+1They are very similar runners, but I personally think Richardson is better than Ingram.Wouldnt be surprised at all if he's drafted a lot higher than Ingram.
Without a doubt this wont be one of his best performances of the season, but man he is scary gifted."I can't define porn, but I know it when I see it"I didnt think he had that great of a game personally and I'd a Bama homer. Lacy was more impressive to me.
I was thinking the same thing. This was Kent State for crying out loud and he should have run for 150 to go with those 3 tds. I'm super high on the guy but this was not a "wow" game.he had 13 carries for 37 yards and a 2.8 ypc... SUPER.... what was so good about that????? he had a few 1 yard tds??? I mean I think the kid will be good to but he didn't do jack in that game
exactly... I was disappointed looking at the box score after a thread was started up saying WOW Trent richardson, I thought he had 200 yards and 5 tds or something... please don't wow me for 30 yards hahaI was thinking the same thing. This was Kent State for crying out loud and he should have run for 150 to go with those 3 tds. I'm super high on the guy but this was not a "wow" game.he had 13 carries for 37 yards and a 2.8 ypc... SUPER.... what was so good about that????? he had a few 1 yard tds??? I mean I think the kid will be good to but he didn't do jack in that game
Richardson is closer to Jstew than IngramI was thinking the same thing. This was Kent State for crying out loud and he should have run for 150 to go with those 3 tds. I'm super high on the guy but this was not a "wow" game.he had 13 carries for 37 yards and a 2.8 ypc... SUPER.... what was so good about that????? he had a few 1 yard tds??? I mean I think the kid will be good to but he didn't do jack in that game
Well duh. He's the best pro RB prospect since AP. Easily.They are very similar runners, but I personally think Richardson is better than Ingram.Wouldnt be surprised at all if he's drafted a lot higher than Ingram.
I've been studying Richardson today for the 2012 RSP. The game is from last year, but I was just coming here to write that while I like Richardson, I don't think he has shown the vision Ingram has thus far. I think Richardson is more of brutal, physical force with burst and moves who is not quite as refined as Ingram was in 2010. We'll see what 2011 has in store. I really like what I see, but I have to agree with Football Jones that I still like Ingram more at this point - though I have watched a lot more of Ingram than I have of Richardson.Don't blast me, LOL, but Richardson is somewhat overrated, IMO. While I don't put much stock in timed speed, he's not as fast as advertised. He also doesn't have the vision and natural running ability of Ingram. I never understood why most people have Richardson rated over Ingram, but I realize we all see different things.
I agree Matt. Richardson lacks football instincts and a "feel" for the game. LaMichael James has a good feel for the game, by comparison.I've been studying Richardson today for the 2012 RSP. The game is from last year, but I was just coming here to write that while I like Richardson, I don't think he has shown the vision Ingram has thus far. I think Richardson is more of brutal, physical force with burst and moves who is not quite as refined as Ingram was in 2010. We'll see what 2011 has in store. I really like what I see, but I have to agree with Football Jones that I still like Ingram more at this point - though I have watched a lot more of Ingram than I have of Richardson.Don't blast me, LOL, but Richardson is somewhat overrated, IMO. While I don't put much stock in timed speed, he's not as fast as advertised. He also doesn't have the vision and natural running ability of Ingram. I never understood why most people have Richardson rated over Ingram, but I realize we all see different things.
Athletically, he's top-notch. Maybe not super fast, but fast enough for sure. I thought he had a chance to be better than Ingram when I saw him two years ago. However, I will stay that his patience and skill at setting up defenders isn't as good as Ingram's. Again, I really like him and his physical skills and determined style is exciting. I just think Ingram is better conceptually. Nit picking though. I'd be happy with either player in my fantasy lineup. Real happy.Actually haven't watched his carries from today yet. But I youtubed it up and got a lot of his 2010 carries, and I see something special.
Richardson lacks football instincts is laughable. If he lacked football instincts, he wouldnt be the starting RB for 1 of the best teams in the country. There is middle ground between having elite vision like Ingram and not having football instincts, ya know.I agree Matt. Richardson lacks football instincts and a "feel" for the game. LaMichael James has a good feel for the game, by comparison.I've been studying Richardson today for the 2012 RSP. The game is from last year, but I was just coming here to write that while I like Richardson, I don't think he has shown the vision Ingram has thus far. I think Richardson is more of brutal, physical force with burst and moves who is not quite as refined as Ingram was in 2010. We'll see what 2011 has in store. I really like what I see, but I have to agree with Football Jones that I still like Ingram more at this point - though I have watched a lot more of Ingram than I have of Richardson.Don't blast me, LOL, but Richardson is somewhat overrated, IMO. While I don't put much stock in timed speed, he's not as fast as advertised. He also doesn't have the vision and natural running ability of Ingram. I never understood why most people have Richardson rated over Ingram, but I realize we all see different things.
