Due solely to the impeachment investigation?Another 4 years.
I don't know. I have just resigned myself to Trump being president until 2024 and I wouldn't be surprised if he just stays after that. I've given up all hope.Due solely to the impeachment investigation?
What % it decreases?0% chance that his approval rating significantly increases.
Why have you given up hope? Personally, I think the chances he's re-elected are low because:I don't know. I have just resigned myself to Trump being president until 2024 and I wouldn't be surprised if he just stays after that. I've given up all hope.
I give it a 5% chance that his approval decreases. Honestly, everything seems baked in at this point, and I don't think the hearings or the trial will move the needle much. There are no Watergate-esque bombshells.What % it decreases?0% chance that his approval rating significantly increases.
These are good points, but there are a lot of moderates who disliked Hillary on a personal level but held their nose and voted for her. Those people aren't as likely to vote for Warren or Sanders.Why have you given up hope? Personally, I think the chances he's re-elected are low because:I don't know. I have just resigned myself to Trump being president until 2024 and I wouldn't be surprised if he just stays after that. I've given up all hope.
1. His original margin of victory wasn't big.
2. He's done nothing to gain supporters.
3. He done plenty to lose them and/or energize his opponents.
4. His opponent will be more likable than Hillary.
1. 304 - 227 is narrow?Why have you given up hope? Personally, I think the chances he's re-elected are low because:
1. His original margin of victory wasn't large.
2. He's done nothing to gain supporters.
3. He done plenty to lose them and/or energize his opponents.
4. His opponent will be more likable than Hillary.
1. In many of the swing states, the margin of victory was small.1. 304 - 227 is narrow?
2. You don’t think he’s energized the party?
3. According to who?
4. Nowhere to go but up, so agreed
1. the election came down to around 39,000 votes in 3 states. That makes it one of the closer races in the history of the electoral college. (And Trump's approval rating is down in all 3 of those states.)1. 304 - 227 is narrow?
2. You don’t think he’s energized the party?
3. According to who?
4. Nowhere to go but up, so agreed
Not in 2020 congressional races.2. You don’t think he’s energized the party?
My understanding is that he will be escorted out if he does so, yes. I highly doubt that he will.He'll be impeached but probably not convicted, since McConnell has already said he'll put party over country, and Trump will probably lose in 2020, but try to pull some shenanigans about a rigged election, and thus at least try to remain in office. Would law enforcement forcibly remove him from the White House at that point? He'd be trespassing at that point, wouldn't he?
Defense of the Constitution.What will be the result of this impeachment investigation?
Waste of taxpayer resources?Defense of the Constitution.
If you want to have this conversation, I'd start with corrupt foreign influence channeled both ways through the president and his lawyer and circumventing the Constitutionally mandated State Department.Waste of taxpayer resources?
Time that could be spent addressing real issues?
Like the 250 bills that the House has passed that is sitting on Mitch McConnell's desk because he refuses to bring them to the Senate floor for a voteWaste of taxpayer resources?
Time that could be spent addressing real issues?
Presidential corruption is a real issue.Waste of taxpayer resources?
Time that could be spent addressing real issues?
Not sure Warren or Sanders get the nomination.These are good points, but there are a lot of moderates who disliked Hillary on a personal level but held their nose and voted for her. Those people aren't as likely to vote for Warren or Sanders.
Our forefathers did not want POTUS to engage in bribery shakedown schemes with foreign entities. Impeachment and removal is the remedy they specifically prescribed for this exact situation.I think it is obvious the Dems have pre-determined they will impeach regardless of evidence. This is purely partisan, the exact thing our forefathers did not want. Shameful.
Also a bit disingenuous to claim that about the democrats when we literally have GOP senators saying the won't read the impeachment documents or watch the proceedings.Our forefathers did not want POTUS to engage in bribery shakedown schemes with foreign entities. Impeachment and removal is the remedy they specifically prescribed for this exact situation.
See Graham, Lindsay.Also a bit disingenuous to claim that about the democrats when we literally have GOP senators saying the won't read the impeachment documents or watch the proceedings.
This is what I keep saying to those who are losing hope. People like me voted 3rd party last time. We are VBNMW this time around. That's pretty much all it would take to kill his chances in 2020. However, if you look at the youth turnout in 2018 it bodes very favorably for 2020. So much so that I think the real question is not if trump loses 2020, but if the Senate flips. Youth voters hate trump so much that they will be coming out en masse and probably not just voting on the presidential race. They could be the key to flipping unlikely states like Texas.Why have you given up hope? Personally, I think the chances he's re-elected are low because:
1. His original margin of victory wasn't large.
2. He's done nothing to gain supporters.
3. He done plenty to lose them and/or energize his opponents.
4. His opponent will be more likable than Hillary.
Thanks. Everyone I'm sure remembers it differently and you likely pay way more attention than I do. With that said, I don't remember 2016 like that at all. I remember the jokes about how he didn't even want to run and it had been a practical joke gone wrong and it was going to be hilarious watching him get demolished. I don't think even HE had much thought he'd win.In 2016, his base was 100% energized. In 2020, his opposition is 100% energized.
Trump supporters maybe but Hillary detractors were what got him elected, IMO. I think if Ninja changed his statement to change his base out for those against Hillary were 100% energized then I think he would be accurate. I think there's a decent number of those people will not vote for him again.Thanks. Everyone I'm sure remembers it differently and you likely pay way more attention than I do. With that said, I don't remember 2016 like that at all. I remember the jokes about how he didn't even want to run and it had been a practical joke gone wrong and it was going to be hilarious watching him get demolished. I don't think even HE had much thought he'd win.
