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WR Treylon Burks, TEN (1 Viewer)
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satch
Footballguy
With Levis looking good last week, anyone thinking Burks could be a significant fantasy contributor going forward?
Burks entered the league with stud potential and now has a QB that may be capable of helping him reach that potential. With Hopkins drawing the most defensive attention, Burks may find himself on the receiving end of many Levis’ deep balls.
Additionally, Hopkins is a little long in the tooth, so it wouldn’t be surprising to see him miss time at some point. In fact, he’s supposedly dealing with a toe injury right now. (Turf toe?) If Hopkins misses time, and Burks can flip the proverbial switch, Levis-to-Burks could be a major thing, no?
Burks entered the league with stud potential and now has a QB that may be capable of helping him reach that potential. With Hopkins drawing the most defensive attention, Burks may find himself on the receiving end of many Levis’ deep balls.
Additionally, Hopkins is a little long in the tooth, so it wouldn’t be surprising to see him miss time at some point. In fact, he’s supposedly dealing with a toe injury right now. (Turf toe?) If Hopkins misses time, and Burks can flip the proverbial switch, Levis-to-Burks could be a major thing, no?
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eagles 123
Footballguy
Yes. Definitely potential long term play if Levis is legit. Hoping he doesn’t break out this week so I can stash next week but probably will tonight.
jtd13
Footballguy
Burks' biggest issue has been injuries, especially poorly timed issues. It seems like the knee injury in camp was still affecting him before he missed a few weeks this year as well. He seemed fast in a straight line but super stiff anywhere else. Hopefully he can string some good weeks together.
He had 2 nice downfield targets last week in his first game back. The first he didn't really go up and get it, and it was knocked away. It was a nice throw and I thought burks' was a bit passive giving the defense a chance to bat it. The second he went up and got nicely, but the throw was just a bit out of bounds. His 3rd target was a quick out on 4th and 3 where he converted but it came back for an offensive penalty.
He had 2 nice downfield targets last week in his first game back. The first he didn't really go up and get it, and it was knocked away. It was a nice throw and I thought burks' was a bit passive giving the defense a chance to bat it. The second he went up and got nicely, but the throw was just a bit out of bounds. His 3rd target was a quick out on 4th and 3 where he converted but it came back for an offensive penalty.
Wrigley
Footballguy
added, just in case
Sunday Gravy
Footballguy
Really not a part of the offense here.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
They said after the game he was in the training room, walking on his own, but definitely dizzy.
NajehHejan
Footballguy
That was a scary play. Yes, he hit his head first on the turf, but his body hit as well very shortly thereafter, so to a layman on his couch who has never participated in real sports whatsoever, it didn’t look terribly bad, but he NEVER MOVED for like minutes upon end, which made me very nervous for his wellbeing, so glad it sounds like he’s relatively ok.
Big Nate
Footballguy
This guy has had a rough go to start his career. Wish him the best in his recovery. I still believe he could have a decent NFL career and recently traded for him in one dynasty league. It might not be happening this year but if Levis ends up being the QB things could be getting better in TEN for the passing game. Not saying Levis will be good but he likes to sling it which is good for the receivers. Levis chucked it 39 times last night - a number Tannehill hasn't hit in 3 years.
If you believe in the talent I feel this is a buy opportunity. At least the risk/capital of acquiring him is much less than it was last year.
If you believe in the talent I feel this is a buy opportunity. At least the risk/capital of acquiring him is much less than it was last year.
Big Nate
Footballguy
Fair enough, especially in redraft. Could be a multi-week recovery from this head/neck injury? Dynasty I'm willing to be patient as a new owner.
Max Power
Footballguy
I acquired him a couple weeks back in a league I'm rebuilding in. I wasn't super high on him, but he was the right player to get from owner who is making a run.
Watched some camp and hype videos and my first thought was how slow he looks. There was minimal explosion off the line or out of cuts. However he was a first round pick and has some size, so I felt I could overlook it.