Well when he has great physical tools and averages 2.8 YPC vs Kent State, I think my theory carries a bit more weight.Richardson lacks football instincts is laughable. If he lacked football instincts, he wouldnt be the starting RB for 1 of the best teams in the country. There is middle ground between having elite vision like Ingram and not having football instincts, ya know.I agree Matt. Richardson lacks football instincts and a "feel" for the game. LaMichael James has a good feel for the game, by comparison.I've been studying Richardson today for the 2012 RSP. The game is from last year, but I was just coming here to write that while I like Richardson, I don't think he has shown the vision Ingram has thus far. I think Richardson is more of brutal, physical force with burst and moves who is not quite as refined as Ingram was in 2010. We'll see what 2011 has in store. I really like what I see, but I have to agree with Football Jones that I still like Ingram more at this point - though I have watched a lot more of Ingram than I have of Richardson.Don't blast me, LOL, but Richardson is somewhat overrated, IMO. While I don't put much stock in timed speed, he's not as fast as advertised. He also doesn't have the vision and natural running ability of Ingram. I never understood why most people have Richardson rated over Ingram, but I realize we all see different things.
Its one game dude Not to mention a game where they dont even know who their QB was as they played a freshman and a sophomore. Im guessing when Richardson was back there, the D knew where the biggest threat was. Also, FF wise, he put up 23.3pts in the game today.Well when he has great physical tools and averages 2.8 YPC vs Kent State, I think my theory carries a bit more weight.Richardson lacks football instincts is laughable. If he lacked football instincts, he wouldnt be the starting RB for 1 of the best teams in the country. There is middle ground between having elite vision like Ingram and not having football instincts, ya know.I agree Matt. Richardson lacks football instincts and a "feel" for the game. LaMichael James has a good feel for the game, by comparison.I've been studying Richardson today for the 2012 RSP. The game is from last year, but I was just coming here to write that while I like Richardson, I don't think he has shown the vision Ingram has thus far. I think Richardson is more of brutal, physical force with burst and moves who is not quite as refined as Ingram was in 2010. We'll see what 2011 has in store. I really like what I see, but I have to agree with Football Jones that I still like Ingram more at this point - though I have watched a lot more of Ingram than I have of Richardson.Don't blast me, LOL, but Richardson is somewhat overrated, IMO. While I don't put much stock in timed speed, he's not as fast as advertised. He also doesn't have the vision and natural running ability of Ingram. I never understood why most people have Richardson rated over Ingram, but I realize we all see different things.
i wouldn't be surprised if eddie lacy ends up having a better season than richardson.
It's based off of much more than one game, his entire career. His best collegiate run had a bunch of defenders bounce off of him, due to physical ability. Not cutting/instincts/vision/etc.FF points, getting desperate now...Its one game dude Not to mention a game where they dont even know who their QB was as they played a freshman and a sophomore. Im guessing when Richardson was back there, the D knew where the biggest threat was. Also, FF wise, he put up 23.3pts in the game today.Well when he has great physical tools and averages 2.8 YPC vs Kent State, I think my theory carries a bit more weight.Richardson lacks football instincts is laughable. If he lacked football instincts, he wouldnt be the starting RB for 1 of the best teams in the country. There is middle ground between having elite vision like Ingram and not having football instincts, ya know.I agree Matt. Richardson lacks football instincts and a "feel" for the game. LaMichael James has a good feel for the game, by comparison.I've been studying Richardson today for the 2012 RSP. The game is from last year, but I was just coming here to write that while I like Richardson, I don't think he has shown the vision Ingram has thus far. I think Richardson is more of brutal, physical force with burst and moves who is not quite as refined as Ingram was in 2010. We'll see what 2011 has in store. I really like what I see, but I have to agree with Football Jones that I still like Ingram more at this point - though I have watched a lot more of Ingram than I have of Richardson.Don't blast me, LOL, but Richardson is somewhat overrated, IMO. While I don't put much stock in timed speed, he's not as fast as advertised. He also doesn't have the vision and natural running ability of Ingram. I never understood why most people have Richardson rated over Ingram, but I realize we all see different things.
