Where does Engram rank if he was a WR?Top 30 TE prospects since 2006, by my formula:
Name Draft Class School
Vernon Davis 2006 Maryland
Evan Engram 2017 Mississippi
Ladarius Green 2012 La Lafayette
Coby Fleener 2012 Stanford
Dustin Keller 2008 Purdue
Rob Gronkowski 2010 Arizona
Jermaine Gresham 2010 Oklahoma
George Kittle 2017 Iowa
Jace Amaro 2014 Texas Tech
MyCole Pruitt 2015 Southern Illinois
Rob Housler 2011 Florida Atlantic
Bucky Hodges 2017 Virginia Tech
David Njoku 2017 Miami FL
Tyler Higbee 2016 Western Kentucky
Adrien Robinson 2012 Cincinnati
Jonnu Smith 2017 Florida Int
Dennis Pitta 2010 BYU
Michael Egnew 2012 Missouri
Gerald Everett 2017 South Alabama
Jared Cook 2009 South Carolina
Thomas Duarte 2016 UCLA
Ben Braunecker 2016 Harvard
Tony Scheffler 2006 Western Michigan
Pharaoh Brown 2017 Oregon
Luke Willson 2013 Rice
Eric Ebron 2014 North Carolina
O.J. Howard 2017 Alabama
Lance Kendricks 2011 Wisconsin
Travis Kelce 2013 Cincinnati
Clive Walford 2015 Miami Fl
Ignoring this year's class, your formula had Gronk at #5, but Kelce at #21 and Graham, Reed, Bennett, Olsen, Walker not listed. How do you feel about your formula's results?Top 30 TE prospects since 2006, by my formula:
Name Draft Class School
Vernon Davis 2006 Maryland
Evan Engram 2017 Mississippi
Ladarius Green 2012 La Lafayette
Coby Fleener 2012 Stanford
Dustin Keller 2008 Purdue
Rob Gronkowski 2010 Arizona
Jermaine Gresham 2010 Oklahoma
George Kittle 2017 Iowa
Jace Amaro 2014 Texas Tech
MyCole Pruitt 2015 Southern Illinois
Rob Housler 2011 Florida Atlantic
Bucky Hodges 2017 Virginia Tech
David Njoku 2017 Miami FL
Tyler Higbee 2016 Western Kentucky
Adrien Robinson 2012 Cincinnati
Jonnu Smith 2017 Florida Int
Dennis Pitta 2010 BYU
Michael Egnew 2012 Missouri
Gerald Everett 2017 South Alabama
Jared Cook 2009 South Carolina
Thomas Duarte 2016 UCLA
Ben Braunecker 2016 Harvard
Tony Scheffler 2006 Western Michigan
Pharaoh Brown 2017 Oregon
Luke Willson 2013 Rice
Eric Ebron 2014 North Carolina
O.J. Howard 2017 Alabama
Lance Kendricks 2011 Wisconsin
Travis Kelce 2013 Cincinnati
Clive Walford 2015 Miami Fl
What number is Jimmy Graham? Just curious.
Ignoring this year's class, Walker is 23rd, Olsen 30th, and Graham 32nd. That seems pretty good on Walker (who was a 6th rounder) and Graham (who had 17 total receptions in college), though not so much on Olsen who was a pedigreed top TE prospect. Bennett and Reed both rated below average - they are misses for my formula. The TE formula is less accurate than the RB or WR formula, as I've mentioned elsewhere, but I do think that it adds some info.Ignoring this year's class, your formula had Gronk at #5, but Kelce at #21 and Graham, Reed, Bennett, Olsen, Walker not listed. How do you feel about your formula's results?
I included him in my WR update - he's WR19, between KD Cannon and Cooper Kupp. That makes him a decent prospect as a WR, which is impressive for a TE, though not nearly as impressive as Vernon Davis who rated as the top WR prospect of his draft class (with a pretty solid gap on Brandon Marshall).Where does Engram rank if he was a WR?
Post-combine pass rusher update:For my pass rusher spreadsheet, I've added size & speed estimates from nfldraftscout for the top set of players. Including those numbers along with production (sacks & tackles for a loss, this season and last season), my formula gives a top 5 of:
Myles Garrett Texas A&M JR
Takkarist McKinley UCLA SR
Derek Barnett Tennessee JR
Harold Landry BC JR
DeMarcus Walker FSU SR
After those 5, there is a big group of 10 guys all tightly packed together (Hunter Dimick, Jordan Willis, Duke Ejiofor, Haason Reddick, Charles Harris, Jonathan Allen, Bradley Chubb, Ejuan Price, Tim Williams, Taco Charlton).