Then I watched the ATL/TEN game and didn't see anything special about the guy. Their #3 and 4 WRs looked better. As one poster mentioned above, he was targeted on a deep route that would have been a huge play, but he didn't even go after the ball in a contested situation. It blows my mind there are still WRs in the NFL who play like that.
Last night was more of the same. He's out there. He's single covered, he just isn't getting open.
I think I want to sell to cut my losses at this point.
Watched some camp and hype videos and my first thought was how slow he looks. There was minimal explosion off the line or out of cuts. However he was a first round pick and has some size, so I felt I could overlook it.
Then I watched the ATL/TEN game and didn't see anything special about the guy. Their #3 and 4 WRs looked better. As one poster mentioned above, he was targeted on a deep route that would have been a huge play, but he didn't even go after the ball in a contested situation. It blows my mind there are still WRs in the NFL who play like that.
Last night was more of the same. He's out there. He's single covered, he just isn't getting open.
I think I want to sell to cut my losses at this point.
Wrigley
Footballguy
And dropped
Big Nate
Footballguy
Fair comments. I also saw him still hobbling a little so I'm not sure he was 100% yet. Some of the camp highlights I saw when he was healthy he looked better. I'm not sure he has been 100% since camp though which is another issue.
If you do want to cut bait I'm not sure now is the time as his value is probably at the all time lowest. He's young and he will be back - I'd probably hold until he is back and healthy. He will have a good game where you can sell after if you want out.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
saw the same, it was a noticeable limp on a few camera shots before the injury. either he tweaked something in this game early or more likely he is still not healthy.
dipandglide
Footballguy
He's a cheap buy if you can stomach the variance. I had 0 shares until a few weeks back. I've got a handful now on teams where I don't need him this year.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I was quite bullish on him coming out but I don't think I've liked a single thing I have seen from him in the NFL.
dipandglide
Footballguy
He did some nice things last year. The health stuff is wonky. Let's hope he can stack a few healthy seasons together.
renesauz
IBL Representative
No offense, but if guys like Burks and Moore are on your waiver wire, perhaps you should look for a deeper league?
beef
Footballguy
This league is very competitive, 12 teams, 20 man rosters. It's not loaded with FBGs so it's not a Shark Pool group think league.
renesauz
IBL Representative
20 man is fairly small. I prefer dynasty leagues that allow you to take shots on longshots, roster guys like BUrks for a couple of years. My smallest is 12 team 22 roster each
He hasn't practiced or been in meetings for three weeks Vrabel said- this was his first week back.
At this point, I'd expect him to try and just get some work in and get over whatever (completely reasonable) fear or skittishness he may have and get comfy. Maybe next week or the week after, he needs to show up as the season closes.
Besides camp and spots here n there, he's a total bust and needs to shed that label. He IS, on paper, exactly what they need for Levis.
He's wearing this device on his neck that increases blood flow to the brain. I have no knowledge or anything further just I expect a grace period w that too.
He's had two concussions, once each year, that have knocked him out cold. The last one hurt his neck pretty bad too.
At this point, I'd expect him to try and just get some work in and get over whatever (completely reasonable) fear or skittishness he may have and get comfy. Maybe next week or the week after, he needs to show up as the season closes.
Besides camp and spots here n there, he's a total bust and needs to shed that label. He IS, on paper, exactly what they need for Levis.
He's wearing this device on his neck that increases blood flow to the brain. I have no knowledge or anything further just I expect a grace period w that too.
He's had two concussions, once each year, that have knocked him out cold. The last one hurt his neck pretty bad too.
FantasyMC
Footballguy
I'm still holding as an end of bench stash in dynasty/keeper. !st round WR in 2nd year marred by injuries and bad QB play. Worth a shot to see how things look next year. Buzz coming in to this year was that the breakout was happening until Hopkins came along then his MCL sprain, Tannehill sucking and then the concussion.
zamboni
Footballguy
I think he’s just not all that good at football. Or perhaps like some other big athletic guys, not that committed to being good at football.
Blick
Footballguy
Between injuries (I know that's not a lot of games), he's shown flashes that he may "belong". I doubt there is anything to do with him right now. Can't cut him, can't trade him.
