higgins
Footballguy
I'm not sure I understand the question:
Toney's avg his first 2 years < Shaheed's 2/3 rookie year
Shaheed > Toney
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WR Rashid Shaheed, NO (1 Viewer)
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Toney's avg his first 2 years < Shaheed's 2/3 rookie year
Shaheed > Toney
Ilov80s
Footballguy
He’s like Toney in the sense he’s fast. The difference is he’s healthy and produces consistently.
I'm rooting for the guy, but he's had 2 ACL injuries himself, and I wouldn't say that he produces "consistently" just yet.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
He’s played in 11 NFL games and is averaging 58 yards and 0.38 TDs per game. Pretty nice start to a career. If his name was Jameson Williams or Skyy Moore people would need to change their underwear they would be so excited.
I agree, nice start to a career. That's a far cry from producing consistently though.
Again, I own him and am rooting for him, just trying to keep things in perspective. He's 25 years old, an UDFA, had 2 ACL surgeries, minimal production in the Big Sky conference, and has yet to exceed 6 targets in a game. No doubt he's ridiculously fast, but there is still plenty of question as to whether he can produce consistently.
Grid71
Footballguy
Posted this in a week 2 start em/sit em thread. Surprised to see so many doubters after all he's shown since getting more playing time week 12 last season. Having Carr at QB improves the situation in 2023. He's my 2nd highest owned WR in over 100 best ball drafts this summer. No trades, so it's not like big hype is going to make any difference to those teams.
He outscored Olave in 5 of the last 7 weeks in full PPR scoring going back to week 12 when Shaheed started seeing more playing time. Considering Olave has a much higher volume, that's pretty wild. I'm starting him especially while Kamara is out.
| Olave | 19.2 | 17.0 | 8.2 | 0.0 | 8.3 | 10.5 | 11.2 |
| Shaheed | 21.0 | 7.1 | 13.9 | 8.1 | 18.5 | 11.5 | 7.3 |
Injuries are a concern for every player in the football and for some players they seem to come all at once. Why, no one truly knows. He's not returning punts anymore which to me is a big positive. They're drawing up plays to get him in space, even running plays. Glad I picked him up.
Well, he'd better outperform Olave since he's 2 years older than him.
Sure, if you want to start at week 12, count a game Olave missed due to injury and another where he was limited with the same injury, they were comparable. But that's not really the point, the point was he really hasn't produced consistently (yet), he's only had a couple of good FF games. It isn't a knock, it shouldn't be expected that he would have, but it's reality.
That said, he's a great WR to roster considering his super low cost, especially in best ball leagues like yours. In non-best ball leagues, he's going to need more volume to be consistent. Hopefully he's on his way.
markrc99
Footballguy
In my .5ppr leagues that score production from the return game, Shaheed put up nearly a 30-burger last week. My guess is that he's never going to be a volume play. A lot of other weapons around him is a good thing. As noted, very fast & elusive, can do a lot with 6-8 targets, a run or two & several returns. Plus, a considerable upgrade at QB.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
One of those nice plays where you're an underdog and need the firecracker
rockaction
Footballguy
Just acquired him in dynasty for Zach Cunningham. Super excited.
Football Jones
Footballguy
This kid is so good. From what I’ve seen, Speed Shaheed is second only to Tyreek as far as explosiveness goes.
He would’ve had a second TD (about 85 yards) if Carr had a little stronger arm (or if he was 100%). Had his guy beat by 4 or 5 yards on a go, but it was underthrown. As it was, Shaheed came back & made a great catch on a 50-50 ball. He’s really dangerous on jet sweeps, too (& as a returner if you get points).
I’m going to be that guy & say some of the targets they’re giving to Olave & Thomas need to go to Shaheed. He’s not just a one-trick pony & may actually be their best WR.
He would’ve had a second TD (about 85 yards) if Carr had a little stronger arm (or if he was 100%). Had his guy beat by 4 or 5 yards on a go, but it was underthrown. As it was, Shaheed came back & made a great catch on a 50-50 ball. He’s really dangerous on jet sweeps, too (& as a returner if you get points).
I’m going to be that guy & say some of the targets they’re giving to Olave & Thomas need to go to Shaheed. He’s not just a one-trick pony & may actually be their best WR.
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Doug B
Footballguy
I agree with this. At present, the Saints' offense has both wholesale O-line problems (both injuries and ineffectiveness) AND a probable looming demotion of OC Pete Carmichael. A lot of things are working against Shaheed at the moment (against Olave as well, as I'm sure owners have noticed).