That's a flag for Deshaun Watson, and a slight concern for Kaaya & Peterman (as I've posted about in previous years). For comparison:Ball velocity (MPH) from NFL Combine
60 - Mahomes
59 - Webb
56 - Kizer
55 - Trubisky, Evans
53 - Peterman, Kaaya
49 - Watson
He was actually killing it at TCU!I'm trying to wrap my head around how Andy Dalton had the same ball velocity as Cam Newton.
And was way better than Glennon. Numbers don't add up and I don't give it much weight.I'm trying to wrap my head around how Andy Dalton had the same ball velocity as Cam Newton.
No Stafford on here? He came out the same year as Sanchez didn't he? Just curious, if weeden throws 59 I guess Stafford would be 72?From Jared Tokarz @NFLDraftInsider
That's a flag for Deshaun Watson, and a slight concern for Kaaya & Peterman (as I've posted about in previous years). For comparison:
Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State 59
Colin Kaepernick, Nevada 59
Paxton Lynch, Memphis 59
Jared Goff, California 58
Ryan Mallett, Arkansas 58
Mark Sanchez, Southern Cal 57
Josh Freeman, Kansas State 57
Nick Foles, Arizona 57
Sean Mannion, Oregon State 57
Carson Wentz, North Dakota State 57
Andy Dalton, TCU 56
Cam Newton, Auburn 56
Blake Bortles, Central Florida 56
Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois 56
Colt McCoy, Texas (private workout) 56
Christian Hackenberg, Penn State 56
Marcus Mariota, Oregon 56
Jacoby Brissett, North Carolina State 56
Jameis Winston, Florida State 55
Joe Flacco, Delaware 55
Geno Smith, West Virginia 55
Kevin O’Connell, San Diego St 55
Russell Wilson, Wisconsin 55
Cody Kessler, Southern Cal 55
EJ Manuel, Florida State 54
Dak Prescott, Mississippi State 54
Jake Locker, Washington 54
Brian Brohm, Louisville 53
Chad Henne, Michigan 53
Pat White, West Virginia 52
Christian Ponder, Florida St 51
Connor Cook, Michigan State 50
Michael Glennon, North Carolina State 49
Stafford (and several other current starters such as Luck, Ryan, Tannehill, and Bradford) didn't throw at the combine.No Stafford on here? He came out the same year as Sanchez didn't he? Just curious, if weeden throws 59 I guess Stafford would be 72?
Seems like it's gotta be the former, otherwise the results just don't make sense. Colt McCoy with better ball velocity than Joe Flacco?So this may be a dumb question, but is ball velocity at the combine just being measured on their throws while doing all these drills? Or do they literally have an, "ok, now step up and let er rip because we're measuring ball velocity on this" drill? If not the latter, it seems there's a chance a QB is just being conservative when throwing during the drills, no?
Post-combine WR update:
Taywan Taylor Western Ky
Amba Etta-Tawo Syracuse
Corey Davis W Mich
Josh Malone Tennessee
JuJu Smith-Schuster USC
Curtis Samuel Ohio State
Carlos Henderson La Tech
Dede Westbrook Oklahoma
Jalen Robinette Air Force
ArDarius Stewart Alabama
Chad Hansen California
Shelton Gibson WVU
John Ross Washington
Kenny Golladay N Illinois
Josh Reynolds Texas A&M
Keevan Lucas Tulsa
Tanner Gentry Wyoming
KD Cannon Baylor
Evan Engram Miss
Cooper Kupp EWU
Chris Godwin Penn State
DeAngelo Yancey Purdue
Austin Carr N'western
Mike Williams Clemson
Nicholas Norris Western Ky
Zay Jones ECU
The top 9 WRs are basically getting a thumbs up from my formula. Moving up: Amba Etta-Tawo, Josh Malone, Curtis Samuel, Carlos Henderson, John Ross, Kenny Golladay, and Evan Engram. Moving down: Shelton Gibson and Cooper Kupp.
