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WR Cooper Kupp, LAR (2 Viewers)

Mongidig said:
I past on him last night in the late second in a best ball league and regret it. I took Olave who I love. I think the sweet spot for Kupp is mid second after the Pollard, Barkley, Adams, Wilson tier. I usually don't like dealing with players coming into the season with soft tissue injuries. I am less nervous about him missing a game or two to start the season and more nervous they may shut him down later n the season. All that being said, this is best ball and I had an opportunity to build a unique lineup. If he is available come playoff time my team could dominate.
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I got him at pick 23 yesterday in best ball. At least my regret about passing on him in the other draft feels better. He’s a great best ball pick at the point I think. I have him Chase and Higgins. I’m not in love with the picks at this point anyway. I don’t know where I take him in a normal redraft.
 
Weebs210 said:
Doubles said:
What if he’s seeing this specialist and all this **** because they told him he’s out for the season or some wild amount of time?
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Don't wish that on us Ricky Bobby
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In one of my money leagues I got him first round. But I’m just thinking like a second opinion from a specialist prob isn’t gonna say hey man, good news, you’re gonna be better sooner. I don’t know anything, however.
 
Doubles said:
Weebs210 said:
Doubles said:
What if he’s seeing this specialist and all this **** because they told him he’s out for the season or some wild amount of time?
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Don't wish that on us Ricky Bobby
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In one of my money leagues I got him first round. But I’m just thinking like a second opinion from a specialist prob isn’t gonna say hey man, good news, you’re gonna be better sooner. I don’t know anything, however.
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My guess is he's getting some type of stem cell injection but we will see.
 
Rams HC Sean McVay said he will have more information on Cooper Kupp’s injury (hamstring) and Week 1 status on Wednesday.

For now, Kupp’s Week 1 status against the Seahawks is truly up in the air, but it could become more definite as early as Wednesday. Kupp has been dealing with a hamstring injury dating back to early August, and suffered a setback in his recovery last week. McVay also hinted at Kupp missing multiple games if he is indeed sidelined in Week 1, making him all the more difficult to trust for fantasy purposes. Kupp’s elite upside as a fantasy asset is never in doubt when healthy, but repeated issues with a soft tissue injury before the start of the season bring his long-term outlook into question. Van Jefferson and rookie Puka Nacua stand to benefit from any time Kupp would miss.
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JohnnyU said:
Isn’t getting a second opinion a bad thing most of the time? I mean if it’s bad enough for a second opinion, then it must be bad. I could be wrong, but this could linger all of 2023.
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It’s not the second opinion, it’s the “seeing a specialist”

That’s a bad thing. Always.
 
Schmeabs said:
Where does Kupp rank now in PPR? FBG has him at 25, that seems a little high to me.
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Seems about right, if he misses 3 or 4 games and is then past the injury could be league winning, that's a gamble to be sure but no guts no glory I guess. Other side is if lingers most of the year then you're kinda screwed.
 
If he was coming into a stable rams situation, 2-3 years ago, I feel like his current price is justified, but he's a total do not draft any time before the 6th to me given Stafford's age and fragility. I'm shocked staff came back to begin with, they didn't improve the line markedly and I worry about him finishing the season.
 
I got way too much Kupp right now either I wasted a lot of money in the past week buying the 2nd round dip or maybe I hit the jackpot.
I really hate drafting for 4 months taking a guy top 5 then all of a sudden when drafting season hits its peak the final 2 weeks he becomes a 2nd sometimes 3rd round pick so a lot of teams have a top 4 stud player plus Kupp
 
Dez said:
I got way too much Kupp right now either I wasted a lot of money in the past week buying the 2nd round dip or maybe I hit the jackpot.
I really hate drafting for 4 months taking a guy top 5 then all of a sudden when drafting season hits its peak the final 2 weeks he becomes a 2nd sometimes 3rd round pick so a lot of teams have a top 4 stud player plus Kupp
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IMO there’s reason for concern.

- seeing a specialist is never because it’s suddenly feeling better.
- McVay cagey comments
- “setback” after weeks of rest & healing + return to practice

Hammy strains = tears to varying degree. At 30, with a life of playing football, that rubber band might be a little over-stretched.

I’m not yet convinced that those teams have a top 4 stud + Kupp. I guess we’ll know in a few weeks.

The most difficult thing for Kupp shareholders will be knowing when to trust him. And then holding your breath that he doesn’t come up gimpy in the 1st quarter of an important game with re-injury.

Tough player to gauge right now. He could bounce back just fine & be the steal of the draft. :shrug:
 
My GUESS with NO information other than what's public is that he's getting a second opinion before going on PUP. They didn't like what he heard and they want to see if there's another option. I'll let others take this risk.
 
Ilov80s said:
The Athletic has a quote from McVay that I think is especially worrisome. It said the reason he’s going to the specialist is because the hamstring injury isn’t aligning with what is standard for the injury. Something about it is especially abnormal. That sounds bad to me.

