WR Marvin Harrison Jr., ARZ (1 Viewer)

[-OZ-]

How is this guy almost as valuable as Amon-Ra St Brown, more valuable than Puka Nacua? Already #4 wr is completely nuts to me.

Wait until he catches 6 balls week 1 and jumps into the Elite tier, maybe even WR1.

The good thing with MHJ is even if he doesn’t do really well as a rookie he’ll maintain top 12 status. If he performs as expected, he might be worth more than JJ.
I wouldn’t trade the 1 in regular dynasty for any player other than Bijan, Chase, JJ, maybe lamb, breece and Gibbs.

Im still trying to make sense of why the guy who just exceeded both JJ's and Chase's rookie year is worth less than a rookie who could do that.

Mostly due to what is expected for the rest of their career. If you think Puka is the #1 WR in dynasty, you can probably get him.

 

[Blick]

How is this guy almost as valuable as Amon-Ra St Brown, more valuable than Puka Nacua? Already #4 wr is completely nuts to me.

Wait until he catches 6 balls week 1 and jumps into the Elite tier, maybe even WR1.

The good thing with MHJ is even if he doesn’t do really well as a rookie he’ll maintain top 12 status. If he performs as expected, he might be worth more than JJ.
I wouldn’t trade the 1 in regular dynasty for any player other than Bijan, Chase, JJ, maybe lamb, breece and Gibbs.

Im still trying to make sense of why the guy who just exceeded both JJ's and Chase's rookie year is worth less than a rookie who could do that.

Mostly due to what is expected for the rest of their career. If you think Puka is the #1 WR in dynasty, you can probably get him.

His situation isn’t unlike ARSB’s coming off of his rookie year. Given the late draft capital, most people had to “see it again” before going all in.

 

[Dez]

How is this guy almost as valuable as Amon-Ra St Brown, more valuable than Puka Nacua? Already #4 wr is completely nuts to me.

Wait until he catches 6 balls week 1 and jumps into the Elite tier, maybe even WR1.

The good thing with MHJ is even if he doesn’t do really well as a rookie he’ll maintain top 12 status. If he performs as expected, he might be worth more than JJ.
I wouldn’t trade the 1 in regular dynasty for any player other than Bijan, Chase, JJ, maybe lamb, breece and Gibbs.

Im still trying to make sense of why the guy who just exceeded both JJ's and Chase's rookie year is worth less than a rookie who could do that.

Mostly due to what is expected for the rest of their career. If you think Puka is the #1 WR in dynasty, you can probably get him.

His situation isn’t unlike ARSB’s coming off of his rookie year. Given the late draft capital, most people had to “see it again” before going all in.

Was a big difference in startups not really same at all St Brown was still a 5th or 6th round startup pick his 2nd year Puka is already a 1st rounder (1 QB leagues)

 

[-OZ-]

How is this guy almost as valuable as Amon-Ra St Brown, more valuable than Puka Nacua? Already #4 wr is completely nuts to me.

Wait until he catches 6 balls week 1 and jumps into the Elite tier, maybe even WR1.

The good thing with MHJ is even if he doesn’t do really well as a rookie he’ll maintain top 12 status. If he performs as expected, he might be worth more than JJ.
I wouldn’t trade the 1 in regular dynasty for any player other than Bijan, Chase, JJ, maybe lamb, breece and Gibbs.

Im still trying to make sense of why the guy who just exceeded both JJ's and Chase's rookie year is worth less than a rookie who could do that.

Mostly due to what is expected for the rest of their career. If you think Puka is the #1 WR in dynasty, you can probably get him.

His situation isn’t unlike ARSB’s coming off of his rookie year. Given the late draft capital, most people had to “see it again” before going all in.

Was a big difference in startups not really same at all St Brown was still a 5th or 6th round startup pick his 2nd year Puka is already a 1st rounder (1 QB leagues)

Right. St brown didn’t have a similar rookie year, didn’t even eclipse 1,000 yards. But he ended the season with a series of nice games. Puka did it all year.
But I’ll still take MH jr in dynasty over either if I’m building. (Although he’s just 1 and 3 years younger) Maybe that’s wrong, but my perception seems to reflect the consensus.

 

[menobrown]

How is this guy almost as valuable as Amon-Ra St Brown, more valuable than Puka Nacua? Already #4 wr is completely nuts to me.

Wait until he catches 6 balls week 1 and jumps into the Elite tier, maybe even WR1.

