I like the “Dynasty & Redraft: WR Rondale Moore, Cardinals” format but an update from Purdue to Cardinals would also work.sure, what would you like?
Rondale and it’s not even close. Rondale was squatting 600 pounds as a 170 pound pound Freshman. He also put up 24 reps of 225 on the bench this spring. He is mini Saquon.Who would win a tug of war contest between Rodale Moore and Tu Tu Atwell?
Joking aside, Moore is one of those risky selections in fantasy that can make you look like a genius, or an idiot if you took him late 1st / early 2nd.
Why do you say that "I love 80's"?My only issue with him right now is the choice of 85 for his jersey.
Aside from the irony in your statement and board handle, I had a hunch as to why. I was wracking my brain to remember that very good WR named Moore from the 90's. I tried "WR Moore Jets" and "WR Moore Cardinals". Yeah, that didn't go so well. I eventually remembered Rob Moore, and found him to be #85 with the Cards. I assume that is your issue... I kind of like it. I really LIKE Rondale, too. I think he's going to be a very good player as a floor. It may take a bit, though considering the WR room in Arizona.Why do you say that "I love 80's"?
Thinking too much. It’s just not aesthetically pleasing IMO.Aside from the irony in your statement and board handle, I had a hunch as to why. I was wracking my brain to remember that very good WR named Moore from the 90's. I tried "WR Moore Jets" and "WR Moore Cardinals". Yeah, that didn't go so well. I eventually remembered Rob Moore, and found him to be #85 with the Cards. I assume that is your issue... I kind of like it. I really LIKE Rondale, too. I think he's going to be a very good player as a floor. It may take a bit, though considering the WR room in Arizona.
Ocho Cinco 2.0, IMO.Thinking too much. It’s just not aesthetically pleasing IMO.
Cardinals signed second-round WR Rondale Moore to a four-year contract.
Moore (5'7/181) set the nation ablaze as an 18-year-old freshmen at Purdue, hauling in 114 catches for 1,258 yards and 12 scores with 37 broken tackles to boot. Injuries limited him to only seven games the past two years, but he still left the Boilermakers with a career 8.9 catches per game and mild experience as a punt (6.9 average) and kick returner (18.5). While most NFL corners will tower over him, Moore, who recorded the highest SPARQ rating in the country during his recruitment process, will be stronger and more athletic than all — hence how 71% of his collegiate receiving yardage occurred after the catch. His career outlook still boils down to whether or not he's used correctly, as 78% of his receptions came within 10 yards of the line scrimmage. He'll likely open his rookie year as the Cardinals' No. 4 receiver behind DeAndre Hopkins, A.J. Green, and Christian Kirk, though Moore could push underwhelming Kirk for snaps and targets.
Jun 9, 2021, 3:33 PM ET
Cardinals coach Kliff Kingsbury plans to manufacture touches for second-round WR Rondale Moore
"He's very good in the open field, making the first guy miss," Kingsbury said of the No. 49 overall pick. "He has a knack at some of those plays, so, yeah, he's going to be a guy that's going to be fun to try to draw stuff up for, and see how many times we can get it to him." Kingsbury specifically mentioned jet sweeps. Manufactured touches are probably the best rookie bet for a 5-foot-7 wideout who was limited by injury to 73 touches over his final two years at Purdue. 71 percent of Moore's college yards came after the catch, with 78 percent of his receptions occurring within 10 yards of the line scrimmage.
SOURCE: azcardinals.com
Jun 10, 2021, 7:14 PM ET
The difference between those two is black and white.So basically what I get is Andy Isabella didn't work the first time, so why not draft him again?
The cards need a new coach yesterday.
I know you didn't mean it as a race thing, but it's hilarious when taken that way.The difference between those two is black and white.
A team rich in WR takes a Wr in the 2nd round.....that they will have to MANUFACTURE touches for? Doesn't make senseWhy?
A team rich in WR takes a Wr in the 2nd round.....that they will have to MANUFACTURE touches for? Doesn't make sense
Totally agree. Very lackluster group after Hopkins. I think Moore has a good chance to be involved early and often.Not sure I agree on the manufactured touch part. I think lots of offenses draw up plays to to get their players the ball. That’s just smart football to me.
As for being rich in WRs. Nuk and who else? Kirk has proven to be very pedestrian and is in the last year of his contract. Andy Isabella has been a dud. Not sure what they think they are getting out of AJ Green but I am very skeptical he has anything left. He’s been bad for a couple years now.
I would also add their RB group stinks. That offense is desperate for playmakers and Moore can do it through the air and on the ground. This guy gets the ball in the open field and he’s putting defenders on skates plus he’s got the long speed to outrun almost anyone in the league.Totally agree. Very lackluster group after Hopkins. I think Moore has a good chance to be involved early and often.
That is a reasonable conclusion to make that the coach wants a player like Wes Welker or Percy Harvin on the team. Reading his comments about Isabella he was hoping that Isabella would be that.So basically what I get is Andy Isabella didn't work the first time, so why not draft him again?
The cards need a new coach yesterday.
