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WH considering $450k payouts to illegal immigrants separated at border (1 Viewer)

what numbers can you provide on how many illegals hit our border first year or Trump vs first year of Biden ?

c'mon man .... Trump's policies worked, the wall being constructed was helping, the border agents helping ... Biden has opened it wide

everyone knows it
This is a decades old problem that trump simply made worse.  This really isn't a secret.  Trump also wanted to shoot women and children in the legs and construct alligator moats. 😆 Obama's policies were real policies that worked better than trump and Obama deported more illegal immigrants.  And trump just left Joe one more his failures to clean up.  The guy promised Mexico would pay.  They didn't and laughed at us.  He stole that money from the US military to fund a wall that nobody wanted, didn't work and will never work.  It really is time to stop believing the lies of a failed steak-salesman who destroys everything he touches.

 
This is a decades old problem that trump simply made worse.  This really isn't a secret.  Trump also wanted to shoot women and children in the legs and construct alligator moats. 😆 Obama's policies were real policies that worked better than trump and Obama deported more illegal immigrants.  And trump just left Joe one more his failures to clean up.  The guy promised Mexico would pay.  They didn't and laughed at us.  He stole that money from the US military to fund a wall that nobody wanted, didn't work and will never work.  It really is time to stop believing the lies of a failed steak-salesman who destroys everything he touches.


Trump didn't want any of that - please

If Obama's policies worked, why did we still have illegals pouring into the USA?

Joe has caused all this by not acting, Trump acted (as did Obama) but not hard enough

Yes, many wanted the wall, STILL want the wall/border control ..........   enough that they're doing it themselves

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/09/16/texas-mexico-border-wall-contract/

so ... pretty much all your post is wrong

Biden did this

https://www.abqjournal.com/2354587/border-wall-comes-to-a-halt-in-southern-nm.html

Biden did this too

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/22/us/politics/border-crossings-immigration-record-high.html

https://www.voanews.com/a/us-arresting-far-fewer-undocumented-immigrants-under-biden/6288140.html

 
Trump didn't want any of that - please

If Obama's policies worked, why did we still have illegals pouring into the USA?

Joe has caused all this by not acting, Trump acted (as did Obama) but not hard enough

Yes, many wanted the wall, STILL want the wall/border control ..........   enough that they're doing it themselves

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/09/16/texas-mexico-border-wall-contract/

so ... pretty much all your post is wrong

Biden did this

https://www.abqjournal.com/2354587/border-wall-comes-to-a-halt-in-southern-nm.html

Biden did this too

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/22/us/politics/border-crossings-immigration-record-high.html

https://www.voanews.com/a/us-arresting-far-fewer-undocumented-immigrants-under-biden/6288140.html


You are clearly mistaken.  Really, it's OK to admit trump was a massive failure.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/01/us/politics/trump-border-wars.html

 
Trump didn't want any of that - please

If Obama's policies worked, why did we still have illegals pouring into the USA?

Joe has caused all this by not acting, Trump acted (as did Obama) but not hard enough

Yes, many wanted the wall, STILL want the wall/border control ..........   enough that they're doing it themselves

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/09/16/texas-mexico-border-wall-contract/

so ... pretty much all your post is wrong

Biden did this

https://www.abqjournal.com/2354587/border-wall-comes-to-a-halt-in-southern-nm.html

Biden did this too

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/22/us/politics/border-crossings-immigration-record-high.html

https://www.voanews.com/a/us-arresting-far-fewer-undocumented-immigrants-under-biden/6288140.html


BTW, trump's former campaign manager, Steve Bannon, ran a fraud foundation that stole money from people who thought they were funding a wall... 😆  It was all a scam.  All of it.  Really, we will be better off as a nation when people just admit they made a mistake in supporting a fraud and conman.  

