I wouldn't be against that, makes a lot of sense I think.Kind of intrigued by the idea of bringing in McDermott and keeping Shurmur. McDermott brings in a coordinator like Rapone (ARI) as DC to help with the transition. Shurmur handles the O and keeps continuity.
Of course it won't necessarily be these guys, but in terms of matches McDermott and Shurmur have deep Philly roots.
There was an article a week ago mentioning two 1st's so the price is dropping quick.....hopefully they just cut him loose.http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/01/03/report-eagles-to-pursue-sean-payton-if-hes-available/
Not crazy about Payton as a candidate though I wouldn't hate it, but absolutely wouldn't give the Saints any draft choice compensation for him.
I don't get this, the same as Kelly's #Culture > Talent BS, but then I'm not a local. Does it really matter to you guys?Of course it won't necessarily be these guys, but in terms of matches McDermott and Shurmur have deep Philly roots.
Doesn't matter one bit to me. Owner Jeff Lurie said in the latest presser it matters to him. And he's hiring.I don't get this, the same as Kelly's #Culture > Talent BS, but then I'm not a local. Does it really matter to you guys?Of course it won't necessarily be these guys, but in terms of matches McDermott and Shurmur have deep Philly roots.
I believe it's much easier for an Offense centric team and therefore HC to succeed but of the DCs available McDermott might be the pick. The solution to anything though, doesn't begin with the words "Because Pat Shurmur..."
He's a solid coach and I like what he did with the Offense today, but let's not go crazy. Bradford can be franchised if the new HC wants it that way.
For instance, Lurie has always taken considerable pride in the team's holiday party, going to great expense to throw the large gathering, with it becoming something of a prized tradition with him. According to numerous sources with knowledge of the situation, Kelly basically refused to attend it this year on its normal Monday night, and ultimately Lurie had to move it to a Friday afternoon onsite to facilitate Kelly's schedule. Kelly argued Monday night would disrupt the coach's planning for the week -- a fair enough claim -- but Lurie apologized to the organization for the haphazard way the party was conducted this year and told others it would not happen in that fashion ever again.
In and of itself, it's not a big deal, but given the timing, with the team falling out of the playoffs around Christmas and with the atmosphere in the organization growing more toxic, it exemplified the growing divide between the way Kelly operated and what Lurie wanted his organization to be. "That's just part of a long list of reasons why Jeffrey made this move," said one source close to the situation, "but the whole thing with the Christmas party just epitomizes the split from what Jeffrey wants the Eagles to be, and what he felt like they were becoming."
Was thinking Stanley before Chip was gone because of his athleticism buy now I'd be happy with any of them.Tunsil, Stanley, and Conklin seem to be the top 3 OT as of now in mocks (in that order). Don't seem to be any other even going top 20. Would love to go OL here. A few mocks have Conklin coming to us as the 3rd OT off the board.
Yep, was posted a couple pages back.Did I miss this article being posted in here? http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25435367/chip-kellys-people-skills-a-large-part-of-his-undoing-in-philadelphia
For instance, Lurie has always taken considerable pride in the team's holiday party, going to great expense to throw the large gathering, with it becoming something of a prized tradition with him. According to numerous sources with knowledge of the situation, Kelly basically refused to attend it this year on its normal Monday night, and ultimately Lurie had to move it to a Friday afternoon onsite to facilitate Kelly's schedule. Kelly argued Monday night would disrupt the coach's planning for the week -- a fair enough claim -- but Lurie apologized to the organization for the haphazard way the party was conducted this year and told others it would not happen in that fashion ever again.
In and of itself, it's not a big deal, but given the timing, with the team falling out of the playoffs around Christmas and with the atmosphere in the organization growing more toxic, it exemplified the growing divide between the way Kelly operated and what Lurie wanted his organization to be. "That's just part of a long list of reasons why Jeffrey made this move," said one source close to the situation, "but the whole thing with the Christmas party just epitomizes the split from what Jeffrey wants the Eagles to be, and what he felt like they were becoming."
Saw Tunsil go #1 a couple times so he's probably out of the question. Hope Stanley slips or else maybe go Conklin or even trade back for Conklin.... all depending on how the next few months shake out and how they look at the combine.Was thinking Stanley before Chip was gone because of his athleticism buy now I'd be happy with any of them.Tunsil, Stanley, and Conklin seem to be the top 3 OT as of now in mocks (in that order). Don't seem to be any other even going top 20. Would love to go OL here. A few mocks have Conklin coming to us as the 3rd OT off the board.