Yeah me, too. I'd have to dig to find it but I saw a blurb about Moore getting work from the slot in practice, which should come as no kind of surprise. But the main point it made was how big the slot role was for Fitzgerald in this offense and that Moore could really take on a lot of that role. With explosive-play upside.Totally agree. Very lackluster group after Hopkins. I think Moore has a good chance to be involved early and often.
Remember what the coach said about when they drafted Hakeem Butler?I'm mystified that they signed AJ Green, though. He just didn't have anything left at all last year. But *if* he can rebound it could be a pretty big block for even a modest rookie year breakout for Moore. I'm betting against AJ Green doing anything and that Moore should have plenty of opportunity even as a rookie.
That was a different regime. I agree the roles are different but I think there is room for one major playmaker after Nuk, whether it is from the outside with a Green/Butler type or from the slot (and elsewhere) with Moore. I don't think AJ Green gets on the field unless he is the playmaker he has been in the past. *If* that happens I think it limits Moore in terms of share, regardless of which position it comes from. But again I think Green is done so I am not too worried. I am assuming Kirk plays that role.Remember what the coach said about when they drafted Hakeem Butler?
I see these roles as separate from each other in the offense. There is no overlap.
Yeah I am not giving up on Kirk having a significant role for them in 2021.That was a different regime. I agree the roles are different but I think there is room for one major playmaker after Nuk, whether it is from the outside with a Green/Butler type or from the slot (and elsewhere) with Moore. I don't think AJ Green gets on the field unless he is the playmaker he has been in the past. *If* that happens I think it limits Moore in terms of share, regardless of which position it comes from. But again I think Green is done so I am not too worried. I am assuming Kirk plays that role.
Thought for sure Butler waa 2018 but you're right.Yeah I am not giving up on Kirk having a significant role for them in 2021.
My expectations of Kirks ceiling have gone down a bit from what they once were.
eta - Isabella and Butler were drafted by the Cardinals in 2019. That seems like a long time ago but really it wasn't and Kliff Klingsbury was the head coach of the Cardinals in 2019.
Maybe they have changed front office or scouting department but the same coach talking about the players here and how they fit his offense.
I checked if they changed GM or not but no its still Steve Keim
I think the perception seems longer as there was so much discussion about him perhaps.Thought for sure Butler waa 2018 but you're right.
It is but they clearly hadn't done their homework on Isabella, who was a deep threat and not so much an underneath guy. I liked Isabella's story, too, but they tried to force a round peg into a square hole there, so their pick of him is certainly up for criticism.Yes it is ok to try to get a type of player, miss and try again.
Here in Phoenix we have a hard time coming to grips with the fact that the Cardinals picked Isabella with Metcalf still availableIt is but they clearly hadn't done their homework on Isabella, who was a deep threat and not so much an underneath guy. I liked Isabella's story, too, but they tried to force a round peg into a square hole there, so their pick of him is certainly up for criticism.
And us Washington fans have an equally hard time with drafting Doctson over Michael ThomasHere in Phoenix we have a hard time coming to grips with the fact that the Cardinals picked Isabella with Metcalf still available
Sorry to hijack, but that 2016 Draft was a WR ####show. Lots of Teams passed on Tyreek Hill (5.28)...and imagine being a Browns fan who plays FF:And us Washington fans have an equally hard time with drafting Doctson over Michael Thomas
Very similar through Moore is a lot stronger and a significantly better athlete.Isn't he just Tavon Austin more or less?
To be fair a bunch of teams made the mistake of passing on Metcalf. Even at the time I have no idea why, he and AJ Brown seemed like easily the best WR in that class to me.Here in Phoenix we have a hard time coming to grips with the fact that the Cardinals picked Isabella with Metcalf still available
Yeah, whole lotta this. I remember reading reports that Kingsbury wanted to use him like Edelman. One reporter was like, "he's nothing like Edelman." Guy was on top of it from the beginning. Forget who it was, but he was prescient about it.Isabella might not be good, but man I have no idea why they seemed to want him to be Julian Edelman, when his skill set is much more Brandin Cooks. I'm chalking that up as 50% the player, and 50% poor coaching.
I am not a reporter but I could see that just from watching cut ups of him.rockaction said:Yeah, whole lotta this. I remember reading reports that Kingsbury wanted to use him like Edelman. One reporter was like, "he's nothing like Edelman." Guy was on top of it from the beginning. Forget who it was, but he was prescient about it.
Probably a short white WR? Hate to oversimplify it, but I am sure that was part of the equation.I am not a reporter but I could see that just from watching cut ups of him.
No idea what the Cardinals scouting department was seeing.
https://twitter.com/32beatwriters/status/1404611998810349569?s=21NFL Beat Writers @32BeatWriters
“Second-round wide receiver Rondale Moore is going to be given every opportunity to have a role in the offense as a piece Kliff Kingsbury has been seeking since he showed up in Arizona.”
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#AZCardinals rookie WR Rondale Moore is having a great camp so far. @PFF_Anthony says he is one of 10 players drafted after the first round who could make a surprising impact in year one. #RedSea