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/leaders-we-build-wall-online-fundraising-campaign-charged-defrauding-hundreds-thousands

 
Is there anyway to spin this into a honest rebuttal of anything that I (or maybe even anyone else) has said?  


you said people go through horror's getting to the USA so they can enter illegally 

a flag waved by pro-illegals are the children - and they're right, and so are you

its unacceptable to support this system of cheap illegal labor that exists at the expense of all the horrors those people live through - its a humanitarian crisis and the Democrats have blown pure oxygen into it with their policies

more illegals than every before are being human trafficked and abused than every before under Biden .......... that we cannot all agree it needs to stop baffles me

that's honesty 

 
BTW, trump's former campaign manager, Steve Bannon, ran a fraud foundation that stole money from people who thought they were funding a wall... 😆  It was all a scam.  All of it.  Really, we will be better off as a nation when people just admit they made a mistake in supporting a fraud and conman.  

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/leaders-we-build-wall-online-fundraising-campaign-charged-defrauding-hundreds-thousands


if true, grill them

every country on the planet has immigration laws and controlled border except the USA - there is a reason for it

almost every rich person has walls/fences/borders around their homes to keep people from illegally being on it

the White House has walls, Biden is getting walls build around his personal property ..... walls / barriers add additional security and control 

its 100% irrefutable that walls/barriers aid in controlling illegal access to things

 
you said people go through horror's getting to the USA so they can enter illegally 

a flag waved by pro-illegals are the children - and they're right, and so are you

its unacceptable to support this system of cheap illegal labor that exists at the expense of all the horrors those people live through - its a humanitarian crisis and the Democrats have blown pure oxygen into it with their policies

more illegals than every before are being human trafficked and abused than every before under Biden .......... that we cannot all agree it needs to stop baffles me

that's honesty 
So let them in and stop creating road blocks to leave them vulnerable.  When the opportunity dries up the labor will seek out other places to migrate.

 
So let them in and stop creating road blocks to leave them vulnerable.  When the opportunity dries up the labor will seek out other places to migrate.
Why would it given that we plan to give them healthcare and education amongst many other things?  I've never been to El Salvador, for instance, but my guess would be that our healthcare and education for even our poorest citizens is better than it is there.  We need to allow some folks in with work visas in set amounts, I'm all for that.  But to allow it to just run to ground so to speak, would take things getting so bad here that our standard of living is no better than places such as El Salvador.  If it didn't get to that level why would they stop migrating?  

 
So let them in and stop creating road blocks to leave them vulnerable.  When the opportunity dries up the labor will seek out other places to migrate.


a controlled immigration, with the people vetted, criminal history know, immunizations etc .... that's what we do RIGHT NOW with what, 1-1.5 million a year? 

we are a VERY gracious country already - I'd say double that number might work but its only going to work for people who come here legally and wanting to be employed and contribute to their new country, becomes citizens, leave their allegiance to their home countries behind etc

no, they'll not seek other places because no other country allows illegals to park and stay - and we shouldn't allow it either

 
its a catastrophic failure right now - Trump was at least trying

every person who OD's on drugs coming across the southern border can partially blame Democrats and Biden for allowing those drugs 
:lmao:    I shouldn't be surprised to see you doubling down on this stuff.  

It's all personal choices..... until you can blame the libs for something! 

 
Why would it given that we plan to give them healthcare and education amongst many other things?  I've never been to El Salvador, for instance, but my guess would be that our healthcare and education for even our poorest citizens is better than it is there.  We need to allow some folks in with work visas in set amounts, I'm all for that.  But to allow it to just run to ground so to speak, would take things getting so bad here that our standard of living is no better than places such as El Salvador.  If it didn't get to that level why would they stop migrating?  
Can't we look at our 50 states as incubator here?  All 50 still have residents despite there being pretty big differences in standards of living including health care and education differences.  The masses moving to better places within the US doesn't really even things out.  Even when there are millions of illegal immigrants moving into those same places.

 
a controlled immigration, with the people vetted, criminal history know, immunizations etc .... that's what we do RIGHT NOW with what, 1-1.5 million a year? 

we are a VERY gracious country already - I'd say double that number might work but its only going to work for people who come here legally and wanting to be employed and contribute to their new country, becomes citizens, leave their allegiance to their home countries behind etc

no, they'll not seek other places because no other country allows illegals to park and stay - and we shouldn't allow it either
Why is 3 million maybe possibly okay, but not 5?  Or 10?  