LawFitz
Footballguy
Not familiar with the replacement options. Is it possible this could be a good thing?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Great question, it is shades of rookie year Tyreek Hill. Now that is obviously the most insane best case scenario and I do not think Shaheed ends up as a Hall of Famer. I just mean it sure seems like this guy's per touch production on receptions, runs, returns is pretty eye popping and it makes you wonder if the Saints shouldn't be coming up with ways to get him 5-10 touches a game just to see how much he can offer.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
15th rounder (pick 177) in our PPR redraft. Outperforming his 3rd round (pick 26) teammate by 2 PPG.
Neat hobby.
Neat hobby.
Football Jones
Footballguy
The Saints need to feature Shaheed. Way underutilized & despite the draft capital difference, he’s looking like their best WR (certainly the most effecient).
This cat isn’t your basic speed merchant. They can work a lot of things off the cushion DBs have to give him. He’s got some nuance to his game & has good hands.
This cat isn’t your basic speed merchant. They can work a lot of things off the cushion DBs have to give him. He’s got some nuance to his game & has good hands.
FantasyGuru24
Footballguy
He’s got some Tyreek to his game .. His speed and the way he makes contested catches
Football Jones
Footballguy
Absolutely. Shaheed needs more targets & at least 8 touches a game.
Tyreek is a legit comparison. In fact, if the Saints had a top QB, we’re likely looking at a FF stud.
Terpman22
Footballguy
I see him more as a Desean than Tyreek guy, b/c Tyreek is just more powerful than any speed WR I have ever seen. But maybe splitting hairs. Picked him up in a majority of my dynasties late last season, just keep starting/benching him the wrong weeks.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
You are right he is good in contested catch situations and his speed really does pop. Just seems like nobody can run with him. Also like Tyreek he has the “where in the world did this guy come from?” factor.
Football Jones
Footballguy
The thing that separates Shaheed from guys like Jackson is his contested catch ability. The exciting thing is he’s got a lot of headroom left. Shaheed isn’t anywhere near maxed out like Nacua, for instance.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
Just a shame he's 25 and not 22 or 23.
Football Jones
Footballguy
It’s a ding, but plenty young enough to get going. Hopefully, he gets a QB who can take full advantage of his speed.
It’s not like Tua has a gun so there’s hope, but the coaching staff needs to wake up & smell the coffee. There’s a bunch of things they could do with him.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Good question. He would be hard to move because his value isn’t anywhere near tapped out so owners are likely holding.
Doug B
Footballguy
Shaheed was blowing some assignments earlier in the season (e.g. running to the wrong spot or wrong depth) when the Saints were trying to work him into the short & intermediate game. But I think he can improve in those areas. Hopefully, he keeps making plays and continues to earn a patient hand from the coaches.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
This dude needs to be part of Miami ASAP. His speed is eye popping.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Yeah, he was raw coming out, but those are the easiest things to correct. I still think they could be a lot more creative with him, though.
Shaheed just needs a crack so I’d run him a couple times a game, give him a touch or two on screens, & work in some speed motion concepts like Tyreek does. Also, not sure how many drag routes he’s ran, but that’s an easy way to utilize his speed with a simple route. Hard to keep up with Shaheed running across the field in man, & if he’s open, it’s a high percentage throw.
Doug B
Footballguy
Right on.
Something fantasy observers might not be hip to is that Shaheed missed both OTAs and about a month of training camp this season. He was also hurt for all of camp and the first five regular season games in 2022, as well. So his instruction/installation time with the coaches has been very limited to date. There are still fundamental things Shaheed is working into his game right now. He's far from a finished product.
Hugsy_Malone
Footballguy
I am, but Thomas being out shouldn't influence Shaheed's playing time too much. In fact, one of the websites was pointing out that it was A.T. Perry's snaps that jumped when Thomas went down mid-game. I'd expect Shaheed to be the WR3 in three-wide sets, not the one shifting to Thomas's position. They also signed Marquez Callaway, who is familiar with the Saints' system.
Don't know who I'd roll given your choices, though. Doubs would seem to be a guy to look at in a shootout in Detroit where GB is either throwing a lot to keep pace or catch up with the Lions.
greedygoat
Footballguy
Shaheed for me over Diontae Johnson.
FantasyGuru24
Footballguy
Tentative? Be confident .. He’s gonna ball as long as Derek Carr is the QB
Hugsy_Malone
Footballguy
Are you going for ceiling?
Streetduck
Footballguy
Kupp is out?
irish eyes
Footballguy
He may as well be. Those stellar 1 catch 11 yard games don't help much.
bolldpt
Footballguy
Mattison has the highest floor. Shaheed and Atwell are similar in ceiling with the edge to Shaheed
rockaction
Footballguy
He didn't look good. Looked like he hurt it and tried to go again on it, which led to him limping off the field and throwing his helmet. It looked worse than "day-to-day" to me, but it's good that they were able to get that sort of assessment on him.
Unfortunately, I desperately need him this week.
Unfortunately, I desperately need him this week.