After week one Vrabel was questioned about Henry and then about Burks and said each time that they were definitely a big part of this offense moving forward.
Last night when he was asked, he sounds like a guy going to get fired for his friend's bad offense
He said he thought the play design to Burks was good on the screen and IIRC mostly blocked well. That they've been trying to calls plays for him.
He said similar about Chig and his improvement recently.
This is not an NFL offense then, it's a child's offense. You can not predetermine who will get the darn ball all the time. You could have these to get someone involved here n there or take advantage of a matchup but no way all the time. It's been so pathetic, so "look at me" like every bad OC's offense and that was the darn icing on the cake to hear him talk.
What's Levis learning with progressions? Would he be better or worse? It's so darn disturbing to hear him talk this play is designed for this guy. Ugh.
Sooo back to Treylon, he's clearly NOT a big part of their plans and plays not called for him. Almost "out of the horses mouth" expression. I don't wholly think it's him. Kelly has fallen in love with NWI too much and he loves Moore too much.
Moore averages one catch per game and is the worst starting WR for every stat listing except ypc. He wants a deep guy- fine- but unless he's named Mervyn or Desean then he better do other things.
NWI has had good moments and he's the only player I ever recall getting faster in the NFL. He's got the work ethic, the teamwork, the ST play, the blocking, he's a valuable FOURTH WR not a starter.
I don't have a prob with Moore or NWI filling in for an injured Burks but to be so clearly preferred is garbage.
So Burks blocks well then quits. Burks runs a fine route then quits. Like a high school kid the coach yells at to play til the end of the whistle. IDK if that's so much a problem as it's pretty typical in the NFL. I don't like it but a ton of WRs do that when they're not getting the ball.
Burks is a well built dude. He's got the arms and thighs. He does not have the thin bod of a typical rookie at all. In year two he got bigger and worked out w Henry and also of course Hopkins and had a great camp and just everything about him seemed so ready to succeed.
In college, he got carries and end arounds and people compared him to Deebo predraft and then no AJB instead and....I don't care, the point is he has the bod and the ability to run. If he's got an OC that loves gadget plays, then why wouldn't you use that guy? He's like custom made for that stuff.
The season was supposed to see the same stuff as other years- Chig and Phillips competing for snaps because of slot usage and two TE usage. Chig has lined out wide. Chig has been in motion and continued going laterally after the snap for a screen. Those are probably Burks' plays!
Arthur, Lafleur, and Downing would have probably tried Burks in Chig's role and flip flopped them in this (few plays) scenario and why not Kelly? They're practically the same size w similar speed and can't really block inline and...if you're mixing it up then why not do it all the way and flip flop?
Last night there were a lot of routes where Burks did fine and I'm yelling give it to him. Good cut, he's got a step or more, oof why not hit him with the pass? There are some he didn't win, he's definitely got improving to do, but there is still oh so clearly an athletic player that can be a tough matchup.
Phillips has been inactive a bunch. When he plays it's like 10-15 plays. Late in games he's gotten some work and maybe the first drive. Almost nothing in between.
I don't think Kelly likes either and the Titans weren't anywhere near good enough with them nevermind ignoring them.
I still think Burks is a player. I still think Phillips slot role limits him but he's one of the best route runners in the NFL. I would be surprised if either of them are Titans next year if Kelly is OC. If he's not, it's gonna be the same "this is their year" talk as this summer for those two. If Burks is elsewhere, I definitely think dust off those projections ya had and not- he's a bust. Ya gotta see him get open and not get the ball. That ain't on him.
I don't like his injury history. I do think two concussions where he lost consciousness and hurt his neck are surprising moreso than concerning. When he's playing, if ya can see him in the camera view, he's absolutely fine. I do lean towards bust like everyone but he's not failing, he's getting open and being ignored so that hits a little different.