And if we are checking them in to the country at the front door, then we don't need to worry the same way about "illegals".  We can all agree that with the occasional exception  to prove the rule we don't want any of them and thus they can be deported (or jailed) without any backlash.  So simple.  And it isn't about being "gracious" it is about stop being stupid! 

Stop pretending that those that decide  have the will and desire to slow the immigration with anything more that expensive, ineffective smoke and mirrors to give appearances that we do.  Whether for noble reasons or the worst of reasons the political and economic elite benefit from the current system despite what they tell you for your votes and/or dollars.  Lets pull the curtains back and protect these people.  We cannot do that with more sleight of hand of walls, and threats of mass deportation.  But we can (and I know we won't) do this with documenting their arrival and absent a particular reason let them walk through the front door rather than jumping fences and sneaking in through windows.  

 
:lmao:    I shouldn't be surprised to see you doubling down on this stuff.  

It's all personal choices..... until you can blame the libs for something! 


if you can't see the massive escalation in numbers - I don't know what to tell you .... I mean its clear, you can google record illegal numbers / Biden and get results in several seconds

Biden did that - not Trump and we can blame Trump for a lot of things - these we cannot

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/03/22/key-facts-about-u-s-immigration-policies-and-bidens-proposed-changes/

https://cmsny.org/biden-immigration-executive-actions/

resulting in

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57422618

US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) said it caught 180,034 migrants, mostly single adults, in May.

The number was up slightly from 178,854 in April and 172,000 in March.

It was the biggest monthly total since April 2000 with increasing numbers coming from outside Central America.

 
Why is 3 million maybe possibly okay, but not 5?  Or 10?  

And if we are checking them in to the country at the front door, then we don't need to worry the same way about "illegals".  We can all agree that with the occasional exception  to prove the rule we don't want any of them and thus they can be deported (or jailed) without any backlash.  So simple.  And it isn't about being "gracious" it is about stop being stupid! 

Stop pretending that those that decide  have the will and desire to slow the immigration with anything more that expensive, ineffective smoke and mirrors to give appearances that we do.  Whether for noble reasons or the worst of reasons the political and economic elite benefit from the current system despite what they tell you for your votes and/or dollars.  Lets pull the curtains back and protect these people.  We cannot do that with more sleight of hand of walls, and threats of mass deportation.  But we can (and I know we won't) do this with documenting their arrival and absent a particular reason let them walk through the front door rather than jumping fences and sneaking in through windows.  


where are you going to house 10 million annually? what are they going to wear? eat? medical care? they have language barriers, they are unskilled, untrained

sounds like you want a slave workforce man .... I mean it really does

 
if you can't see the massive escalation in numbers - I don't know what to tell you .... I mean its clear, you can google record illegal numbers / Biden and get results in several seconds

Biden did that - not Trump and we can blame Trump for a lot of things - these we cannot

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/03/22/key-facts-about-u-s-immigration-policies-and-bidens-proposed-changes/

https://cmsny.org/biden-immigration-executive-actions/

resulting in

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57422618

US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) said it caught 180,034 migrants, mostly single adults, in May.

The number was up slightly from 178,854 in April and 172,000 in March.

It was the biggest monthly total since April 2000 with increasing numbers coming from outside Central America.
0 clue what that has to do with you saying that we can blame Biden and dems for people ODing.   

Like I said - it's so many posts about personal responsibility with you.... until you want to blame the libs for something.  

