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We have entire Baptist congregations here that are well known for their liberalism. Try again.
Sure. what would you like to have a real discussion about?Some very predictable comments in here:
- she's too wordy, too stupid, its poorly written
- the other side does it, too
- she never really was a leftist
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So now that we have all of those out of the way, anyone want a real discussion?
So disappointed that I failed a test based on the scribblings of a crackpot. Just your typical leftist here I guess!
Oh, OK. There is a church somewhere "known for their liberalism".
I think #8 is a great point for discussion. Why are liberals so insistent on doing something that they often provide little to no real benefit? In other words, they mistake action for progress. And why can't they realize that sometimes doing nothing is actually the best course of action?Sure. what would you like to have a real discussion about?Some very predictable comments in here:
- she's too wordy, too stupid, its poorly written
- the other side does it, too
- she never really was a leftist
-
So now that we have all of those out of the way, anyone want a real discussion?
This board is the only place you run into libs? Goodness. I just figured you brought up your faith here because of the anonymity of a message board. Do people really talk about it in the real world? Nobody does where I live and work. Everybody figures it's personal.
You mean like praying?I think #8 is a great point for discussion. Why are liberals so insistent on doing something that they often provide little to no real benefit? In other words, they mistake action for progress. And why can't they realize that sometimes doing nothing is actually the best course of action?Sure. what would you like to have a real discussion about?Some very predictable comments in here:
- she's too wordy, too stupid, its poorly written
- the other side does it, too
- she never really was a leftist
-
So now that we have all of those out of the way, anyone want a real discussion?
Every single person I work with is an active member of their church. We pray before company lunches and talk about Bible verses during company time. Only me and my boss knew each other before any of us worked together.
Sorry kid, the big boys would like to talk in here. Go play with your friends somewhere.You mean like praying?I think #8 is a great point for discussion. Why are liberals so insistent on doing something that they often provide little to no real benefit? In other words, they mistake action for progress. And why can't they realize that sometimes doing nothing is actually the best course of action?Sure. what would you like to have a real discussion about?Some very predictable comments in here:
- she's too wordy, too stupid, its poorly written
- the other side does it, too
- she never really was a leftist
-
So now that we have all of those out of the way, anyone want a real discussion?
Typical left elitist putting down the working class. Good thing you guys helped this moron to get health insurance she was clearly too stupid to figure it out.
Sorry kid, the big boys would like to talk in here. Go play with your friends somewhere.You mean like praying?I think #8 is a great point for discussion. Why are liberals so insistent on doing something that they often provide little to no real benefit? In other words, they mistake action for progress. And why can't they realize that sometimes doing nothing is actually the best course of action?Sure. what would you like to have a real discussion about?Some very predictable comments in here:
- she's too wordy, too stupid, its poorly written
- the other side does it, too
- she never really was a leftist
-
So now that we have all of those out of the way, anyone want a real discussion?
I was being serious. "doing nothing" is not a couse of "action".
How did you manage that? Do you only hire Evangelicals? Not one person in your company doesn't believe? Last poll I saw said 20% of Americans either identified as Atheist or Agnostic.
I would be burned at the stake in your world. What do the non-believers do when everybody else prays before company lunches? I can't fathom being in that environment (even though I'm from a place where the county commissioners insist on praying before conducting business -- amazing to me).
It is very common where I live which is an upper-middle class 98% white community in the self-proclaimed "buckle" of the Bible belt. There are probably more evangelical churches per capita here than anywhere in the country.
There are only six of us, and there are no non-Christians that work for us. If you mean when we are out in public, seeing a group of people praying before a meal at a restaurant is a very common occurrence here.
Well, I will go to the wall for your right to do that but I'll also try to convince you to stop. All that traditional faith cannot be helpful for the country's progress. Fortunately, I don't think you're going to be able to maintain your numbers in the long haul. By and large, the millennials aren't having much of it.
Only a hate-filled leftist would view such a meaningful gesture of healing as delusional and self-aggrandizing behavior
Do not mistake Christianity for a lack of progress. They too often go hand in hand, but aren't 100% correlated.
This is a great thing about the FFA. It's pretty much my only real exposure to the views of evangelical Christians and conservatives like you seem to encounter all the time. There are evangelicals and conservatives around here, but not all that many, and I don't have these sorts of discussions with them.