8 of the Top 10 Offenses (by Points/game) made the playoffs too, but I don't hate that scenario. I just think they might be able to do better. That said, I've been pretty bad trying to figure out which NFL assistants will make good HCs, so I'm not going to really argue for anyone in particular.Doesn't matter one bit to me. Owner Jeff Lurie said in the latest presser it matters to him. And he's hiring.I don't get this, the same as Kelly's #Culture > Talent BS, but then I'm not a local. Does it really matter to you guys?Of course it won't necessarily be these guys, but in terms of matches McDermott and Shurmur have deep Philly roots.
I believe it's much easier for an Offense centric team and therefore HC to succeed but of the DCs available McDermott might be the pick. The solution to anything though, doesn't begin with the words "Because Pat Shurmur..."
He's a solid coach and I like what he did with the Offense today, but let's not go crazy. Bradford can be franchised if the new HC wants it that way.
ETA of the top 10 defenses, 8 made the playoffs. I prefer to build that way. In this scenario, I would want to keep Shurmur as the OC bc of his rapport with Sam and the fact he and McDermott worked together under Reid.
That article and the 'Chip threatened to bench Jordan Matthews for spinning the ball after scoring' articles made me LOL today.Yep, was posted a couple pages back.Did I miss this article being posted in here? http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25435367/chip-kellys-people-skills-a-large-part-of-his-undoing-in-philadelphia
For instance, Lurie has always taken considerable pride in the team's holiday party, going to great expense to throw the large gathering, with it becoming something of a prized tradition with him. According to numerous sources with knowledge of the situation, Kelly basically refused to attend it this year on its normal Monday night, and ultimately Lurie had to move it to a Friday afternoon onsite to facilitate Kelly's schedule. Kelly argued Monday night would disrupt the coach's planning for the week -- a fair enough claim -- but Lurie apologized to the organization for the haphazard way the party was conducted this year and told others it would not happen in that fashion ever again.
In and of itself, it's not a big deal, but given the timing, with the team falling out of the playoffs around Christmas and with the atmosphere in the organization growing more toxic, it exemplified the growing divide between the way Kelly operated and what Lurie wanted his organization to be. "That's just part of a long list of reasons why Jeffrey made this move," said one source close to the situation, "but the whole thing with the Christmas party just epitomizes the split from what Jeffrey wants the Eagles to be, and what he felt like they were becoming."
I think Johnny Football might save us from that.....what a moron.Bold Prediction:
Chip goes to Tennessee.... trades #1 pick to Dallas who selects Goff.... Screws Philly for years.
Yeah, Howie's definitely been busy.That article and the 'Chip threatened to bench Jordan Matthews for spinning the ball after scoring' articles made me LOL today.
Ya that's crazy. Just saw the story:I think Johnny Football might save us from that.....what a moron.Bold Prediction:
Chip goes to Tennessee.... trades #1 pick to Dallas who selects Goff.... Screws Philly for years.
Surely even they wouldn't have him though? Even Jerruh must be able to see he can't play QB in the NFL and he's a massive tool.Ya that's crazy. Just saw the story:I think Johnny Football might save us from that.....what a moron.Bold Prediction:
Chip goes to Tennessee.... trades #1 pick to Dallas who selects Goff.... Screws Philly for years.
"The Browns are "so done" with Manziel, and he "wants to go to Dallas.""
True. Rocky Seto would be amazing then. He'd be my top choice for DC if we have a shot at him. But might not be able to chat with him for quite some time.I'm on board with a switch to a 4-3 defensive coordinator. Someone from the Seahawks that can maximize Maxwell and has picked up on their philosophy would be promising...
Me too. Would love to see what #91 could do as a 1-gap DT if he's moved around a bit and allowed to penetrate.I'm on board with a switch to a 4-3 defensive coordinator. Someone from the Seahawks that can maximize Maxwell and has picked up on their philosophy would be promising...
damn.. Something to be said though for knowing your skills and role, and just doing it well. Not everyone is a HC.True. Rocky Seto would be amazing then. He'd be my top choice for DC if we have a shot at him. But might not be able to chat with him for quite some time.I'm on board with a switch to a 4-3 defensive coordinator. Someone from the Seahawks that can maximize Maxwell and has picked up on their philosophy would be promising...