 
Can't we look at our 50 states as incubator here?  All 50 still have residents despite there being pretty big differences in standards of living including health care and education differences.  The masses moving to better places within the US doesn't really even things out.  Even when there are millions of illegal immigrants moving into those same places.
I don't think there's as much difference in education and healthcare state to state as there is between anywhere in the US and say El Salvador or Guatemala.  I live in one of the poorer per capita states but yet we have a really strong medical/hospital system in our city.  Most importantly, our poor have very little differences state to state and are eligible for the same government benefits.  Consider what it means to be poor in the U.S., complete with safety net and the ones being discussed, then compare that to a Central American country.  We are talking wide chasms versus minor differences between our states.  There is a reason people are coming here.  Even if they are poor in the U.S., their standard of living is way better due to that.  We can't take on unlimited quantities of people into that system on the low end and maintain the same standard.  There are finite resources and why I have always favored a merit based immigration system.  And I don't mean that to suggest we don't take anyone on the low skilled end, we just have to control the numbers.

 
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0 clue what that has to do with you saying that we can blame Biden and dems for people ODing.   

Like I said - it's so many posts about personal responsibility with you.... until you want to blame the libs for something.  


now you are trolling and being argumentative just to be that way

if you cannot google what Joe has done with the border and illegals and match that with the record numbers coming across the border --- I mean it is what it is, your credibility goes to zero man. Seriously, I love your posts and views on things but intentionally ignoring what Biden and Democrats have done the last 9 months ?

 
if true, grill them

every country on the planet has immigration laws and controlled border except the USA - there is a reason for it

almost every rich person has walls/fences/borders around their homes to keep people from illegally being on it

the White House has walls, Biden is getting walls build around his personal property ..... walls / barriers add additional security and control 

its 100% irrefutable that walls/barriers aid in controlling illegal access to things
Yeah, but that's a mere 1/2 of the analysis. There's no way the cost of constructing a wall across our borders wouldn't outweigh the benefits of the wall. In other words, a wall is very likely cost-prohibitive when the benefits are factored in. 

 
Yeah, but that's a mere 1/2 of the analysis. There's no way the cost of constructing a wall across our borders wouldn't outweigh the benefits of the wall. In other words, a wall is very likely cost-prohibitive when the benefits are factored in. 


every negative that can be listed for illegals stops when the border is secure. A wall/barrier is but part of the equation, it'll have to be continually guarded with armed people ready to shoot. That's how bad the cartels have control right now on the border.

feels good doesn't it, knowing that we have leaders who've mostly ignored the problem and allowed the drug and human trafficking to continue so we can have cheap, illegal slave labor for some companies in the USA ?

we did that - as citizens - by not demanding a sealed border and a stop to the illegals coming here

its time to do something about it

 
every negative that can be listed for illegals stops when the border is secure. A wall/barrier is but part of the equation, it'll have to be continually guarded with armed people ready to shoot. That's how bad the cartels have control right now on the border.

feels good doesn't it, knowing that we have leaders who've mostly ignored the problem and allowed the drug and human trafficking to continue so we can have cheap, illegal slave labor for some companies in the USA ?

we did that - as citizens - by not demanding a sealed border and a stop to the illegals coming here

its time to do something about it
You're good with raising taxes as is almost certainly necessary to pay for a full wall with armed guards on our borders?

 
every negative that can be listed for illegals stops when the border is secure. A wall/barrier is but part of the equation, it'll have to be continually guarded with armed people ready to shoot. That's how bad the cartels have control right now on the border.
This is completely backwards.  

Imagine a graph.  On one end is a 99% secure border and on the other end is 100% open border.  Graphing the degree of these negatives will be at the highest at the secure border and then will slope down to some point where it will begin its way back up to the open border (but not as bad).  The negatives go away the more these people are not "illegals" at all and are known by the system.   They never go away of course, but the more these people are out in the open the less likely they are subject to slavery, the less likely they are in detention centers to be sexually assaulted, the less they need to subject themselves to the horrors of the journey brought on by those they are paying to get them here, the less likely they are silent victims of crime, the less likely they are driving around unlicensed, untrained, uninsured, the less likely they fail to report that some criminal including but not limited to those dealing with drugs, and on and on.  