Akron's Jerome Lane is the next guy after Zay Jones. His production is above average but below the threshold that I usually look for; solid YPT (10.4) but not many TDs. (I just added Lane's birthdate which helps him a little; the gap was wider before I credited him for being a year younger than the average prospect.)How about Jerome Lane and Robert Davis?Post-combine WR update:
Taywan Taylor Western Ky
Amba Etta-Tawo Syracuse
Corey Davis W Mich
Josh Malone Tennessee
JuJu Smith-Schuster USC
Curtis Samuel Ohio State
Carlos Henderson La Tech
Dede Westbrook Oklahoma
Jalen Robinette Air Force
ArDarius Stewart Alabama
Chad Hansen California
Shelton Gibson WVU
John Ross Washington
Kenny Golladay N Illinois
Josh Reynolds Texas A&M
Keevan Lucas Tulsa
Tanner Gentry Wyoming
KD Cannon Baylor
Evan Engram Miss
Cooper Kupp EWU
Chris Godwin Penn State
DeAngelo Yancey Purdue
Austin Carr N'western
Mike Williams Clemson
Nicholas Norris Western Ky
Zay Jones ECU
The top 9 WRs are basically getting a thumbs up from my formula. Moving up: Amba Etta-Tawo, Josh Malone, Curtis Samuel, Carlos Henderson, John Ross, Kenny Golladay, and Evan Engram. Moving down: Shelton Gibson and Cooper Kupp.
Yes. Fournette was my top rated RB a year ago. The combine would've brought his numbers down, but he still would've been close to Ezekiel Elliott (probably slightly ahead of Elliott, but I don't have an easy way to get the exact number).I'm curious if you ignore this year with Fournette and just look at his 2015, would his numbers be closer to elite?
Don't be.Good stuff. The part that doesn't fit is that those 3 guys you mentioned that were less than 30" also ran over a 4.6 in the 40. Fournette was much faster than them. Those things seem to be at odds. I am torn on Fournette.
Why,didnt he run the 40, at combine?? Did he do the 3 cone drill at,pro day?How does D'Onta Foreman look now after his Pro Day?
Had a foot issue that the doctors wouldn't allow him to run with. He wanted to run but they overrode him.Why,didnt he run the 40, at combine?? Did he do the 3 cone drill at,pro day?
He moves up a full tier and slots in just ahead of McNichols (behind Perine & Kamara). That is counting him as 4.47 40, 33" vert, 10'0" broad, 6'0.125" height, and 234 lbs.How does D'Onta Foreman look now after his Pro Day?
Cool, found someone else that really likes Josh Malone. Why do you think most sites have him in the WR25-35 range?Post-combine WR update:
Taywan Taylor Western Ky
Amba Etta-Tawo Syracuse
Corey Davis W Mich
Josh Malone Tennessee
JuJu Smith-Schuster USC
Curtis Samuel Ohio State
Carlos Henderson La Tech
Dede Westbrook Oklahoma
Jalen Robinette Air Force
ArDarius Stewart Alabama
Chad Hansen California
Shelton Gibson WVU
John Ross Washington
Kenny Golladay N Illinois
Josh Reynolds Texas A&M
Keevan Lucas Tulsa
Tanner Gentry Wyoming
KD Cannon Baylor
Evan Engram Miss
Cooper Kupp EWU
Chris Godwin Penn State
DeAngelo Yancey Purdue
Austin Carr N'western
Mike Williams Clemson
Nicholas Norris Western Ky
Zay Jones ECU
The top 9 WRs are basically getting a thumbs up from my formula. Moving up: Amba Etta-Tawo, Josh Malone, Curtis Samuel, Carlos Henderson, John Ross, Kenny Golladay, and Evan Engram. Moving down: Shelton Gibson and Cooper Kupp.
I mainly like him because of his 13.0 yards per target, plus the fact that the rest of his stats were pretty good (especially once you adjust for the fact that Tennessee didn't throw the ball much (87th out of 128 in pass att). And of course his 6'2.8" size & 4.40 speed help.Cool, found someone else that really likes Josh Malone. Why do you think most sites have him in the WR25-35 range?
Malcom Floyd is a really good comp. As for looking at the write-ups, it's tough to find many. Most of the big name sites don't have anything to say on him. He is way under the radar.I mainly like him because of his 13.0 yards per target, plus the fact that the rest of his stats were pretty good (especially once you adjust for the fact that Tennessee didn't throw the ball much (87th out of 128 in pass att). And of course his 6'2.8" size & 4.40 speed help.