IMO, watching Youtube highlights is a terrible way to evaluate a player. Only highlights end up on Youtube and for a RB, a TON of those highlights are of them running through gaping holes. You never see the carries where a guy gets stuffed, runs through the wrong hole, is too impatient and runs into his blocker, etc. You can get an idea of how athletic a guy is and what kind of moves he has, but you're never really going to get a complete picture on how good of a football player he is.Actually haven't watched his carries from today yet. But I youtubed it up and got a lot of his 2010 carries, and I see something special.
You are interested in how he can impact your FF team in the pros, no? TDs are important last time I checked. Why else would you really be interested outside of your NFL team potentially drafting him?Last year he averaged 6.3yds/rush while Ingram averaged 5.5yds/rush. I guess his physical ability must be off the charts since he has to make up for his lack of instincts, vision, and cutting to let him still have a better rushing average by almost 1yd over a heisman winner and first round pick.It's based off of much more than one game, his entire career. His best collegiate run had a bunch of defenders bounce off of him, due to physical ability. Not cutting/instincts/vision/etc.FF points, getting desperate now...Its one game dude Not to mention a game where they dont even know who their QB was as they played a freshman and a sophomore. Im guessing when Richardson was back there, the D knew where the biggest threat was. Also, FF wise, he put up 23.3pts in the game today.Well when he has great physical tools and averages 2.8 YPC vs Kent State, I think my theory carries a bit more weight.Richardson lacks football instincts is laughable. If he lacked football instincts, he wouldnt be the starting RB for 1 of the best teams in the country. There is middle ground between having elite vision like Ingram and not having football instincts, ya know.I agree Matt. Richardson lacks football instincts and a "feel" for the game. LaMichael James has a good feel for the game, by comparison.I've been studying Richardson today for the 2012 RSP. The game is from last year, but I was just coming here to write that while I like Richardson, I don't think he has shown the vision Ingram has thus far. I think Richardson is more of brutal, physical force with burst and moves who is not quite as refined as Ingram was in 2010. We'll see what 2011 has in store. I really like what I see, but I have to agree with Football Jones that I still like Ingram more at this point - though I have watched a lot more of Ingram than I have of Richardson.Don't blast me, LOL, but Richardson is somewhat overrated, IMO. While I don't put much stock in timed speed, he's not as fast as advertised. He also doesn't have the vision and natural running ability of Ingram. I never understood why most people have Richardson rated over Ingram, but I realize we all see different things.
I think it really depends on the position. I think you CAN get an accurate understanding of a RB prospect based almost completely on highlights. WRs...to a lesser extent. QBs...almost not at all. I think this is a reflection of the degree to which success at these positions depends on physical ability, which is readily apparent in highlight videos. Succeeding as an NFL RB is mostly a matter of having the right athletic qualities. Succeeding as a quarterback is mostly about mental intangibles. The former is easy to detect in highlight videos. The latter isn't. I don't agree that RB highlight videos are useless just because a lot of the runs show a player running through gaping holes. When you see highlight tapes of guys like Dion Lewis and Trent Richardson, you see them "earn" lots of yards in tough situations where most RBs would have been tackled. That's one of the main things I look for. Can a RB make a man miss? Can he get second chance yards after contact? Highlights of guys like Shonn Greene and Ray Rice are full of these moments that demonstrate their special skills. Highlight tapes of mediocre players don't have those moments because mediocre players aren't capable of generating them. Nevermind the fact that a simple highlight video can give you a great understanding of how well built a player is and how well he moves, which are important considerations when gauging pro potential.IMO, watching Youtube highlights is a terrible way to evaluate a player. Only highlights end up on Youtube and for a RB, a TON of those highlights are of them running through gaping holes. You never see the carries where a guy gets stuffed, runs through the wrong hole, is too impatient and runs into his blocker, etc. You can get an idea of how athletic a guy is and what kind of moves he has, but you're never really going to get a complete picture on how good of a football player he is.Actually haven't watched his carries from today yet. But I youtubed it up and got a lot of his 2010 carries, and I see something special.