The more the borders are closed. the more those that are here the more that they say quiet to the abuses that are inflicted on them.  The more they have to lose in reporting these abuses and becoming known to the system.  This is where the environment for abuse comes from.  To think otherwise is to just not to think at all.   Open borders are not as bad as there is the ability to safely report the abuses, but if we aren't documenting the entrants and welcoming them and informing them of their rights then there will be those still left vulnerable.   If the goal is to minimize these negatives  then we need to strive to know who these people are and give them every incentive to walk into the country where they are greeted and brought into the system such that there are no fears of being known by the system.

I don't think any of this is even debatable.    The argument is not here.  Its how many immigrants than the nation support without negatively impacting our standard of living, without destroying our social welfare systems, education, etc.  There are also concerns abut destroying our cultural identity, our values and these concerns quickly dissolve into uglier concerns which are sadly part of our collective cultural identity and values.  It is here where the desire to limit entry comes, and maybe we cannot just let the free labor market work itself out because the modern welfare state distorts the market just too much, but once you start imposing these limits you start creating the environment where these horrors become a greater part of the equation.   

Yes, liberals have a long history of supporting restrictive limits on immigration to protect jobs for Americans so they are too blame.  Historically free market conservative have not been so much in favor of restricting the influx of more labor, but the welfare state has resulted in a change here.  There is also some party reshuffling over the past fifty years in play which we can ignore the ugly parts and just assert that many more of those competing for the "unskilled", lower education requirement jobs are now republicans. Whether these groups have good reasons or not to limit immigration it is these policies that limit that result in these particular horrors.   Not the other way around!

 
its a catastrophic failure right now - Trump was at least trying

every person who OD's on drugs coming across the southern border can partially blame Democrats and Biden for allowing those drugs 


now you are trolling and being argumentative just to be that way

if you cannot google what Joe has done with the border and illegals and match that with the record numbers coming across the border --- I mean it is what it is, your credibility goes to zero man. Seriously, I love your posts and views on things but intentionally ignoring what Biden and Democrats have done the last 9 months ?


So now addressing other people's posts is trolling?  You are the one saying people ODing should blame Ds.  You are also somebody that posts about personal responsibility probably as much as anybody around here.   

As far a the the 2nd bolded - I highly doubt you do, because you never seem to be able to accurately portray my views on things.  I've asked multiple times in the gun thread with no answer, and now you post this.   So evidently you missed all my posts about the numbers, acknowledging them, criticizing Biden about leaping in without a plan, and I am pretty sure I even called it a #### show down there. ? 

 
now you are trolling and being argumentative just to be that way

if you cannot google what Joe has done with the border and illegals and match that with the record numbers coming across the border --- I mean it is what it is, your credibility goes to zero man. Seriously, I love your posts and views on things but intentionally ignoring what Biden and Democrats have done the last 9 months ?
nice work but a lot here won't admit the numbers & the failure of Biden regardless of how many links to facts you post.  it's like the numbers don't exist.  problem being the numbers don't lie.  now it's a matter of whether you accept them.  at least Timmy accepts them but likes them, unlike oh yea, it's Trumps fault or can't be on Biden. 

 
You're good with raising taxes as is almost certainly necessary to pay for a full wall with armed guards on our borders?
armed guards expense would decrease if we had a wall.  walls work.  now as far as the cost you mention, yea it's expensive.  maybe we could cancel some studies being done on some insect in the swamps in Pelosi's district or some of the other pork projects infused in just about every major bill.

 
armed guards expense would decrease if we had a wall.  walls work.  now as far as the cost you mention, yea it's expensive.  maybe we could cancel some studies being done on some insect in the swamps in Pelosi's district or some of the other pork projects infused in just about every major bill.
That's the opposite of what @Stealthycat said in the post I was responding to. 

