omally
Footballguy
Davis has always been a class act on and off the field. Some of his interview today was mentioned in an above post by simey, and here is more of it:
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****The 2019 Carolina Panthers Thread**** We Rhule At Losing (1 Viewer)
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omally
Footballguy
I don't mind him taking over for the season as an interim to help out. That being said, I don't want him to be retained after the season. Been there done that.
NCCommish
Footballguy
Just going off the reporting that is even coming in from Panthers official media.People are going to believe what they want to anyway, aren't they? You mentioned a fan backlash if Hurney is brought back as an interim GM. If he is, I hope that fans aren't petty enough to not show up for games. If those type of fans don't show up, they will if the cats start winning games. My mom and dad will show up no matter who is GM.
omally
Footballguy
What is with all the drama? Hurney may be brought in as an interim. Interim. When he was the GM, Richardson is the one who gave him the ok on everything he did. Remember when DeAngelo said during the collective bargaining agreement that Jerry told him he would take care of him with a new contract? Hurney is the one who gave him the big contract, but Jerry is the one who was behind it. Another thing, Jerry has never been a fire happy owner. Do you think it is professional for him to announce to the media why he fired Gettleman? Is it everyone's business? The press and others are guessing at what happened, especially because of the bad timing. None of them know the real reason(s).
omally
Footballguy
Felt? You don't feel like the team is a better roster anymore because the GM was fired? Are Chief fans freaking out too, because their GM also recently got canned unexpectantly.
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spider321
Footballguy
Gettleman is a tough negotiator who wants to be able to put the best product on the field by giving the big $/long term contracts to players whose best Sundays are in front of them.
Richardson and Hurney want to be Mr. Nice Guys by giving big $/long extentions to old guys whose best Sundays are in the past.
It's not a coincidence that the Patriots trade the vast majority of their big name older players the year before their contracts expire.
With a hard salary cap, it is not possible for an NFL team to consistently put a winning product on the field while also paying for past production.
Richardson and Hurney want to be Mr. Nice Guys by giving big $/long extentions to old guys whose best Sundays are in the past.
It's not a coincidence that the Patriots trade the vast majority of their big name older players the year before their contracts expire.
With a hard salary cap, it is not possible for an NFL team to consistently put a winning product on the field while also paying for past production.
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pantherclub
Footballguy
Not with the locker room division and they still have to go through camp and the cuts and pick ups. Dg had a plan for this team which hurney wont see.
Hurney is being brought in to draw up contracts. You are blind if you dont see that.
pantherclub
Footballguy
omally
Footballguy
What locker room division? According to Panther beat writers, Gettleman was causing tension in the locker room.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Read ohers statement
omally
Footballguy
I hardly call what he said a division in the locker room. Also, Oher said that Gettleman and RV are the only ones that constantly checked on his well being, but Thomas Davis said he contacted Oher 6 different times, and Oher would never respond back. Based on Oher's concussion that cost him most of last season, I think he should retire.
NCCommish
Footballguy
GMs aren't everyone's buddy. They can't be if you want to maintain your ability to keep a winning team. If Gettleman had given Norman everything he wanted someone else wouldn't get paid. The GM has to look to keeping the best 52 not just one. Hard salary cap means everyone doesn't get what they want the second they want it.
spider321
Footballguy
Exactly.
We are going to have the happiest bunch of well-paid, 40 year-old losers in the league in a few years!
YAY!!!!
Noah Davis
Footballguy
Whoa - I never said I agreed with the decision to let DG go. To me it seems like a decision based on emotion which typically doesn't move a team in the right direction. I would have preferred to extend TD on a year by year deal. The wall is coming and father time is undefeated. We need to get Shaq in the lineup.
simey
Footballguy
NCCommish
Footballguy
You do remember where this brain trust had us before right? Overpaying a few guys with little depth and no cap room.
The Commish
Footballguy
Seriously guys....I've been gone for less than a month and all hell breaks loose!!! What the heck is going on up there?!?!
If what I'm reading in this thread is true, it further entrenches my beliefs about Richardson that I was mocked for during the Hurney days. What GM worth their salt comes here with this obvious attitude of Richardson's? This really sucks.
If what I'm reading in this thread is true, it further entrenches my beliefs about Richardson that I was mocked for during the Hurney days. What GM worth their salt comes here with this obvious attitude of Richardson's? This really sucks.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Was really surprised by this firing. The Panthers seemed to be following the Patriot mold of building a talented roster by letting guys go a year too early rather than overpay and 3 years too late.
spider321
Footballguy
We were following the Patriot mold of making smart decisions.
Unfortunately, our owner decided that wasn't nice enough.
The Commish
Footballguy
This is a joke right? Are we on an elaborate episode of Punk'd?
BassNBrew
Footballguy
simey
Footballguy
Huh? MyYou do remember where this brain trust had us before right? Overpaying a few guys with little depth and no cap room.
was in regard to spider referring to the players as 40 year old losers.
simey
Footballguy
Nobody knows what is true to why Jerry let Gettleman go. People are throwing out assumptions.
spider321
Footballguy
simey doesn't understand that Hurney as GM means overpaying for past production, and trading 2nd and 3rd round draft picks to move up and grab nobodies, @The Commish.Huh? My
You may have to spell it out for him.
The Commish
Footballguy
Let me try this way....can someone give me a plausible (if not logical) scenario here which has Richardson firing DG and rehiring Hurney?
stratocatter
Footballguy
As far as Hurney and JR and contracts in the immediate future we'll probably pay Davis a few million extra and pay for Greg's brother's attorney fees but the world will not end because of it.