EDT: Just read he's been with Pete for 15 years and turned down other offers. Doubt he leaves.
Shurmur got a long run from Demarco. That seems to be a thingReally, none of the coaches mentioned has a resume like Chip did when he was hired(or now). Chip grinded from low levels, won and broke records everywhere he went. The odds of me being disgusted by Lurie hiring some NFL retread that the media signed off on is great. I really hope Lurie, and whatever committee he has, does their hw. None of this bs where the coach and GM can't even have an office near each other after a year or so again.Tough to get excited for that unless you are really hitching your wagon to Bradford for the next 5+ years. Never been wowed by Shurmur...did he really do much while here as it was essentially all Chip's O? Before that STL? Meh.
Can you imagine a DC named ROCKY in Philly though????damn.. Something to be said though for knowing your skills and role, and just doing it well. Not everyone is a HC.True. Rocky Seto would be amazing then. He'd be my top choice for DC if we have a shot at him. But might not be able to chat with him for quite some time.I'm on board with a switch to a 4-3 defensive coordinator. Someone from the Seahawks that can maximize Maxwell and has picked up on their philosophy would be promising...
EDT: Just read he's been with Pete for 15 years and turned down other offers. Doubt he leaves.
Ya. As much as someone wants to bash Chip, the guy is an innovative and creative offensive mind. We did lose at least that when we fired him. Maybe Shurmur learned a ton of those good things, and can keep that going as our OC next year. Hell, I even hope he keeps the sports science and the shakes.Interesting hearing Shurmer say he's learned more the past 3 years than any stretch in his coaching career
He came in with something different to what everybody else is doing, I'll grant that. Creativity? Not so sure. Where was it when the performance of the unit was sliding downwards over the last two years? There were some nice adjustments we saw through Year 1 but after that it just seemed to run out of steam. If anything I think the offense became less diverse and more predictable as time went on. Some of what I thought were the best elements of it, like the run/pass option components seemed to disappear this season without anything new being introduced to offset the loss. I don't buy the new QB as the excuse either, they managed to teach it to all the players in 2013.Ya. As much as someone wants to bash Chip, the guy is an innovative and creative offensive mind. We did lose at least that when we fired him. Maybe Shurmur learned a ton of those good things, and can keep that going as our OC next year. Hell, I even hope he keeps the sports science and the shakes.Interesting hearing Shurmer say he's learned more the past 3 years than any stretch in his coaching career
is he a 4-3 or 3-4 guy? He's got a great DC resume...Deamon said:I think Pettine would be a great DC here actually
yea yea yea, Magic fan back in the day with Nick Anderson, Dennis Scott, Penny, Hardaway, Shaq.Long Ball Larry said:Bro, it's David Shaw.JAA said:I want someone who has experience building a team. Who is a players coach, ala Harbaugh. I think everyone is sleeping on Brian ShawCan someone tell me whats wrong with Brian Shaw other than no NFL experience and a college coach like Chipper?Prefer we go with a defensive minded coach. Nothing against Gase per se, but not overly impressed with what he's done in Chicago this year. Has Cutler been that good? And I do wonder how much of his Denver success rests with personnel like Manning, Thomas, Sanders, etc.Maybe it's me, but every year there is a 'hot offensive guy' and they seem hit and miss. Plus, as mentioned if our O does very well the OC is likely to be plucked.Hey Mice, what do you not like about Gase?
That said those in the know seem to rave about his smarts and his youth doesn't scare me off.
I like the idea of bringing in a defensive minded coach.Mighty Mice said:I'd really prefer to bring in a defensive minded head coach to oversee the switch to a 4-3 and maximize Cox/Barwin/Graham/Curry/Hicks/Rowe et al. Let Shurmur run the O w/Bradford. They have the history/chemistry and with our RBs and Matthews/Ertz really we just need some offensive line help.
Whatever HC is hired is going to want say on OC/DC most likely but I hope they can manage to retain Shurmur as I think that means we will keep Bradford.
He sucks. cost us serious in this game