He said, "A wall/barrier is but part of the equation, it'll have to be continually guarded with armed people ready to shoot."

 
nice work but a lot here won't admit the numbers & the failure of Biden regardless of how many links to facts you post.  it's like the numbers don't exist.  problem being the numbers don't lie.  now it's a matter of whether you accept them.  at least Timmy accepts them but likes them, unlike oh yea, it's Trumps fault or can't be on Biden. 
Who do you believe is not admitting the numbers are what they are?     I can't think of anybody.   

ETA:  you are replying to a post about me, and I have literally linked the numbers of encounters in the other thread.  

 
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So now addressing other people's posts is trolling?  You are the one saying people ODing should blame Ds.  You are also somebody that posts about personal responsibility probably as much as anybody around here.   

As far a the the 2nd bolded - I highly doubt you do, because you never seem to be able to accurately portray my views on things.  I've asked multiple times in the gun thread with no answer, and now you post this.   So evidently you missed all my posts about the numbers, acknowledging them, criticizing Biden about leaping in without a plan, and I am pretty sure I even called it a #### show down there. ? 


There is a partial responsibility yes when Biden/Democrats pass laws/remove laws to open the border and cartels move tons of drugs into the USA ... yes, there is a responsibility in that 

You seem to be arguing that Democrats bear no responsibility at all - 

 
That's the opposite of what @Stealthycat said in the post I was responding to. 

He said, "A wall/barrier is but part of the equation, it'll have to be continually guarded with armed people ready to shoot."


I think that's true - cartels will try and breach walls just like a determined criminal will break down/get around your locked doors if they really want to

 
Stealthycat said:
There is a partial responsibility yes when Biden/Democrats pass laws/remove laws to open the border and cartels move tons of drugs into the USA ... yes, there is a responsibility in that 

You seem to be arguing that Democrats bear no responsibility at all - 
Responsibility for people wanting to do drugs, buying drugs, and ODing?  No

Do our policies effect what types of drugs might be coming across or how much?  Sure.  

I will remember this back and forth when you roll out the personal responsibility is everything type posts in the guns and race threads though.  

 
I think this is what he was getting at LINK:

Misconception 2: “Building a wall would greatly reduce heroin, methamphetamine, cocaine, and fentanyl trafficking.”

Proponents of a border wall often claim that it would help the United States solve its opioid addiction problem by blocking heroin smugglers from Mexico. This reveals a misunderstanding of how cross-border smuggling works.

The vast majority of the drug that enters from Mexico does so through “ports of entry”—the 48 official land crossings through which millions of people, vehicles, and cargo pass every day. “Heroin seizures almost predominantly are through the port of entry and either carried in a concealed part of a vehicle or carried by an individual,” then-U.S. Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Gil Kerlikowske told a congressional committee last year. “We don’t get much heroin seized by Border Patrol coming through, I think just because there are a lot of risks to the smugglers and the difficulty of trying to smuggle it through,” he said.

“The most common method employed by Mexican TCOs [Transnational Criminal Organizations] involves transporting drugs in vehicles through U.S. ports of entry (POEs),” the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) reported in its 2016 National Drug Threat Assessment. “Illicit drugs are smuggled into the United States in concealed compartments within passenger vehicles or commingled with legitimate goods on tractor trailers,” according to the document.

Heroin is small in volume. “It’s a relatively small amount—40-50 tons, we think—of heroin that feeds the heroin epidemic in the United States,” Gen. John Kelly, then the commander of U.S. Southern Command, told a Senate committee in 2015. The amount has probably increased somewhat today, but still takes up little space: all the heroin consumed in the United States in an entire year could probably fit into two 40-foot shipping containers.

Now, imagine the contents of those containers broken up into tiny amounts and scattered across vehicles, luggage, and cargo shipments and sent through 48 land crossings, plus airports, over the course of 365 days. The difficulty explains why in 2015, the DEA reported that U.S. authorities managed to seize 6.8 tons of heroin, an amount equal to perhaps one-seventh of Gen. Kelly’s demand estimate.

