**Saturday Night Football on ABC - Lions 11-4 at Cowboys 10-5** (-5.5 , 52) 8:15 (2 Viewers)

[Anarchy99]

Sorry Charlie but a 5 yard penalty that also by the way negates a 2 point conversation is not a "do over".

LOL

We can all agree that the refs majorly botched this one. However, people should not look at this as "negating" a 2-point conversion. Since the refs incorrectly informed the Cowboys that 70 was an eligible player (when the Lions didn't want him to be) and that no one notified Dallas that 68 was the player Detroit wanted eligible, the Cowboys had literally NO IDEA they needed to cover 68. As such, the Cowboys could only believe 68 was a tackle on the end of the line and in a traditional formation. IMO, that left two possible outcomes.

1) Once the wrong player was announced by the officials, Detroit needed to go to the refs and have them correct the mistake (they shouldn't have had to do that, but to preserve their trick play, they pretty much had to). I've seen multiple situations over the years where the refs halted a play before the snap (to confirm what down it was, if they spotted the ball correctly, if they needed to measure, if the play clock was accurate, to allow the chain gang to move the chains, if the clock should be running or stopped, to give the defense a chance to substitute, etc.). Once the proper eligible players were sorted out and Dallas was informed, they would have reset the play clock and started the try over, especially since it wasn't a traditional timed play like in running game time.

2) The refs should have picked up the flag, called the play dead, and given the Lions a retry from the 2-yard line (but that would have eliminated the element of surprise and the ability to use their trick play).

Neither team should have benefitted from the mistake of the officials. Since the Cowboys did not receive proper notice and instruction as to who the eligible player was, the Lions should not have had that advantage and gotten awarded two points. And the Cowboys should not have benefitted and had the Lions pushed back 5 yards from the refs mucking things up either. But I don't see the range of outcomes one where the refs picked up the flag and counted the 2-point conversion for Detroit (at least that shouldn't have been an option, but who knows what the refs will do sometimes).

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

OK, so let’s say they heard it as they’re about to huddle. What do they do? Correct the ref, which risks tipping off the D?

Yes?

I guess my point is that the moment the refs announced the wrong number, they screwed the Lions in some way, whether big or small. Any options Detroit had at that point were worse than if the refs had gotten it correct to begin with. (And yes, in at least some of those scenarios it could have also screwed the Cowboys.) It’s a really huge mistake to make in that situation

 

[kface]

OK, so let’s say they heard it as they’re about to huddle. What do they do? Correct the ref, which risks tipping off the D?

Yes?

I guess my point is that the moment the refs announced the wrong number, they screwed the Lions in some way, whether big or small. Any options Detroit had at that point were worse than if the refs had gotten it correct to begin with. (And yes, in at least some of those scenarios it could have also screwed the Cowboys.) It’s a really huge mistake to make in that situation

Why were they screwed? Again had they got it right they would have declared and the cowboys would have adjusted. Had they switched it the same thing would have happened. There is zero element of surprise because when the guy declares the D is expecting them to leave the line

 

[N Zone]

Sorry Charlie but a 5 yard penalty that also by the way negates a 2 point conversation is not a "do over".

LOL

And the Cowboys jumped offsides giving the Lions a 3rd 2-point conversion attempt from closer in, which was thrown short and wide of the receiver and at the 1 yard line. No chance for a win with that losing play.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Refs screwed up, but Dallas was the overwhelmingly likely winner if the game had been officiated perfectly.

Without them getting the wrong team on the tripping penalty, LMAO, it probably was over right there. If not, much less time would’ve been on the clock. And the chances the trick play would’ve worked was less than 50% had the Cowboys been notified of 68. They had been working on Tackle eligible plays all week in practice.

Campbell made some controversial decisions, but you do that when you’re outmanned. The real culprit for the Lions is Goff (the sooner you guys replace him with Hooker, the better). Detroit is one of the better up & coming teams in the league, but let’s stop the nonsense about how the refs cost them the game.

It doesn't matter for Dallas either. Their next home loss will be the first playoff game.

And that’s whatever. That has nothing to do with the lions fans making **** up

We can only hope they meet again in the playoffs.

 

[Football Jones]

Refs screwed up, but Dallas was the overwhelmingly likely winner if the game had been officiated perfectly.

Without them getting the wrong team on the tripping penalty, LMAO, it probably was over right there. If not, much less time would’ve been on the clock. And the chances the trick play would’ve worked was less than 50% had the Cowboys been notified of 68. They had been working on Tackle eligible plays all week in practice.