The good thing with MHJ is even if he doesn’t do really well as a rookie he’ll maintain top 12 status. If he performs as expected, he might be worth more than JJ.
I wouldn’t trade the 1 in regular dynasty for any player other than Bijan, Chase, JJ, maybe lamb, breece and Gibbs.

Im still trying to make sense of why the guy who just exceeded both JJ's and Chase's rookie year is worth less than a rookie who could do that.

Mostly due to what is expected for the rest of their career. If you think Puka is the #1 WR in dynasty, you can probably get him.

His situation isn’t unlike ARSB’s coming off of his rookie year. Given the late draft capital, most people had to “see it again” before going all in.

I think it's been pointed out but probably meant ASRB's second season, which was similar to Puka's rookie year in fantasy production, a little under, but similar. But long story short ASRB entering year 3 was valued about on par as Puka is entering year two.

 

[Faust]

Bob McGinn's draft series begins

Excerpt:

MARVIN HARRISON, Ohio State (6-3, 209, no 40, Round 1): Fourth in the Heisman trophy voting as a third-year junior in 2023. “If he catches it on the run he shows unreal top-end speed,” one scout said. “If he would have (worked) at the combine he wouldn’t have won the 40 but if they had run the 100 he’d be at the top. When he catches those shallow drags you see him outrun angles and people. What you don’t see, if he’s running a curl, a comebacker or a dig and he’s not already in full-speed stride, is the ruggedness, the passion. He has the ability to be a good run-after-catch guy who, to me, was playing his last year of college football protecting himself.” Backed up in 2021 before starring in 2022-’23. “I’m going to say he’s the No. 1 player in the draft,” a second scout said. “His dad (Marvin) was a quickness-change of direction type with very skilled hands. Marvin Jr. is bigger, more of a jump-ball guy. Makes plays in the red zone and out near the sideline. He makes the field about 57, 58 yards wide (rather than 53 1/3) because he can extend for the ball on the sideline. He’s very polished. Some will argue that he’s not even the best receiver, that Nabers is. Over the next 10, 12, 15 years I think he’ll be the top guy.” Finished with 155 receptions for 2,613 yards (16.9) and 31 touchdowns. “I kind of liken him to Larry Fitzgerald,” a third scout said. “You didn’t see a ton of run after the catch with Larry Fitzgerald coming out (in 2004) but he did it in the NFL. Harrison’s going to be a great NFL player just like Larry Fitzgerald was. Calvin (Johnson) is much more gifted.” From Philadelphia.

 

[Faust]

Ohio State WR Marvin Harrison Jr. explains skipping pre-draft workouts: I 'trained to play football instead'

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

Total diva, uncompetitive, ra ra ra, etc etc

 

[Soulfly3]

Marvin Harrison Jr. has yet to sign a preliminary NFLPA licensing agreement that all draftees typically sign, which would allow his name and likeness to be monetized after he is picked tonight and before his NFL contract is signed, per sources. His jersey will not be available for purchase and he will not be featured in video games until his NFLPA group licensing deal is signed.
- Schefter

 

[Faust]

Cardinals select Ohio State WR Marvin Harrison Jr. with No. 4 overall pick

 

[Faust]

Fantasy Football 2024: Marvin Harrison Jr. gets selected No. 4 overall, will immediately bolster Arizona Cardinals passing offense

 

[Faust]

Marvin Harrison Jr. Drafted By Arizona Cardinals

 

[Faust]

Marvin Harrison ecstatic to be a Cardinal, Kyler Murray’s newest WR1

Cardinals WR Marvin Harrison Jr. shares excitement to play with Kyler Murray

 

[Faust]

Cardinals OC Drew Petzing: Rookie WR Marvin Harrison Jr. will earn his role, 'like everyone else'

 

[Faust]

Well-rested Marvin Harrison Jr. ready for Cardinals career

 

[Da Franchise]

Is anyone else slightly concerned about his business decisions? He’s on an island with all of it and adds context to his decisions at the combine.

I don’t have any questions about his talent but it seems like he’s bringing a lot of unnecessary distractions to his rookie year. He’s going to be a pain in the *** for a team to deal with. He’s so good that his fantasy production is likely immune to all of it, but it’s a bit of a yellow flag to me. Wont matter for three years until they have to start thinking about his contract but it’s weird and not great IMO.

 

[BladeRunner]

Fanatics' case against Marvin Harrison Jr. comes down to whether "Binding Term Sheet" is a binding contract

We love the fact that Marvin Harrison Jr. marches to the beat of his own drum.

www.nbcsports.com

if true, not cool to back out of a contract like this.