People act like Gettleman was solely responsible for every success and we are gonna now suck. We can still have a good year. As long as Matt Kalil works out and the rest of Gettleman's draft picks like Funchess, Benjamin, and the new guys contribute, we will be pretty good. If they don't people probably aren't such Gettleman fans any more anyhow. I haven't been for a while and his handling of the Norman situation was a major screwup. And I am not one that thought we should have given him a big contract. If Gettleman was unapologetic, he may have been on shaky ground. He would be with me.
With his firing, I bet it is as simple as a straw that broke the camel's back. Whatever the specific issue, it's very likely Gettleman told JR as long as he was in charge yada yada, and JR said that's enough for me okay you are no longer in charge.
If Hurney is here to run the day to day and handle the search for the new full time GM, I have no serious issue with that - given the new situation as it now stands. He knows a lot about the job, knows a lot of the people in the building and in the league. We may be a little lucky he is around to step in, as long as they really do follow up and find a new GM. Who could turn out to be good.
People act like Gettleman was solely responsible for every success and we are gonna now suck. We can still have a good year. As long as Matt Kalil works out and the rest of Gettleman's draft picks like Funchess, Benjamin, and the new guys contribute, we will be pretty good. If they don't people probably aren't such Gettleman fans any more anyhow. I haven't been for a while and his handling of the Norman situation was a major screwup. And I am not one that thought we should have given him a big contract. If Gettleman was unapologetic, he may have been on shaky ground. He would be with me.
With his firing, I bet it is as simple as a straw that broke the camel's back. Whatever the specific issue, it's very likely Gettleman told JR as long as he was in charge yada yada, and JR said that's enough for me okay you are no longer in charge.
If Hurney is here to run the day to day and handle the search for the new full time GM, I have no serious issue with that - given the new situation as it now stands. He knows a lot about the job, knows a lot of the people in the building and in the league. We may be a little lucky he is around to step in, as long as they really do follow up and find a new GM. Who could turn out to be good.
pantherclub
Footballguy
simey
Footballguy
I understand very well what Hurney has done in the past. What does Hurney's past actions have to do with me not liking you referring to Panthers players as losers? I should have just left it alone since you are always full of negativity. By the way, I am not a him.simey doesn't understand that Hurney as GM means overpaying for past production, and trading 2nd and 3rd round draft picks to move up and grab nobodies, @The Commish.Huh? My
You may have to spell it out for him.
spider321
Footballguy
When the Panthers put a bunch of physically declining 35-40 year-olds on the field in a few years they will most definitely be losers.
That is one of the reasons why this was a stupid move by Richardson.
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NCCommish
Footballguy
If not for Gettleman there wouldn't have been any reason to try to keep Norman as there is no reason to think the people who put is in salary cap hell would then get us out. They didn't at any other point. So it would be moot. No money. You hired the guy he got you to 3 post seasons, he won your division multiple times and he got you to a Super Bowl. Maybe you let him.continue to do the job his way and enjoy the success. Your fans, you know the people who pay for this team, were certainly enjoying it.stratocatter said:
omally
Footballguy
How do you know there wasn't major friction between Richardson and Gettleman, and they had a final disagreement that was enough for Richardson? If you have an employee who is good, yet disrespects you or others and isn't inline with your philosophy you have every right to let that person go. Richardson is not an idiot. Sometimes respect and what you believe in is greater than winning, and Richardson wants to win.
spider321
Footballguy
pantherclub
Footballguy
stratocatter
Footballguy
You are writing conjecture. The situation as it actually was, the point on that is exactly that we had plenty of cap. Do you really need to be convinced how assine Gettleman was in running off Norman altogether when he had him for a year? Really? It did not preclude drafting his replacement. Which was the correct strategy without question, as opposed to how it was handled.
That saying about pride going before a fall, fits perfectly here.
omally
Footballguy
spider321
Footballguy
True, but if Hurney follows his usual pattern and tries to make everyone the highest paid player at their position in the NFL, we are going to have some dollar menu guys starting and on the depth chart.
Hopefully, he has learned that you cannot pay everyone a king's ransom like the New York Yankees do.
Well, that and no more trading 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks to move up for nobodies. This isn't the NBA, Marty, good players are still available in those rounds.
Smh. Still in disbelief that we are back to this ********.(rhymes with tuckfard)
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omally
Footballguy
Turner is the third highest paid at his position, and I don't think the Panthers overpaid.
spider321
Footballguy
Perhaps not, but with the way he ****ed the roster up the 1st time around, I cannot give him the benefit of the doubt.
pantherclub
Footballguy
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article162968358.html
oh really
Now do you and omally believe it?
spider321
Footballguy
"Gettleman worked hard to keep analytics at the heart of his personnel decisions and emotions out of them."
This is exactly the reason Gettleman was able to lift the Panthers from mediocrity and salary cap hell. ...and it's exactly the reason Richardson, and his buddy Hurney, are going to run them back into the gutter.
****ing Twilight Zone #### going on in Charlotte. ****!!!!
This is exactly the reason Gettleman was able to lift the Panthers from mediocrity and salary cap hell. ...and it's exactly the reason Richardson, and his buddy Hurney, are going to run them back into the gutter.
****ing Twilight Zone #### going on in Charlotte. ****!!!!
simey
Footballguy
spider321
Footballguy
Because I wanted you to focus on the information instead of the "trigger".
...or as the article correctly states is the difference between Gettleman and Hurney/Richardson; I wanted you to look at the situation analytically, not emotionally.
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Yep. Sounds like the deal was already laid out and thank goodness Hurney/JR didn't decide against finishing it. I just want Norwell. That's all. I have a friend that played for the Panthers and knows Hurney and he didn't think that much of Star so I'm wondering if Hurney shares the same feeling.
Still upset because we were so well positioned for this year and I think everyone was on the same page with what went wrong last year. JR owns the team so what we think is pretty meaningless. I'm really worried about next year's draft.