I don't really know why other sites don't like him; their writeups will tell you more about that than I could. PFF just did their writeup on him; the main negative looks to be that he is not a sudden athlete, needs space to get up to speed & gain separation, struggles with press coverage. Might be a Malcom Floyd type deep threat?
Godwin's production was decent but unremarkable; he didn't make any of the receiving leaderboards which I posted here. And my formula takes production as the starting point, in a way that makes it impossible to make up for that with other traits like size & athleticism.What's the story on Chris Godwin's ranking? He seems to be an elite athlete, reasonably productive, and young. He's also getting late-first, early-second round NFL draft buzz
A+ name too
What role do these rankings play in your draft lists?Godwin's production was decent but unremarkable; he didn't make any of the receiving leaderboards which I posted here. And my formula takes production as the starting point, in a way that makes it impossible to make up for that with other traits like size & athleticism.
He did do a very good job of consistently getting open, according to Matt Harmon's Reception Perception numbers, so I suspect that my formula is underrating him. If I had to draft today, I'd probably have him as a mid 2nd rounder (near the bottom of my list of top 10 WRs).
My typical process after the NFL draft is to start with my generic rookie rankings, which are based only on NFL draft pick and can be tailored to a particular league's scoring system. Then I tinker with things ad hoc based on various factors. The main ones are my ratings, other ratings & analyses which are based heavily on stats or at least counting (like PFF's rankings, Football Outsiders' projections, and Harmon's Reception Perception), the general opinion among draftniks & other fantasy players, specific reasons why a player's fantasy value wouldn't match his NFL value (e.g., fantasy owners should care more about upside & less about risk and off-the-field issues than NFL owners, blocking matters for NFL TEs more than fantasy TEs), and more subjective things (like which RBs looked good to me when I watched them, or what my sense is of why a player did worse in his last season than his previous season).What role do these rankings play in your draft lists?
Matt Harmon has published Reception Perception stats on several more WRs, and I have added a stretch of schedule adjustment (based on average opponent DSRS in the games that Harmon charted). Here is what I have so far for adjusted success rate:Matt Harmon has started posting articles at The Fantasy Footballers with his Reception Perception analyses of this year's draft class. My favorite one of his metrics is success rate, which is just how often the receiver succeeded at getting open - on what fraction of his routes did he get open, broken down by route type (out, nine, comeback, etc.) or by coverage (zone, man, press). I have combined these breakdowns into a single adjusted success rate number.
So far he has posted articles on 7 WRs. Carlos Henderson's numbers are excellent, Chris Godwin's are good, Corey Davis, Mike Williams, and John Ross are solid, and JuJu Smith-Schuster & Cooper Kupp are below average.
Here are how they stack up to last year's draft class:
84.5% Carlos Henderson
81.4% Sterling Shepard
79.5% Josh Doctson
77.3% Rashard Higgins
77.1% Chris Godwin
75.6% Corey Coleman
74.3% Laquon Treadwell
74.2% Michael Thomas
74.0% Corey Davis
73.9% Mike Williams
73.5% Malcolm Mitchell
73.5% John Ross
72.9% Mike Thomas
69.9% Leonte Carroo
69.6% Kenny Lawler
(69.2% 2016 average)
69.1% Keyarris Garrett
67.4% Will Fuller
67.2% JuJu Smith-Schuster
67.0% Braxton Miller
67.0% Demarcus Robinson
65.4% Cooper Kupp
65.4% Tajae Sharpe
62.6% Pharoh Cooper
62.3% De'Runnya Wilson
62.0% Roger Lewis
61.1% Charone Peake
59.7% Aaron Burbidge
58.7% Tyler Boyd
This basically means that Corey Davis got open on 74% of the routes that he ran, after adjusting for the type of coverage (it's easier to get open against zone than against press coverage) and the type of route (it's easier to get open on a flat route than a nine), but not for opponent (even though it's easier to get open against Kent State than against Wisconsin).
Those are some huge swings.ZWK said:It's interesting how dramatically their opinion-based rankings can differ from their grades. They graded ArDarius Stewart as the 64th overall WR in college football, based on his grades for each play, but they have him ranked as the #9 WR prospect. At the other extreme, Austin Carr was the highest graded WR in college football this year, but is ranked as the 49th best WR prospect.