 

[Ilov80s]

Fanatics' case against Marvin Harrison Jr. comes down to whether "Binding Term Sheet" is a binding contract

We love the fact that Marvin Harrison Jr. marches to the beat of his own drum.

www.nbcsports.com

if true, not cool to back out of a contract like this.

Sounds like dad is driving a lot of this. Not sure how we can really let any of it impact fantasy though. So maybe it increases the chances he holds out but that’s down the road and so much speculation that it seems kind of pointless to even consider.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Fanatics' case against Marvin Harrison Jr. comes down to whether "Binding Term Sheet" is a binding contract

We love the fact that Marvin Harrison Jr. marches to the beat of his own drum.

www.nbcsports.com

if true, not cool to back out of a contract like this.

Sounds like dad is driving a lot of this. Not sure how we can really let any of it impact fantasy though. So maybe it increases the chances he holds out but that’s down the road and so much speculation that it seems kind of pointless to even consider.

"The complaint says a 'Binding Term Sheet' exists. The complaint includes four bullet points regarding its content. All information is redacted."

MH Sr. dodging bullets for once.

 

[menobrown]

Is anyone else slightly concerned about his business decisions? He’s on an island with all of it and adds context to his decisions at the combine.

I don’t have any questions about his talent but it seems like he’s bringing a lot of unnecessary distractions to his rookie year. He’s going to be a pain in the *** for a team to deal with. He’s so good that his fantasy production is likely immune to all of it, but it’s a bit of a yellow flag to me. Wont matter for three years until they have to start thinking about his contract but it’s weird and not great IMO.

Yes and I drafted him 3x , but yes.

I was already thinking of this before I took him. He's the most likely player in the league to pull a Leveon Bell. Believe if he was in a similar situation as say Tee Higgins, him not playing or playing only minimum games to accrue a season would be more likely then possible.

It concerns me a little as a fantasy manager, it would concern me more if I ran the Cardinals.

 

[eighsse2]

Floated an offer out there of Olave, Smith-Njigba, and 2.04, for 1.01, 3.01, and 4.01. I feel like that's a strong offer, but likely not enough.

 

[efactor]

Floated an offer out there of Olave, Smith-Njigba, and 2.04, for 1.01, 3.01, and 4.01. I feel like that's a strong offer, but likely not enough.

It is a good offer but yeah, probably not enough. Harrison just has a chance to be special. Most dynasty players won’t let that pass them by.

 

[Lehigh98]

Took him over Caleb in SF, don't @ me!

 

[Faust]

How could pre-draft decisions impact Marvin Harrison Jr. in Arizona? | Zero Blitz

 

[eighsse2]

Threw out an offer in 12-team 1QB PPR, of Olave and Metcalf for the #1 and #25 picks. I assume it will be rejected, but a case can be made for it, considering his other receivers are Waddle, Lockett, and nobodies.

 

[Ilov80s]

Threw out an offer in 12-team 1QB PPR, of Olave and Metcalf for the #1 and #25 picks. I assume it will be rejected, but a case can be made for it, considering his other receivers are Waddle, Lockett, and nobodies.

Fair offer imo. Pick 25 isn’t worthless but it’s more than likely a player who will never amount to much. Harrison has an elite ceiling but he could also just be another Olave fantasy wise.

 

[travdogg]

Threw out an offer in 12-team 1QB PPR, of Olave and Metcalf for the #1 and #25 picks. I assume it will be rejected, but a case can be made for it, considering his other receivers are Waddle, Lockett, and nobodies.

I love Harrison, but I think I'd be on the Olave/DK side of that one. I get the temptation if you've got the WR depth and want to swing for the fences.

 

[Soulfly3]

Listen, I get the fanfare of MHJ... I do... But if he has an Olave like career (so far) you should be very happy.
Olave is proving to be a stud with borderline trash at QB.

Again, I know the name brand of MHJ is big time, but Olave being really undervalued here

 

[eighsse2]

Threw out an offer in 12-team 1QB PPR, of Olave and Metcalf for the #1 and #25 picks. I assume it will be rejected, but a case can be made for it, considering his other receivers are Waddle, Lockett, and nobodies.

He rejected this anyway. Sounds like maybe I should be glad, lol.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I see Harrison Jr is in the Top 10 at WR for Redraft preseason/ADP, etc...
As @travdogg would say on some other players, he's simply not on my board because he'll be long gone by the time I would be willing to draft him
No rookie WR would be my anchor at WR1, not saying that Harrison isn't going to have a great career but as a rookie WR in Redraft he's way too high for me

 

[Ilov80s]

Listen, I get the fanfare of MHJ... I do... But if he has an Olave like career (so far) you should be very happy.
Olave is proving to be a stud with borderline trash at QB.