Campbell made some controversial decisions, but you do that when you’re outmanned. The real culprit for the Lions is Goff (the sooner you guys replace him with Hooker, the better). Detroit is one of the better up & coming teams in the league, but let’s stop the nonsense about how the refs cost them the game.

It doesn't matter for Dallas either. Their next home loss will be the first playoff game.

Don't bet on it.

 

[jon_mx]

OK, so let’s say they heard it as they’re about to huddle. What do they do? Correct the ref, which risks tipping off the D?

Yes?

You still haven't answered what the Lions could have done to correct it. They had a whopping 2 seconds of extra time.

No they didn't...they announced who it was before the lions even went into their huddle. They had plenty of time and the ref was right there. Watch the video

Right? Idk if he refuses to watch the video or is just choosing to completely ignore it

Total lie, they were in the huddle.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Refs screwed up, but Dallas was the overwhelmingly likely winner if the game had been officiated perfectly.

Without them getting the wrong team on the tripping penalty, LMAO, it probably was over right there. If not, much less time would’ve been on the clock. And the chances the trick play would’ve worked was less than 50% had the Cowboys been notified of 68. They had been working on Tackle eligible plays all week in practice.

Campbell made some controversial decisions, but you do that when you’re outmanned. The real culprit for the Lions is Goff (the sooner you guys replace him with Hooker, the better). Detroit is one of the better up & coming teams in the league, but let’s stop the nonsense about how the refs cost them the game.

It doesn't matter for Dallas either. Their next home loss will be the first playoff game.

Don't bet on it.

Why, you think Detroit will lose to the Rams?

 

[kface]

OK, so let’s say they heard it as they’re about to huddle. What do they do? Correct the ref, which risks tipping off the D?

Yes?

You still haven't answered what the Lions could have done to correct it. They had a whopping 2 seconds of extra time.

No they didn't...they announced who it was before the lions even went into their huddle. They had plenty of time and the ref was right there. Watch the video

Right? Idk if he refuses to watch the video or is just choosing to completely ignore it

Total lie, they were in the huddle.

Watch the video dude...you are running around saying they had 2 seconds and that is clearly the lie here. They were just huddling up

 

[Football Jones]

Refs screwed up, but Dallas was the overwhelmingly likely winner if the game had been officiated perfectly.

Without them getting the wrong team on the tripping penalty, LMAO, it probably was over right there. If not, much less time would’ve been on the clock. And the chances the trick play would’ve worked was less than 50% had the Cowboys been notified of 68. They had been working on Tackle eligible plays all week in practice.

Campbell made some controversial decisions, but you do that when you’re outmanned. The real culprit for the Lions is Goff (the sooner you guys replace him with Hooker, the better). Detroit is one of the better up & coming teams in the league, but let’s stop the nonsense about how the refs cost them the game.

It doesn't matter for Dallas either. Their next home loss will be the first playoff game.

And that’s whatever. That has nothing to do with the lions fans making **** up

We can only hope they meet again in the playoffs.

Like Detroit was the better team in that matchup, LOL. Campbell figured out who the underdog was pretty quickly...that's why he was willing to take so many chances. Once he saw they couldn't bully Dallas with the running game, he went to his bag of tricks (which was smart). It's not rocket science.

The Lions have a good, young team, but any butthurt needs to be directed at Goff, not the Cowboys.

 

[zeke2222]

I do wonder what a team in the Lions’ situation is supposed to do if they hear the refs announce the wrong number. They had no timeouts, and given that Goff got the snap with two seconds left it’s not even clear they had time to audible to a different play

While the clock isn't showing the lions hadn't even huddled up when it was announced over the loud speaker. Seems to me they had plenty of time

OK, so let’s say they heard it as they’re about to huddle. What do they do? Correct the ref, which risks tipping off the D? Run the play to 70 instead, even though he didn’t practice it? Throw out the entire play and run something else?

It just seems like such a monumental screwup on the part of the refs that leaves the team with no good options. Seems like there should be a better ways to communicate that info that doesn’t present such a big risk