Is now a good time to bring up the knee injury that Ingram played with for most of the year last year?You are interested in how he can impact your FF team in the pros, no? TDs are important last time I checked. Why else would you really be interested outside of your NFL team potentially drafting him?Last year he averaged 6.3yds/rush while Ingram averaged 5.5yds/rush. I guess his physical ability must be off the charts since he has to make up for his lack of instincts, vision, and cutting to let him still have a better rushing average by almost 1yd over a heisman winner and first round pick.It's based off of much more than one game, his entire career. His best collegiate run had a bunch of defenders bounce off of him, due to physical ability. Not cutting/instincts/vision/etc.FF points, getting desperate now...Its one game dude Not to mention a game where they dont even know who their QB was as they played a freshman and a sophomore. Im guessing when Richardson was back there, the D knew where the biggest threat was. Also, FF wise, he put up 23.3pts in the game today.Well when he has great physical tools and averages 2.8 YPC vs Kent State, I think my theory carries a bit more weight.Richardson lacks football instincts is laughable. If he lacked football instincts, he wouldnt be the starting RB for 1 of the best teams in the country. There is middle ground between having elite vision like Ingram and not having football instincts, ya know.I agree Matt. Richardson lacks football instincts and a "feel" for the game. LaMichael James has a good feel for the game, by comparison.I've been studying Richardson today for the 2012 RSP. The game is from last year, but I was just coming here to write that while I like Richardson, I don't think he has shown the vision Ingram has thus far. I think Richardson is more of brutal, physical force with burst and moves who is not quite as refined as Ingram was in 2010. We'll see what 2011 has in store. I really like what I see, but I have to agree with Football Jones that I still like Ingram more at this point - though I have watched a lot more of Ingram than I have of Richardson.Don't blast me, LOL, but Richardson is somewhat overrated, IMO. While I don't put much stock in timed speed, he's not as fast as advertised. He also doesn't have the vision and natural running ability of Ingram. I never understood why most people have Richardson rated over Ingram, but I realize we all see different things.
That's why I don't watch highlights. I watch things like this.I think it really depends on the position. I think you CAN get an accurate understanding of a RB prospect based almost completely on highlights. WRs...to a lesser extent. QBs...almost not at all. I think this is a reflection of the degree to which success at these positions depends on physical ability, which is readily apparent in highlight videos. Succeeding as an NFL RB is mostly a matter of having the right athletic qualities. Succeeding as a quarterback is mostly about mental intangibles. The former is easy to detect in highlight videos. The latter isn't.IMO, watching Youtube highlights is a terrible way to evaluate a player. Only highlights end up on Youtube and for a RB, a TON of those highlights are of them running through gaping holes. You never see the carries where a guy gets stuffed, runs through the wrong hole, is too impatient and runs into his blocker, etc. You can get an idea of how athletic a guy is and what kind of moves he has, but you're never really going to get a complete picture on how good of a football player he is.Actually haven't watched his carries from today yet. But I youtubed it up and got a lot of his 2010 carries, and I see something special.
I don't agree that RB highlight videos are useless just because a lot of the runs show a player running through gaping holes. When you see highlight tapes of guys like Dion Lewis and Trent Richardson, you see them "earn" lots of yards in tough situations where most RBs would have been tackled. That's one of the main things I look for. Can a RB make a man miss? Can he get second chance yards after contact? Highlights of guys like Shonn Greene and Ray Rice are full of these moments that demonstrate their special skills. Highlight tapes of mediocre players don't have those moments because mediocre players aren't capable of generating them. Nevermind the fact that a simple highlight video can give you a great understanding of how well built a player is and how well he moves, which are important considerations when gauging pro potential.
Didnt know that, makes me feel even better about Richardson vs these overreactors.Lets keep one thing in mind. Kent State had a top ten defense last year. http://www.cfbstats.com/2010/leader/national/team/defense/split01/category10/sort01.html This wasnt like VA Tech playing Appalachian State today. I think that guy Kent State has Nix is going to be a damn good NFL player. He was in the backfield all day against a very good O line.
Richardson should not be mentioned in the same sentence with.Adrian Peterson. Gets taken down by arm tackles way too much to be elite.Well duh. He's the best pro RB prospect since AP. Easily.They are very similar runners, but I personally think Richardson is better than Ingram.Wouldnt be surprised at all if he's drafted a lot higher than Ingram.