He's by far the most underrated RB in this class and will certainly be a still for any Dynasty Owner that has been paying attention. He's Kenneth Dixon Lite (don't like to compare college to NFL but if I did) He's 40 was a tad slow but his other numbers were great and the guy can flat out play. You won't see him on many rankings but it's because most rankings are about popularity contests, following the heard type rankings. Take a look at his numbers and career for yourself and grab him when you can.Opinions on Aaron Jones, RB UTEP?
I'm very interested in where he'll be drafted. Surely if I had my draft today I could get him in the 6th or 7th round. He's on zero radars right now but that could all change come draft day.Thanks, yeah i was looking at some highlights and this kid jumps off the screen, looks legit.
Aaron Jones is one of a pretty long list of RB that the Vikings have met with.I'm very interested in where he'll be drafted.
Tex
Yes. He had below average production (compared to the 100 players with the most receiving yards this year), and that is a dealbreaker in my formula (overall player ratings drop off sharply once a receiver's production rating gets below +4.0). I haven't updated his speed/athleticism numbers yet, but it won't matter much when I do.Ilov80s said:@ZWK was Zamora's production just so low that your formula has him written off? His pro day was spectacular
https://twitter.com/tampabaytre/status/849667308448604160
He makes the "Guys who have a decent chance" tier by my formula, coming in as the #9 RB prospect in the draft class (near guys like McNichols, Hunt, and Mack), which I think is in the right ballpark. The Texas game is the only game video of his from this season that I've found (along with 2 from earlier years and some highlights); he showed some quickness against Texas when there was a big hole but on the whole I was not that impressed. But he did rank 4th in the country in yards after contact per carry, according to PFF, which is a good sign. I would definitely put him behind Perine & Hunt, but I think he's in the next bunch of RBs after that.Opinions on Aaron Jones, RB UTEP?
He tore ligaments in one of his ankles in 2015, if he is drafted by the Vikes that would cause many to take a closer look at him. I currently have him at the end of Tier 2 and with some coaching and experience he has the potential to be good. Not a stud or elite but good.Aaron Jones is one of a pretty long list of RB that the Vikings have met with.
I watched these 3 games at full speed just now. He does have one really big run against the Longhorns who otherwise had been bottling him up for most of that game. He has some explosive acceleration when he gets a crease. There were a couple others runs like this I saw from him that didn't lead to as long a gain, but where if he can find that crease, he has another gear that can kick in and cause him to cover a lot of space. Once he gets going like this, he can be hard for college defenders to get a good tackle on him. It is very sudden.
I have not seen a lot of elusiveness or change or direction from him in these games. I question what he is seeing sometimes too, but for the most part I think the Longhorns and Arkansas defenses are winning the line of scrimmage. The seem to have an advantage over the blocking. A lot of plays, there just isn't much there to work with.
His college stats seem fine, he showed improvement in his last season, Only 2 games played in 2015. What kind of injury or other reason did he miss most of that season?
He played well in 2014 and then still improving in 2016, so whatever the injury (if that is what it was) he seems to have recovered from it fine.
He had very good combine numbers besides his 40 time. His jump numbers were second only to Kamara out of the 2017 RB and his 3 cone time was above average, which suggests there may be more elusiveness to his game than I have seen in brief viewing. The jump numbers make sense in the context of how you can see him accelerate very quickly at times when he has some space ahead of him to do so.
He has a nice stiff arm to help him extend plays one on one. He doesn't jolt defenders with this, but he keeps them from being able to get to him while he gains more yards.
Interesting player who might be drafted higher than some are currently talking about.
eta - two too many times I saw him try to just lay down in front of a DE and hope the guy gets slowed down. That will not cut it in the NFL.
That's interesting I have him sitting at 7 but I consider 6-9 to be very similar in certain aspects but a lot of emphasis on "when" they are drafted which weighs a lot in my book.He makes the "Guys who have a decent chance" tier by my formula, coming in as the #9 RB prospect in the draft class (near guys like McNichols, Hunt, and Mack), which I think is in the right ballpark. The Texas game is the only game video of his from this season that I've found (along with 2 from earlier years and some highlights); he showed some quickness against Texas when there was a big hole but on the whole I was not that impressed. But he did rank 4th in the country in yards after contact per carry, according to PFF, which is a good sign. I would definitely put him behind Perine & Hunt, but I think he's in the next bunch of RBs after that.