True but the last thing you should do as Detroit when you hear #70 eligible two times over loud speaker is not say anything to the officials. there is usually always an official near the two Coaches. Detroit got cute trying to cloud who was eligible on this play and got burnt and could have said something and didn't. Example: some coaches teach and direct players DB's to disrupt Wide receivers and make subtle contact/Interference just enough to make subtle contact to disrupt WR and make it hard for WR to catch footballs but there is a fine line between subtle contact and the refs calling Interference. So when Coaches and players decide to play with fire and sort of bend rules or sort of confuse refs with subtle interference , The refs call can go for or against them. When Dan Cambell decided to run multiple players out to the ref with an illusion that it could have been any one of the three reporting as eligible , he created possible un-necessary confusion for the refs and his own players in an attempt to fool the Cowboys. Just like subtle Interference calls can be called two ways by refs , Creating a confusing situation for the refs with three players approaching instead of 1 was a decision made by Campell that was not necessary if you wanted none or less chance for human error . Again Campbell could have taken a almost sure thing and go to OT but he chose multiple times in this game to Gamble with fake punts and multiple attempts at 4th down plays and multiple 2 pt conversion attempts and trick plays trying to fool the cowboys defense. When will these teams get back to Playing the games strait up without all the gambling in various types of plays. Its a pretty simple game . Always take the points like a FG or Extra point until late in the game when you need to gamble or end up with losses like this.

 

[Football Jones]

Refs screwed up, but Dallas was the overwhelmingly likely winner if the game had been officiated perfectly.

Without them getting the wrong team on the tripping penalty, LMAO, it probably was over right there. If not, much less time would’ve been on the clock. And the chances the trick play would’ve worked was less than 50% had the Cowboys been notified of 68. They had been working on Tackle eligible plays all week in practice.

Campbell made some controversial decisions, but you do that when you’re outmanned. The real culprit for the Lions is Goff (the sooner you guys replace him with Hooker, the better). Detroit is one of the better up & coming teams in the league, but let’s stop the nonsense about how the refs cost them the game.

It doesn't matter for Dallas either. Their next home loss will be the first playoff game.

Don't bet on it.

Why, you think Detroit will lose to the Rams?

I don't know, but I wouldn't be on the 7th seed beating Dallas.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Refs screwed up, but Dallas was the overwhelmingly likely winner if the game had been officiated perfectly.

Without them getting the wrong team on the tripping penalty, LMAO, it probably was over right there. If not, much less time would’ve been on the clock. And the chances the trick play would’ve worked was less than 50% had the Cowboys been notified of 68. They had been working on Tackle eligible plays all week in practice.

Campbell made some controversial decisions, but you do that when you’re outmanned. The real culprit for the Lions is Goff (the sooner you guys replace him with Hooker, the better). Detroit is one of the better up & coming teams in the league, but let’s stop the nonsense about how the refs cost them the game.

It doesn't matter for Dallas either. Their next home loss will be the first playoff game.

Don't bet on it.

Why, you think Detroit will lose to the Rams?

I don't know, but I wouldn't be on the 7th seed beating Dallas.

Sorry I misread. I thought you were saying we would not get a rematch.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

OK, so let’s say they heard it as they’re about to huddle. What do they do? Correct the ref, which risks tipping off the D?

Yes?

You still haven't answered what the Lions could have done to correct it. They had a whopping 2 seconds of extra time.

No they didn't...they announced who it was before the lions even went into their huddle. They had plenty of time and the ref was right there. Watch the video

Right? Idk if he refuses to watch the video or is just choosing to completely ignore it

Total lie, they were in the huddle.

Did you watch the video of the all 22 when the ref announced the eligible receiver ?

You can’t be serious

 

[Cowboysfan8]

OK, so let’s say they heard it as they’re about to huddle. What do they do? Correct the ref, which risks tipping off the D?

Yes?

You still haven't answered what the Lions could have done to correct it. They had a whopping 2 seconds of extra time.

No they didn't...they announced who it was before the lions even went into their huddle. They had plenty of time and the ref was right there. Watch the video

Right? Idk if he refuses to watch the video or is just choosing to completely ignore it

Total lie, they were in the huddle.

Watch the video dude...you are running around saying they had 2 seconds and that is clearly the lie here. They were just huddling up

Seriously….wth is he talking about lol

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Refs screwed up, but Dallas was the overwhelmingly likely winner if the game had been officiated perfectly.

Without them getting the wrong team on the tripping penalty, LMAO, it probably was over right there. If not, much less time would’ve been on the clock. And the chances the trick play would’ve worked was less than 50% had the Cowboys been notified of 68. They had been working on Tackle eligible plays all week in practice.

Campbell made some controversial decisions, but you do that when you’re outmanned. The real culprit for the Lions is Goff (the sooner you guys replace him with Hooker, the better). Detroit is one of the better up & coming teams in the league, but let’s stop the nonsense about how the refs cost them the game.

It doesn't matter for Dallas either. Their next home loss will be the first playoff game.

Don't bet on it.

Why, you think Detroit will lose to the Rams?