I've no doubt the opposition is more energized now. But I think the Trump supporters are way more energized now than 2016.
Actually, if you phrase it that way, we probably were on the same page prior to the election in 2016. I was not paying close attention and almost everyone I knew thought it was a joke, too. But we are professional city folk. The Obama hating rurals came out in force. Their level of turnout was unexpected and is what ultimately tipped the election. This is just what I've read from recap articles. Apparently metro area voting was depressed while rural was higher. I believe minority voting was also down.Thanks. Everyone I'm sure remembers it differently and you likely pay way more attention than I do. With that said, I don't remember 2016 like that at all. I remember the jokes about how he didn't even want to run and it had been a practical joke gone wrong and it was going to be hilarious watching him get demolished. I don't think even HE had much thought he'd win.
I've no doubt the opposition is more energized now. But I think the Trump supporters are way more energized now than 2016.
I don't think that your observations are mutually exclusive to what FF Ninja observed. It's true that people joked about Trump and his chances to win in 2016, but I think it's also true that his base was 100% energized in 2016.Thanks. Everyone I'm sure remembers it differently and you likely pay way more attention than I do. With that said, I don't remember 2016 like that at all. I remember the jokes about how he didn't even want to run and it had been a practical joke gone wrong and it was going to be hilarious watching him get demolished. I don't think even HE had much thought he'd win.In 2016, his base was 100% energized. In 2020, his opposition is 100% energized.
I've no doubt the opposition is more energized now. But I think the Trump supporters are way more energized now than 2016.
Thanks.Trump supporters maybe but Hillary detractors were what got him elected, IMO. I think if Ninja changed his statement to change his base out for those against Hillary were 100% energized then I think he would be accurate. I think there's a decent number of those people will not vote for him again.
Thanks. We'll have to disagree there. I saw very little energy from Trump supporters. Most I know were resigned to defeat and low energy.I don't think that your observations are mutually exclusive to what FF Ninja observed. It's true that people joked about Trump and his chances to win in 2016, but I think it's also true that his base was 100% energized in 2016.
I know it's fun to call it Obama hate but I don't think that's accurate. I do agree there was a big rural vs city thing. I've linked this many times but this article sums up a ton of it. https://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/Actually, if you phrase it that way, we probably were on the same page prior to the election in 2016. I was not paying close attention and almost everyone I knew thought it was a joke, too. But we are professional city folk. The Obama hating rurals came out in force. Their level of turnout was unexpected and is what ultimately tipped the election. This is just what I've read from recap articles. Apparently metro area voting was depressed while rural was higher. I believe minority voting was also down.
I believe the people that voted for him are even more fired up than ever, but I don't expect their turnout to be that much higher. I do, however, expect youth, metro area, and minority voting turnout to spike in 2020. Additionally, his approval rating has dropped since the election and his disapproval rating has ballooned, lending credence to the idea that less people will be voting for him and more people will be voting against him.
The candidates or current Dems?Dems impeach, Republicans shut it down, Democrats offer zero tangible policy to improve people's lives, Trump wins again.
In this case, Vice President corruptionPresidential corruption is a real issue.
After his Tweets today attacking Yovanovitch a witness before Congress, in real time, while she is testifying in order to intimidate her, there is no doubt that he will be impeached. None. A fait accompliMuch better chance of him not being impeached than being removed. I hold out hope that Dems will come to their senses. Crazy I know.
No doubt??? I can't fathom someone who has watched the entire testimony so far that can conclude he deserves to be impeached. Have you watched?After his Tweets today attacking Yovanovitch a witness before Congress, in real time, while she is testifying in order to intimidate her, there is no doubt that he will be impeached. None. A fait accompli
These are good points, but there are a lot of moderates who disliked Hillary on a personal level but held their nose and voted for her. Those people aren't as likely to vote for Warren or Sanders.
I felt bad for not being able to fathom 60 million Americans in 2016. The fact that you can’t fathom nearly 200 million Americans makes me feel a little better.I can't fathom someone who has watched the entire testimony so far that can conclude he deserves to be impeached.
I watched and I saw his Tweet in real time while Yovanovitch was testifying, which is attempted witness intimidation and obstruction of justice, not to mention abuse of power.No doubt??? I can't fathom someone who has watched the entire testimony so far that can conclude he deserves to be impeached. Have you watched?
It's just another example of how polarized we are right now. Frankly, I'm surprised you're surprised.No doubt??? I can't fathom someone who has watched the entire testimony so far that can conclude he deserves to be impeached. Have you watched?
Yeah......ok. Still a nothing burger as no impeachable offense exists. Sorry.I watched and I saw his Tweet in real time while Yovanovitch was testifying, which is attempted witness intimidation and obstruction of justice, not to mention abuse of power.
If the Democrats had nothing else, they could impeach him just for his Tweets this morning.
It's over. He will be impeached. Will he removed from office by the Senate? Probably not, but the odds against him increased a bit today, based on his own actions.
Absolutely agree the nation is polarized. 2020 election will be intense.It's just another example of how polarized we are right now. Frankly, I'm surprised you're surprised.
What if she doesn't follow him on twitter...is is still harassment?I watched and I saw his Tweet in real time while Yovanovitch was testifying, which is attempted witness intimidation and obstruction of justice, not to mention abuse of power.
If the Democrats had nothing else, they could impeach him just for his Tweets this morning.
It's over. He will be impeached. Will he removed from office by the Senate? Probably not, but the odds against him increased a bit today, based on his own actions.