Interesting and thanks for sharing. I've tried to get on the Jalen bandwagon but watching him play he does nothing to get excited about. Watching him play and scrimmage against NFL corners is what I'm waiting to watch before I peg him.ZWK said:Here is how Football Outsiders ranks this year's WR class, using their Playmaker Score rating which is based on college stats, combine performance, and whether they're entering the draft early (with the exact stats and weightings selected by running a regression on historical data). (These rankings do not take into account a player's expected draft position, although FO also gives a "Playmaker Projection" which does take that into account.) Here are their top 23 WRs in this draft class, along with (for context) their top WRs from the previous 3 draft classes.
2016 Corey Coleman Baylor
2017 Jalen Robinette Air Force
2017 Curtis Samuel Ohio State
2017 Carlos Henderson Louisiana Tech
2017 John Ross Washington
2014 Brandin Cooks Oregon St.
2015 Amari Cooper Alabama
2016 Will Fuller Notre Dame
2017 Dede Westbrook Oklahoma
2014 Odell Beckham Jr. LSU
2014 Marqise Lee USC
2017 Corey Davis Western Michigan
2015 Sammie Coates Auburn
2016 Tyler Boyd Pittsburgh
2015 Stefon Diggs Maryland
2016 Pharoh Cooper South Carolina
2016 Rashard Higgins Colorado State
2014 Davante Adams Fresno St.
2015 Nelson Agholor Southern California
2014 Allen Robinson Penn St.
2014 Paul Richardson Colorado
2014 Kelvin Benjamin Florida St.
2015 Breshad Perriman UCF
2017 Chris Godwin Penn State
2014 Mike Evans Texas A&M
2014 Austin Franklin New Mexico St.
2015 DeAndre Smelter Georgia Tech
2017 K.D. Cannon Baylor
2015 Titus Davis Central Mich.
2017 Isaiah Ford Virginia Tech
2014 Martavis Bryant Clemson
2016 Roger Lewis Bowling Green
2017 Josh Reynolds Texas A&M
2014 Sammy Watkins Clemson
2014 Willie Snead Ball St.
2014 Bruce Ellington South Carolina
2017 Shelton Gibson West Virginia
2014 Jarvis Landry LSU
2015 Jaelen Strong Arizona St.
2015 Tyler Lockett Kansas St.
2014 Donte Moncrief Ole Miss
2017 Malachi Dupre LSU
2016 Michael Thomas Ohio State
2017 JuJu Smith-Schuster Southern California
2016 Demarcus Ayers Houston
2017 Taywan Taylor W. Kentucky
2017 Josh Malone Tennessee
2017 Jerome Lane Akron
2016 Bralon Addison Oregon
2017 Isaiah McKenzie Georgia
2014 Cody Latimer Indiana
2016 Leonte Carroo Rutgers
2015 Devin Smith Ohio St.
2017 ArDarius Stewart Alabama
2014 Brandon Coleman Rutgers
2014 Josh Huff Oregon
2017 Kenny Golladay Northern Illinois
2015 Devin Funchess Michigan
2016 Sterling Shepard Oklahoma
2017 Mike Williams Clemson
2016 Josh Doctson TCU
2015 Darren Waller Georgia Tech
2016 Laquon Treadwell Mississippi
2017 Chad Hansen California
2015 Dorial Green-Beckham Missouri
2015 Tony Lippett Michigan St.
2014 Damian Copeland Louisville
2014 Jordan Matthews Vanderbilt
2014 Jeremy Gallon Michigan
2017 Travis Rudolph Florida State
2015 Antwan Goodley Baylor
2016 Demarcus Robinson Florida
2017 Keevan Lucas Tulsa
2015 Phillip Dorsett Miami (FL)
2016 Jalin Marshall Ohio State
There are a lot of similarities between their ratings for this class and mine. Both systems see this as a deep draft class and are on board with Corey Davis in the first round. Both are down on Mike Williams and way down on Zay Jones & Amara Darboh. Both are high on Carlos Henderson, Jalin Robinette, Curtis Samuel, and Dede Westbrook. FO is higher than I am on John Ross, Chris Godwin, KD Cannon, Isaiah Ford, and Malachi Dupre. I am higher on Amba Etta-Tawo, Taywan Taylor, Josh Malone, and JuJu Smith-Schuster.