I don't know, but I wouldn't be on the 7th seed beating Dallas.

I wouldn’t bet $ on either lol

 

[kface]

OK, so let’s say they heard it as they’re about to huddle. What do they do? Correct the ref, which risks tipping off the D?

Yes?

You still haven't answered what the Lions could have done to correct it. They had a whopping 2 seconds of extra time.

No they didn't...they announced who it was before the lions even went into their huddle. They had plenty of time and the ref was right there. Watch the video

Right? Idk if he refuses to watch the video or is just choosing to completely ignore it

Total lie, they were in the huddle.

Watch the video dude...you are running around saying they had 2 seconds and that is clearly the lie here. They were just huddling up

Seriously….wth is he talking about lol

He's a lions fan with his heart broken...not thinking rationally i guess

 

[Cowboysfan8]

OK, so let’s say they heard it as they’re about to huddle. What do they do? Correct the ref, which risks tipping off the D?

Yes?

You still haven't answered what the Lions could have done to correct it. They had a whopping 2 seconds of extra time.

No they didn't...they announced who it was before the lions even went into their huddle. They had plenty of time and the ref was right there. Watch the video

Right? Idk if he refuses to watch the video or is just choosing to completely ignore it

Total lie, they were in the huddle.

Watch the video dude...you are running around saying they had 2 seconds and that is clearly the lie here. They were just huddling up

Seriously….wth is he talking about lol

He's a lions fan with his heart broken...not thinking rationally i guess

I guess?

 

[Football Jones]

Refs screwed up, but Dallas was the overwhelmingly likely winner if the game had been officiated perfectly.

Without them getting the wrong team on the tripping penalty, LMAO, it probably was over right there. If not, much less time would’ve been on the clock. And the chances the trick play would’ve worked was less than 50% had the Cowboys been notified of 68. They had been working on Tackle eligible plays all week in practice.

Campbell made some controversial decisions, but you do that when you’re outmanned. The real culprit for the Lions is Goff (the sooner you guys replace him with Hooker, the better). Detroit is one of the better up & coming teams in the league, but let’s stop the nonsense about how the refs cost them the game.

It doesn't matter for Dallas either. Their next home loss will be the first playoff game.

Don't bet on it.

Why, you think Detroit will lose to the Rams?

I don't know, but I wouldn't be on the 7th seed beating Dallas.

Sorry I misread. I thought you were saying we would not get a rematch.

No problem

 

[zeke2222]

The last thing you should do as Detroit when you hear #70 eligible two times over loud speaker is not say anything to the officials. there is usually always an official near the two Coaches. Detroit got cute trying to cloud who was eligible on this play and got burnt and could have said something and didn't. Example: some coaches teach and direct players DB's to disrupt Wide receivers and make subtle contact/Interference just enough to make subtle contact to disrupt WR and make it hard for WR to catch footballs but there is a fine line between subtle contact and the refs calling Interference. So when Coaches and players decide to play with fire and sort of bend rules or sort of confuse refs with subtle interference , The refs call can go for or against them. When Dan Cambell decided to run multiple players out to the ref with an illusion that it could have been any one of the three reporting as eligible , he created possible un-necessary confusion for the refs and his own players in an attempt to fool the Cowboys. Just like subtle Interference calls can be called two ways by refs , Creating a confusing situation for the refs with three players approaching instead of 1 was a decision made by Campell that was not necessary if you wanted none or less chance for human error . Again, Campbell could have taken an almost sure thing and go to OT but he chose multiple times in this game to Gamble with fake punts and multiple attempts at 4th downplays and multiple 2 pt conversion attempts and trick plays trying to fool the cowboys' defense. When will these teams get back to Playing the games strait up without all the gambling in various types of plays. It's a pretty simple game. sometimes too much trickery is not a good thing. If you need all this trickery, then your team just isn't good enough to win straight up.

 

[jon_mx]

OK, so let’s say they heard it as they’re about to huddle. What do they do? Correct the ref, which risks tipping off the D?

Yes?

You still haven't answered what the Lions could have done to correct it. They had a whopping 2 seconds of extra time.

No they didn't...they announced who it was before the lions even went into their huddle. They had plenty of time and the ref was right there. Watch the video

Right? Idk if he refuses to watch the video or is just choosing to completely ignore it

Total lie, they were in the huddle.

Watch the video dude...you are running around saying they had 2 seconds and that is clearly the lie here. They were just huddling up

Seriously….wth is he talking about lol

He's a lions fan with his heart broken...not thinking rationally i guess

I guess?