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Someone named Dr. Jamie Jakes responded to that post with:
My translation/speculation: the way the injury occurred does not match up with a typical hamstring strain and or the hamstring is not responding to treatment the way a typical hammy strain does. My best guess it is a sciatic nerve issue that has been misdiagnosed as a hamstring strain. Best case scenario it's something like piriformis syndrome and he's a back in a week. Worst case is a lumbar spine/disc issue that requires surgery and will likely end his szn.
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Pip's Invitation said:
Ilov80s said:
The Athletic has a quote from McVay that I think is especially worrisome. It said the reason he’s going to the specialist is because the hamstring injury isn’t aligning with what is standard for the injury. Something about it is especially abnormal. That sounds bad to me.

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Someone named Dr. Jamie Jakes responded to that post with:
My translation/speculation: the way the injury occurred does not match up with a typical hamstring strain and or the hamstring is not responding to treatment the way a typical hammy strain does. My best guess it is a sciatic nerve issue that has been misdiagnosed as a hamstring strain. Best case scenario it's something like piriformis syndrome and he's a back in a week. Worst case is a lumbar spine/disc issue that requires surgery and will likely end his szn.
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This does sound a bit alarming when a specialist is called in. That said, it's hard to take information seriously from a guy named Jamie Jakes.
 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
JohnnyU said:
Isn’t getting a second opinion a bad thing most of the time? I mean if it’s bad enough for a second opinion, then it must be bad. I could be wrong, but this could linger all of 2023.
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It’s not the second opinion, it’s the “seeing a specialist”

That’s a bad thing. Always.
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Who gave the first opinion? A proctologist?
 
Smack Tripper said:
I'm shocked staff came back to begin with, they didn't improve the line markedly and I worry about him finishing the season.
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That OL was shell-shocked by various injuries last year — not sure their starters were ever able to play together as a unit?

IMHO, we don’t know what to expect between Whitworth retiring after the SB -and- them as a healthy unit.
 
JMO He's still going too high in drafts. Checked out a few PPR drafts completed yesterday and he's still going anywhere from early 2nd to early 3rd.

I don't think anyone believes the Rams were going to be good with Kupp this season. Their season has potential to be over fast. 4 of their first 5 games are against playoff teams from last season (Seahawks-Niners-Bengals-Eagles). An 0-5 start is possible. Many would say even likely. They've got a declining mid-30s QB that seems to be year-2-year at this point on playing. Rams also have their 1st round pick for the first time in awhile with a rich 2024 NFL draft QB class appears coming.
 
"We're hopeful that this will give some clarity once he goes and talks to these doctors," McVay said. "Because it doesn't fall in alignment with some of the things that have ended up occurring relative to the standard strains of the hamstring, just based on what's occurred over the last month and a half."
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This quote is from a CBS FF email I just received.

It’s not exactly new information, but it’s added context. I hadn’t seen the reason for seeing a specialist, and honestly that sounds super not good.
 
Tell you what boys, as an owner since he was a rookie, this is the most exciting time in Van Jefferson's life, that's for sure.

Been clogging my roster for three years, never tried to trade him, and here we go. Looks like a pretty sexy flex to me
 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Dez said:
I got way too much Kupp right now either I wasted a lot of money in the past week buying the 2nd round dip or maybe I hit the jackpot.
I really hate drafting for 4 months taking a guy top 5 then all of a sudden when drafting season hits its peak the final 2 weeks he becomes a 2nd sometimes 3rd round pick so a lot of teams have a top 4 stud player plus Kupp
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IMO there’s reason for concern.
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Of course there is concern otherwise he would be going pick 5 not 20-30
 
Payne said:
zamboni said:
massraider said:
Tell you what boys, as an owner since he was a rookie, this is the most exciting time in Van Jefferson's life, that's for sure.
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I don't see this Jefferson movin' on up. Seems like he is who he is at this point.
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Fantasy is all about opportunity. Volume.
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Agreed, although I think he had an opportunity a few years ago when Kupp and/or Woods were out, and he didn't capitalize. And that was with a healthy (and probably more productive) Stafford. I'd bet more on Puca than Jefferson, although maybe Van will indeed surprise.
 
Zow said:
DA RAIDERS said:
I took him in the 4th yesterday. If he’s out until Week 4 I’m still fine. I was almost forced to take Jonathan Taylor also. 😂 who went in the 9th!
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Funny, I made both of these exact picks in those rounds. Figure I just need to start 2-2.
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I did an FFPC Main Event this weekend out of the 8 spot and the team picking 6 took Kupp and JT in the 3rd and 7th.

I was hurt and still sore over it as intended to take both 2 picks away.

I’ll just say with Kupp if I thought he was out 6 weeks and good to go I’d spend a mid third on him. It’s easy to cover for players those first weeks without a lot of byes. It’s next to impossible to find a potential 25 PPG WR in that area.
 