Weird how these responses about being mentally indigent make me side with her.
I would say that the example she gives in #8 is the opposite of the "it's the thought that counts" model. I think providing competent representation for those who are too poor to defend themselves is an essential part of the American justice system, and I think it's viewed as more of a "liberal" idea (the states that didn't automatically provide lawyers until Gideon were almost all in the south) and the people who typically serve as public defenders are typically both (1) overworked and underpaid, and (2) liberal.I think #8 is a great point for discussion. Why are liberals so insistent on doing something that they often provide little to no real benefit? In other words, they mistake action for progress. And why can't they realize that sometimes doing nothing is actually the best course of action?Sure. what would you like to have a real discussion about?Some very predictable comments in here:
- she's too wordy, too stupid, its poorly written
- the other side does it, too
- she never really was a leftist
-
So now that we have all of those out of the way, anyone want a real discussion?
I fear (and the article seems to indicate this as well) that they aren't really out to help others, but to make themselves feel better, or making themselves look better to their friends. It isn't really about what they say it is about and is a big turn off, yet people rarely call them out on it because the are "doing something" about the problem even though what they do doesn't really help. Its a lot like a Christian who feels better after dropping a few bucks in the offering plate but goes ahead and cheats on his taxes.
Don't forget that our Central Maryland Sinners' Society meeting won't be held next week because we'll all be getting drunk for the holiday.This is a great thing about the FFA. It's pretty much my only real exposure to the views of evangelical Christians and conservatives like you seem to encounter all the time. There are evangelicals and conservatives around here, but not all that many, and I don't have these sorts of discussions with them.
I assume you mean this passage: "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full."
Was wondering why I hadn't gotten the email yetDon't forget that our Central Maryland Sinners' Society meeting won't be held next week because we'll all be getting drunk for the holiday.This is a great thing about the FFA. It's pretty much my only real exposure to the views of evangelical Christians and conservatives like you seem to encounter all the time. There are evangelicals and conservatives around here, but not all that many, and I don't have these sorts of discussions with them.
This is an overstatement, but I do think that liberals tend to view things in terms of oppressors and oppressed more often than conservatives do. That's part of Arnold Kling's hypothesis in Three Languages of Politics, and I think its predictions tend to be impressively accurate. If you're trying to guess what side of an issue liberals will be on, and what side conservatives will be on, go through the following exercise. (1) To the extent possible, try to identify which side is being oppressed, and which side is doing the oppressing. The liberals will take the side of the first group. (2) To the extent possible, try to identify which side is upholding civilization and which side is acting kind of barbarous. The conservatives will take the side of the first group. Kling doesn't argue that anything like that thought process is actually occurring in liberals or conservatives -- not consciously, at least -- only that its predictions are accurate. Every time I've applied it to an issue, it does seem to hit the mark.
This is a good example of what I was just talking about. It's a gross overgeneralization to say that all liberals remain quiet about female genital mutilation. But as a group, they're probably quieter than they would be if the mutilators didn't themselves in many ways belong to an oppressed group.
I'd say both sides do this in roughly equal amounts. She's right to call it out on the left; she's wrong to use it as a reason to join the right.
I am not sure I agree on this point that both sides do this equally in this case. Maybe it is because liberals tend to control the learning institutions and much of the media, but from what I see the left is far more likely to surpress and not even acknowledge the other side, and when they do it is often in the form of a strawman such as insisting the other side is purely motivated by racism or money. Even on this forum that tactic is used by the liberal side much more often than by the right.
The writer of the article failed the exercise of looking in the mirror. She looked in the mirror, saw herself, and thought it was other people.
Anything resembling "true" liberalism is always rooted in tolerance of differences. It's right in the definition.Jayrod said:
I think you underestimate the extent to which people on the right do the same thing, but you may be correct that people on the left do it more. (By it, I mean failing to understand and ably articulate the other side's arguments, resorting to strawmen instead.)jon_mx said:
Jonathan Haidt makes some interesting points. A more thought-provoking person on the subject of Liberal vs. Conservative thinking than the lady of the OP. Here is an article on him which was a pretty good read:
