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How a it be a record loss when they won 5 key states by less than a point each?
Probably the #1 reason why the results were such a suprise. Anyone who voted Trump did so in silence because they didn't want to be called any of these things.
I keep seeing the resident liberals posting this. It's becoming more apparent that Trump is going to win the popular vote too. And as it stands right now (before the results are actual final), Hillary only won the popular vote by like 300K - hardly a number that signifies anything in a voter pool of roughly 120 million.
I don't want to come on here and be a Trump shill, but c'mon man, that Trump even pulled this off is staggering. It shouldn't have been close, of course this is a huge win for Trump supporters. How he governs, as you suggest, will determine if this is a win for the Republican Party.
Nobody is going anywhere and not to Canada. I was in Windsor to Toronto for 20 days last year for work..all I heard was pissing and moaning about bad the economy is, high taxes, housing costs, and bad the medical system is and they need "change" and how did things get so bad here.
The Dems need to remember their no. 1 historic theme is economics.
All the dirty stunts the DNC pulled will have a lasting impact. Anyone associated with Hillary & these cheaters will be toxic. They need a Democrat to step up and call out the establishment DNC. The entire party is up for grabs imo, and Bernie supporters have the loudest voice right now.
IIRC Dean was chair for Obama 08, right? And he was on the right tack vs Kerry in 04.Pulling for Dean
I'm not either, but the bench isn't exactly filled at this point. Ideally it's someone not associated with either side and not in Congress, but the only person like that is someone like Van Jones or one of Obama's people if they want the job (I'm guessing they don't and I'm not sure how well that would go over anyway since they were so pro-Hillary).
Bernie voters can get rekt. You don't throw a pity party and not show up, and then expect a seat at the table.
I was more thinking that the Plouffe orbit. I think they obviously need their organizational abilities to continue, I just think they lost some of their credibility in the eyes of a bunch of Dem supporters with their assuredness on Clinton's success in the general. Maybe I'm wrong though...wouldn't be the first time this year.
The one issue is the DNC is starting to lose the lower class and uneducated black and Hispanic vote that was assured for decades. Life has not improved for them. In Detroit a local pastor was out stumping for Trump saying Trump is talking to us to us..not at us. So if things improve at all this trend could continue.
The same thing happened in 2008, they let Obama run to get some steam for a 2016 re-run never thinking they could be flattened. I'm not sure how the above is shocking to anyone.
I agree with this. While I think they need to take a hard look at their platform, it was as much a turnout issue as anything else. Now it shouldn't have been so close and that is the problem.
Trump is a populist and a nationalist. He will lead from the far right on most issues. He will start off by aggressively pursuing his immigration agenda understanding the bit about the wall has to be won in congress. He is already surrounding himself with Republicans who have pushed for mass deportations and the rest of that agenda. He can pull off most of it but the wall. He will certainly work hard to scrap the ACA.
I would agree with this. It all depends where Trump goes. They essentially need to zig where he zags. If he goes full on populist, they need to go away from Warren and Sanders. If he goes traditionally conservative, then Warren/Sanders may still resonate. Personally I'm fearful of the populist route this country seems headed towards but somehow, neither party seems to really care.
Well, I disagree. Either it's optimism or denial, but I don't think GOP congressmen will go along with any of this far right stuff. He can't simply build a wall, and can't simply deport people. And he sure as hell can't just shut down the ACA. All of these things have hooks. And special interests behind them.Chaos Commish said:
It's a rock and hard place for him, and the GOP as a whole. The reason he was able to get his core base, the Breitbart/Alt-Right gang, so fired up was by his big talk about doing these things that Republicans have failed to do since taking back congress in 2010. While he won the election, there's not a lot of evidence for wide support on a lot of those. Or in the case of the ACA, while in theory people don't like the law (and it's pretty evenly divided now) they like specific parts of it that will be really hard to work around.
Here's the thing though - working people, including UMW members, don't want their government deciding what and who and when to put them out of business.
The Coal people look to the Paris agreement and think that it's a shot at them, but the truth is Obama signed it knowing full well that the future of America is off Coal no matter what happens. Take us off coal and we hit those metrics easily. And that's without regulating one single mine out of existence. This message was so horribly bungled by HRC and the DNC, But really, I don't know what credibility they had in saying it would be any better under HRC than BHO. You know at least the GOP loves ####ting on the environment so go with that, and see what happens.
I did a bit of digging - the numbers are slightly skewed by Nader and Perot, but here is what I have for Percentage of Total Population who voted D or R