Arthur llloves big WRs so naturally I'd guess he could end up there. If Kelly is OC, he's not going to have much trade value. A sixth rounder? I think a lot of teams would raise an eyebrow towards giving up that and we'll be stirring the pot and beating a drum for him next summer again
Last night when he was asked, he sounds like a guy going to get fired for his friend's bad offense
He said he thought the play design to Burks was good on the screen and IIRC mostly blocked well. That they've been trying to calls plays for him.
He said similar about Chig and his improvement recently.
This is not an NFL offense then, it's a child's offense. You can not predetermine who will get the darn ball all the time. You could have these to get someone involved here n there or take advantage of a matchup but no way all the time. It's been so pathetic, so "look at me" like every bad OC's offense and that was the darn icing on the cake to hear him talk.
What's Levis learning with progressions? Would he be better or worse? It's so darn disturbing to hear him talk this play is designed for this guy. Ugh.
Sooo back to Treylon, he's clearly NOT a big part of their plans and plays not called for him. Almost "out of the horses mouth" expression. I don't wholly think it's him. Kelly has fallen in love with NWI too much and he loves Moore too much.
Moore averages one catch per game and is the worst starting WR for every stat listing except ypc. He wants a deep guy- fine- but unless he's named Mervyn or Desean then he better do other things.
NWI has had good moments and he's the only player I ever recall getting faster in the NFL. He's got the work ethic, the teamwork, the ST play, the blocking, he's a valuable FOURTH WR not a starter.
I don't have a prob with Moore or NWI filling in for an injured Burks but to be so clearly preferred is garbage.
So Burks blocks well then quits. Burks runs a fine route then quits. Like a high school kid the coach yells at to play til the end of the whistle. IDK if that's so much a problem as it's pretty typical in the NFL. I don't like it but a ton of WRs do that when they're not getting the ball.
Burks is a well built dude. He's got the arms and thighs. He does not have the thin bod of a typical rookie at all. In year two he got bigger and worked out w Henry and also of course Hopkins and had a great camp and just everything about him seemed so ready to succeed.
In college, he got carries and end arounds and people compared him to Deebo predraft and then no AJB instead and....I don't care, the point is he has the bod and the ability to run. If he's got an OC that loves gadget plays, then why wouldn't you use that guy? He's like custom made for that stuff.
The season was supposed to see the same stuff as other years- Chig and Phillips competing for snaps because of slot usage and two TE usage. Chig has lined out wide. Chig has been in motion and continued going laterally after the snap for a screen. Those are probably Burks' plays!
Arthur, Lafleur, and Downing would have probably tried Burks in Chig's role and flip flopped them in this (few plays) scenario and why not Kelly? They're practically the same size w similar speed and can't really block inline and...if you're mixing it up then why not do it all the way and flip flop?
Last night there were a lot of routes where Burks did fine and I'm yelling give it to him. Good cut, he's got a step or more, oof why not hit him with the pass? There are some he didn't win, he's definitely got improving to do, but there is still oh so clearly an athletic player that can be a tough matchup.
Phillips has been inactive a bunch. When he plays it's like 10-15 plays. Late in games he's gotten some work and maybe the first drive. Almost nothing in between.
I don't think Kelly likes either and the Titans weren't anywhere near good enough with them nevermind ignoring them.
I still think Burks is a player. I still think Phillips slot role limits him but he's one of the best route runners in the NFL. I would be surprised if either of them are Titans next year if Kelly is OC. If he's not, it's gonna be the same "this is their year" talk as this summer for those two. If Burks is elsewhere, I definitely think dust off those projections ya had and not- he's a bust. Ya gotta see him get open and not get the ball. That ain't on him.
I don't like his injury history. I do think two concussions where he lost consciousness and hurt his neck are surprising moreso than concerning. When he's playing, if ya can see him in the camera view, he's absolutely fine. I do lean towards bust like everyone but he's not failing, he's getting open and being ignored so that hits a little different.
Arthur llloves big WRs so naturally I'd guess he could end up there. If Kelly is OC, he's not going to have much trade value. A sixth rounder? I think a lot of teams would raise an eyebrow towards giving up that and we'll be stirring the pot and beating a drum for him next summer again