Dez said:
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Dez said:
I got way too much Kupp right now either I wasted a lot of money in the past week buying the 2nd round dip or maybe I hit the jackpot.
I really hate drafting for 4 months taking a guy top 5 then all of a sudden when drafting season hits its peak the final 2 weeks he becomes a 2nd sometimes 3rd round pick so a lot of teams have a top 4 stud player plus Kupp
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IMO there’s reason for concern.
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Of course there is concern otherwise he would be going pick 5 not 20-30
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I meant as opposed to being steal of the draft territory as you suggested.
 
Can anyone get Dr. Jene Bramel on the line to provide some insight on this Kupp injury?
One thing I always keep in mind is something Jene would say is the difference between "day to day" and "week to week" is a pretty wide gap in the injury world.

@Jene Bramel
 
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For those that drafted Kupp when things looked rosy, what are you doing? I took him in an auction and am debating trying to sell him at what will obviously be a discount. Hard to drop out not knowing what could come, but would hate to hold on only to cut him in week 5 or something. Currently debating a 1:1 trade offer for someone that would be a high-WR2 type. Someone like a Metcalf/DeVonta/Keenan/Ridley/Lockett or similar name.

From the other side - are there any people looking to buy Kupp on the dip, and if so what would you give up for his risk/reward?
 
This is not the news people were being led to believe in early Aug
To have to go see a specialist as Week 1 is rolling along, this doesn't sound like he is going to be lacing up his cleats any time soon.
The Rams are going to be a disaster
 
Polish Hammer said:
For those that drafted Kupp when things looked rosy, what are you doing? I took him in an auction and am debating trying to sell him at what will obviously be a discount. Hard to drop out not knowing what could come, but would hate to hold on only to cut him in week 5 or something. Currently debating a 1:1 trade offer for someone that would be a high-WR2 type. Someone like a Metcalf/DeVonta/Keenan/Ridley/Lockett or similar name.

From the other side - are there any people looking to buy Kupp on the dip, and if so what would you give up for his risk/reward?
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Those are vastly different names to me. Ridley and DeVonta are two I'd consider for sure. No way do I give him up for Lockett or Metcalf right now. His upside is just too high.
 
Ilov80s said:
foxco said:
Weebs210 said:
Let's wait to hear official word before we drop to our knees in Walmart and scream.
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If I'm in a Walmart, I'm pretty much guaranteed to be on my knees and screaming, Kupp has nothing to do with this situation.

Strange start to the season with so much uncertainty for some top guys right now (Kupp/JT/Kelce).
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Ummmm…awkward
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What's awkward is when you haven't been inside a Wal-Mart in years, prior to pandemic let's say and you stumble in the other day...
-I left empty handed so I'm with @foxco on this one, I didn't make it past the men's razor blade/shaving section and where they store the tennis balls.

The employees looked lost. If I had wanted to buy something, there was a self-checkout line that snaked all the way around the front of the store and I think there might have been 1 register open with an actual clerk, it was hard to tell as I was empty handed and just looking for the quickest exit but had I wanted to make a purchase, this would likely have also pushed me out empty-handed. Who has time to wait 20-30 minutes for self checkout on some basic items? Apparently all these people that were in my field of vision

Kupp is starting to make me feel empty like Wal-Mart
 
If I hadn't drafted yet, I'd consider Kupp a mid-3rd rounder right now, probably after guys like Deebo (who I love this year) and Higgins. Would probably argue the Ravens combo (Lamar/Andrews) over him as well.

If the options are DK, Allen, Lockett, Cooper, Moore, then I'm preferring Kupp.

I'd take the big 4 QBs over him, and the RB cutoff is probably Hall or Etienne.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
Ilov80s said:
foxco said:
Weebs210 said:
Let's wait to hear official word before we drop to our knees in Walmart and scream.
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If I'm in a Walmart, I'm pretty much guaranteed to be on my knees and screaming, Kupp has nothing to do with this situation.

Strange start to the season with so much uncertainty for some top guys right now (Kupp/JT/Kelce).
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Ummmm…awkward
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What's awkward is when you haven't been inside a Wal-Mart in years, prior to pandemic let's say and you stumble in the other day...
-I left empty handed so I'm with @foxco on this one, I didn't make it past the men's razor blade/shaving section and where they store the tennis balls.

The employees looked lost. If I had wanted to buy something, there was a self-checkout line that snaked all the way around the front of the store and I think there might have been 1 register open with an actual clerk, it was hard to tell as I was empty handed and just looking for the quickest exit but had I wanted to make a purchase, this would likely have also pushed me out empty-handed. Who has time to wait 20-30 minutes for self checkout on some basic items? Apparently all these people that were in my field of vision

Kupp is starting to make me feel empty like Wal-Mart
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So ..... Did you go in wanting to make a purchase, but bail out? It sounds more like you had no intention from the beginning.
 
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