Maybe you guys don't follow college football much, but stats like that are about as meaningless as stats can be in the world of college football.There's a reason that half of that top 10 list was filled with teams who played either in mid-major conferences or the Big East. Those team yardage numbers in college football are as affected by the vast scheduling disparities as they are actual ability.Didnt know that, makes me feel even better about Richardson vs these overreactors.Lets keep one thing in mind. Kent State had a top ten defense last year. http://www.cfbstats.com/2010/leader/national/team/defense/split01/category10/sort01.html This wasnt like VA Tech playing Appalachian State today. I think that guy Kent State has Nix is going to be a damn good NFL player. He was in the backfield all day against a very good O line.
Marcus Lattimoregranted it was against ECU but23 for 112 rushing3 for 33 rec3 TDsimo, rb of the day today should be marcus lattimore. that kid will be something special. don't get me wrong i like richardson, but imo lattimore is the better back. he can (and likely will be) a bellcow in the NFL someday, a complete back who gets better as the game goes on. he should definitely be in the running for heisman this season.ETA: eddie lacy looked better than richardson today imo.
totally agree here, besides there is the senior effect as well.Maybe you guys don't follow college football much, but stats like that are about as meaningless as stats can be in the world of college football.
Thank you I can't believe some of the stuff I read on here.. You know what guys, I value these boards and there are a lot of good people who know football and want to learn more and get more knowledge on the game, but some of the comments Im reading here makes me worry, and wonder if I should renew sub.. Highlight vids are great tools to scout a player and see how he moves, runs in between tackles, in space, and generally get a good idea of how the player looks, plays the game and does things. What do you think Scouts look at, maybe more game tape but you can find highlights with Highs/lows of a player all over youtube or highlights with 10-12 minutes of runs. Im sure the player being watched didn't have 10 minutes of running through gaping holes, and you can sort of get an idea of how he looks.. Just seems like common sense to me, I don't know why someone would want to bash a person for looking at Highlight vids. I found a ton of players watching Highschool, college preseason nfl highlight tapes... don't give me thatI think it really depends on the position. I think you CAN get an accurate understanding of a RB prospect based almost completely on highlights. WRs...to a lesser extent. QBs...almost not at all. I think this is a reflection of the degree to which success at these positions depends on physical ability, which is readily apparent in highlight videos. Succeeding as an NFL RB is mostly a matter of having the right athletic qualities. Succeeding as a quarterback is mostly about mental intangibles. The former is easy to detect in highlight videos. The latter isn't. I don't agree that RB highlight videos are useless just because a lot of the runs show a player running through gaping holes. When you see highlight tapes of guys like Dion Lewis and Trent Richardson, you see them "earn" lots of yards in tough situations where most RBs would have been tackled. That's one of the main things I look for. Can a RB make a man miss? Can he get second chance yards after contact? Highlights of guys like Shonn Greene and Ray Rice are full of these moments that demonstrate their special skills. Highlight tapes of mediocre players don't have those moments because mediocre players aren't capable of generating them. Nevermind the fact that a simple highlight video can give you a great understanding of how well built a player is and how well he moves, which are important considerations when gauging pro potential.IMO, watching Youtube highlights is a terrible way to evaluate a player. Only highlights end up on Youtube and for a RB, a TON of those highlights are of them running through gaping holes. You never see the carries where a guy gets stuffed, runs through the wrong hole, is too impatient and runs into his blocker, etc. You can get an idea of how athletic a guy is and what kind of moves he has, but you're never really going to get a complete picture on how good of a football player he is.Actually haven't watched his carries from today yet. But I youtubed it up and got a lot of his 2010 carries, and I see something special.
I like Knile Davis also but he just had a serious injury :(I like Lattimore,dyer,richardson, Kniles davis, lamichael james as all studs coming out.
Agreed. He is a talent but starting a thread gushing about him after that game? okie dokie.he had 13 carries for 37 yards and a 2.8 ypc... SUPER.... what was so good about that????? he had a few 1 yard tds??? I mean I think the kid will be good to but he didn't do jack in that game
Well, its still kind of close thru 7 games Richardson: 912 rush yards, 15 TDsLacy:419 rush yards, 5 TDsYeah, Richardson really looks like he lacks NFL caliber vision, cutting, etc. Lots of crow should be eaten in here, and I hope the haters remain next year so I can draft him come August.i wouldn't be surprised if eddie lacy ends up having a better season than richardson.