actually afford an electric vehicle? What about the brutally expensive cost of replacing an EV car battery?
What about those with professions or circumstances where EVs are simply not practical? ( For example, the majority of our food stocks we have in grocery stores are delivered via big rig trucks through diesel)
Is there enough infrastructure in place with chargers, including super chargers, to make widespread use viable for practical every day life?
What about the strain on the energy grid if widespread use of EV's become reality? What about the impact of the fossil fuels burned to power all those chargers?
What about the environmental impact with outdated/old EV car batteries plus the human rights devastation caused in how the rare minerals are mined and procured to make the batteries in the first place?
How do you manage the environmental impact when there is literally no structure/no plans/no logistics in current place to deal with the projected millions of tons of old EV car batteries?
What about national security and America's future unavoidable reliance on China and the CCP for these critical car batteries?
Is the hard push for EV's rooted from leftist "Limousine Liberal" policymakers whose viewpoints are largely based on metropolitan experiences because they don't live outside of Big Blue Cities?
If Americans drive an estimated 3.2 trillion miles per year. And each electric vehicle uses, on average, 0.3 kW-hrs of energy to go 1 mile, how does the United States create that much abundant "clean energy" just to produce the electricity needed for the cars, much less all the other requirements of day to day living?
What happens in the future if the cost of electricity becomes more expensive than gasoline?
Is it time to accept nuclear power is the only hope to create the abundant energy needed for all these EVs? And if so, how does that fit into the "being more environmentally friendly" approach?
And what about Hunter Biden's role in all this? (Where he's been accused of being an alleged "bagman" for his father, POTUS Joe Biden, aka "The Big Guy", where all energy decisions from Biden seem to line up with supporting the CCP and China's interests over America's interests, even to the point of risking our national security. )
My take? The woke radical left and the core of the current establishment Democrats behave in a manner and push public policy that lines their own pockets and punishes everyday working class Americans. Their ingrained dogma believes there is only one solution to any large scale social problem. And deviating from their utopian woke vision means you must be silenced and punished. All criticisms of their single minded solution, no matter the actual merit, is confronted head on:
1) By accusing critics of not caring enough/not being ideologically "pure" enough
2) By gaslighting critics through accusing them of not realizing the time to solve the problem is immediately - no matter the failure in planning, logistics and long term damage inflicted
3) By demonizing you as a terrible person without any hope of redemption.
I'll leave this here for others to discuss.
Changed Title From:
The Economic, Environmental & National Security Contradictions Of Battery Operated/Electric Vehicles (6/7/22 1:10 PST)
To:
Do Democrats Intentionally Ignore How Much Fossil Fuel It Takes To Power Electric Cars? (6/7/22 1:10 PST)
EDIT: 6/22/22 18:27 PST
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