The dynamic is similar for other compact-volume drugs like cocaine, methamphetamine, and fentanyl, which are overwhelmingly seized at ports of entry. Cannabis, which is larger and bulkier, appears to be trafficked more frequently in the areas between the ports.

With a small, compact, and expensive product, and a six-sevenths chance of avoiding detection and seizure, it’s unsurprising that most heroin smugglers don’t bother to transport it between the ports of entry, in the sparsely populated or wilderness zones where proposed border fencing might be built.

 
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That's the opposite of what @Stealthycat said in the post I was responding to. 

He said, "A wall/barrier is but part of the equation, it'll have to be continually guarded with armed people ready to shoot."
you still need armed guards.  not as many with a wall.

 
Okay. How do you propose we pay for both a wall and armed guards? Do we need to generate greater tax revenue?


We can start by redirecting that 450K Biden wants to give ILLEGAL immigrants and put it towards walls and guards.  ;)

 
Okay. How do you propose we pay for both a wall and armed guards? Do we need to generate greater tax revenue?
Well we can build the wall for a lot less if we used illegal immigrants for the labor.  Might even be cost effective to use them for the guards.

 
Okay. How do you propose we pay for both a wall and armed guards? Do we need to generate greater tax revenue?
of course.  US spends a ton & if government looked at the main priorities of Americans the tax revenue would certainly not be going to all these pet pork projects that our elected officials dream up.

 
of course.  US spends a ton & if government looked at the main priorities of Americans the tax revenue would certainly not be going to all these pet pork projects that our elected officials dream up.
Which ones are these?

 
This is a decades old problem that trump simply made worse.  This really isn't a secret.  Trump also wanted to shoot women and children in the legs and construct alligator moats. 😆 Obama's policies were real policies that worked better than trump and Obama deported more illegal immigrants.  And trump just left Joe one more his failures to clean up.  The guy promised Mexico would pay.  They didn't and laughed at us.  He stole that money from the US military to fund a wall that nobody wanted, didn't work and will never work.  It really is time to stop believing the lies of a failed steak-salesman who destroys everything he touches.




Rook..What SN were you banned under?  PM if you want.

 
Responsibility for people wanting to do drugs, buying drugs, and ODing?  No

Do our policies effect what types of drugs might be coming across or how much?  Sure.  

I will remember this back and forth when you roll out the personal responsibility is everything type posts in the guns and race threads though.  


remember it well

if Republican's allow illegal guns to be shipped into the USA by the tens of millions yes, there is a responsibility in that isn't there? if they allow illegal anything I'd think yes, I'd have to agree there is a partial responsibility

I try to be consistent - do you ?

 
Okay. How do you propose we pay for both a wall and armed guards? Do we need to generate greater tax revenue?


um, we have a US military, let them do exercises all along the border

but the best solution is hit Mexico hard - they need to stop allowing the human trafficking - sanction them, travel ban them, withdraw from every trade agreement, lock every financial transaction that goes from US to Mexico ... force them to stop it

 
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This is a decades old problem that trump simply made worse.  This really isn't a secret.  Trump also wanted to shoot women and children in the legs and construct alligator moats. 😆 Obama's policies were real policies that worked better than trump and Obama deported more illegal immigrants.  And trump just left Joe one more his failures to clean up.  The guy promised Mexico would pay.  They didn't and laughed at us.  He stole that money from the US military to fund a wall that nobody wanted, didn't work and will never work.  It really is time to stop believing the lies of a failed steak-salesman who destroys everything he touches.
sure hope you were impaired when you posted this.  link to the "Trump also wanted to shoot women and children in the legs"??

 
if true, grill them

every country on the planet has immigration laws and controlled border except the USA - there is a reason for it

almost every rich person has walls/fences/borders around their homes to keep people from illegally being on it

the White House has walls, Biden is getting walls build around his personal property ..... walls / barriers add additional security and control 

its 100% irrefutable that walls/barriers aid in controlling illegal access to things


That's a great idea. I am glad the feds are prosecuting Bannon. Whatever happened to that prosecution?

Oh wait...

 

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