Again, I know the name brand of MHJ is big time, but Olave being really undervalued here

Olave is solid but I don’t ever see him as a true alpha. If MJH has Olave numbers his first 2 seasons, people will be a little disappointed.

 

[Soulfly3]

Listen, I get the fanfare of MHJ... I do... But if he has an Olave like career (so far) you should be very happy.
Olave is proving to be a stud with borderline trash at QB.

Again, I know the name brand of MHJ is big time, but Olave being really undervalued here

Olave is solid but I don’t ever see him as a true alpha. If MJH has Olave numbers his first 2 seasons, people will be a little disappointed.

They'd be foolish, honestly. Sure, Olave's TD numbers were on the lowish side, but otherwise, his first 2 years in the league have been very strong. Carr also took some nice strides at the end of the season, and if he continues on that, Olave could definitely see some special numbers.

Olave with even a good (not great) QB, is top 10 all day for me

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Listen, I get the fanfare of MHJ... I do... But if he has an Olave like career (so far) you should be very happy.
Olave is proving to be a stud with borderline trash at QB.

Again, I know the name brand of MHJ is big time, but Olave being really undervalued here

Olave is solid but I don’t ever see him as a true alpha. If MJH has Olave numbers his first 2 seasons, people will be a little disappointed.

They'd be foolish, honestly. Sure, Olave's TD numbers were on the lowish side, but otherwise, his first 2 years in the league have been very strong. Carr also took some nice strides at the end of the season, and if he continues on that, Olave could definitely see some special numbers.

Olave with even a good (not great) QB, is top 10 all day for me

ADP-MHJr 13th overall or 2.1 in 12-team redrafts
ADP-Olave 20th overall or 2.8 in 12-team redrafts

Both are 2nd round projections for Redraft this season, seems like they are perceived close in value and one of them has never taken an NFL snap
Interesting

 

[Soulfly3]

Listen, I get the fanfare of MHJ... I do... But if he has an Olave like career (so far) you should be very happy.
Olave is proving to be a stud with borderline trash at QB.

Again, I know the name brand of MHJ is big time, but Olave being really undervalued here

Olave is solid but I don’t ever see him as a true alpha. If MJH has Olave numbers his first 2 seasons, people will be a little disappointed.

They'd be foolish, honestly. Sure, Olave's TD numbers were on the lowish side, but otherwise, his first 2 years in the league have been very strong. Carr also took some nice strides at the end of the season, and if he continues on that, Olave could definitely see some special numbers.

Olave with even a good (not great) QB, is top 10 all day for me

ADP-MHJr 13th overall or 2.1 in 12-team redrafts
ADP-Olave 20th overall or 2.8 in 12-team redrafts

Both are 2nd round projections for Redraft this season, seems like they are perceived close in value and one of them has never taken an NFL snap
Interesting

It's ludicrous, is what it is. But it is what it is.

 

[Ilov80s]

Listen, I get the fanfare of MHJ... I do... But if he has an Olave like career (so far) you should be very happy.
Olave is proving to be a stud with borderline trash at QB.

Again, I know the name brand of MHJ is big time, but Olave being really undervalued here

Olave is solid but I don’t ever see him as a true alpha. If MJH has Olave numbers his first 2 seasons, people will be a little disappointed.

They'd be foolish, honestly. Sure, Olave's TD numbers were on the lowish side, but otherwise, his first 2 years in the league have been very strong. Carr also took some nice strides at the end of the season, and if he continues on that, Olave could definitely see some special numbers.

Olave with even a good (not great) QB, is top 10 all day for me

The thing is Carr stinks and that’s Olave’s QB this year. I’m not talking an out what numbers Olave would have if he played in Buffalo, just saying what he has done in his career. People want Jefferson/Chase numbers from MJH. It’s asking a lot imo but it’s what people expect.

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect MHJ to outperform Olave by a fair amount this season.

I can totally understand why they have similar ADP. There's some risk that MHJ doesn't take to the NFL but I don't see it as any greater risk than Olave having the fairly mediocre numbers he's had the past two seasons again.

17th in receiving yards and joint 35th in receiving TD's in 2023 and 18th in rec yards, joint 46th in rec TD's in 22. Not exactly an insurmountable set of figures is it?

Realistically they both underperform their ADP if the expectation is them being top 12 guys.