Because they lied about everything. I did not say they announced it with 2 seconds. I said they announced it when Goff was calling the play in the huddle and would not have heard, they broke huddle and Goff hiked it with 2 seconds on the play clock. They were claiming they announced it before the huddle. Now they have backtracked. So they lied twice and backtracked once. There was no extra time or any kind own method for Goff to correct it even if he had heard the announcement.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

They were claiming they announced it before the huddle.

They did. It’s right there in the video I linked from twitter multiple times. Did you watch it? Do you think the video is fake??

 

[Cowboysfan8]

There was no extra time or any kind own method for Goff to correct it even if he had heard the announcement.

Bull poop

 

[jon_mx]

There was no extra time or any kind own method for Goff to correct it even if he had heard the announcement.

Bull poop

Oh please tell me Sherlock. Try to track down the ref and explain the situation for a first of the kind error in NFL history? The refs would have thrown a flag for delay of game. They would have no choice.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

There was no extra time or any kind own method for Goff to correct it even if he had heard the announcement.

Bull poop

Oh please tell me Sherlock. Try to track down the ref and explain the situation for a first of the kind error in NFL history? The refs would have thrown a flag for delay of game. They would have no choice.

How much time was on the play clock when 70 was announced ON THE PA for everyone to hear? 10 secs? 25 secs?

 

[Anarchy99]

There was no extra time or any kind own method for Goff to correct it even if he had heard the announcement.

I don't believe this to be true. For such a crucial moment in the game and knowing what their own plan was, one would think that the Lions would have had someone on the field or in the booth making sure the refs announced the right number (and alerting Campbell if it was wrong).

Had Campbell spoken to the ref standing right next to him and told them they announced the wrong player as eligible, the refs would have blown the whistle, paused the play, announced the correction to the crowd and to the Cowboys, and reset the play clock. As I posted a little while ago, the refs pause plays and reset the play clock pretty regularly.

Yes, I agree that the Lions shouldn't have had to do that, but once they announced the wrong number, Detroit had to intervene to rectify it. With the eligible player being announced wrong, they should have known that 68 would have been considered ineligible. IMO, when a team is trying to run something that goes counter to what the usual formations are (and counter to what they were doing with 70 throughout the game), there was a lot that could go wrong in the execution of the play (ie, they needed the refs to do their part and fully understand what was going on).

 

[jon_mx]

There was no extra time or any kind own method for Goff to correct it even if he had heard the announcement.

I don't believe this to be true. For such a crucial moment in the game and knowing what their own plan was, one would think that the Lions would have had someone on the field or in the booth making sure the refs announced the right number (and alerting Campbell if it was wrong).

Had Cambell spoken to the ref standing right next to him and told them they announced the wrong player as eligible, the refs would have blown the whistle, paused the play, announced the correction to the crowd and to the Cowboys, and reset the play clock. As I posted a little while ago, the refs pause plays and reset the play clock pretty regularly.

Yes, I agree that the Lions shouldn't have had to do that, but once they announced the wrong number, Detroit had to intervene to rectify it. With the eligible player being announced wrong, they should have known that 68 would have been considered ineligible. IMO, when a team is trying to run something that goes counter to what the usual formations are (and counter to what they were doing with 70 throughout the game), there was a lot that could go wrong in the execution of the play (ie, they needed the refs to do their part and fully understand what was going on).

Rrrrrrriiiiiggghhhttttt. You are suppose to have a person dedicated to listening to the announcer just in case an event happens which never happened in the history of the NFL happens, and there still isn't any method to possibly change it! What was the idiot Dan Campbell thinking for not planning for a never before event!!!!

The ref screwed up royally. Stop the Cowboy's and NFL nonsense of twisting it to be the fault of the Lions. The female ref even had 68 reporting and not 70, but the head ref was having no part of it.

 

[Anarchy99]

There was no extra time or any kind own method for Goff to correct it even if he had heard the announcement.

I don't believe this to be true. For such a crucial moment in the game and knowing what their own plan was, one would think that the Lions would have had someone on the field or in the booth making sure the refs announced the right number (and alerting Campbell if it was wrong).

Had Cambell spoken to the ref standing right next to him and told them they announced the wrong player as eligible, the refs would have blown the whistle, paused the play, announced the correction to the crowd and to the Cowboys, and reset the play clock. As I posted a little while ago, the refs pause plays and reset the play clock pretty regularly.

Yes, I agree that the Lions shouldn't have had to do that, but once they announced the wrong number, Detroit had to intervene to rectify it. With the eligible player being announced wrong, they should have known that 68 would have been considered ineligible. IMO, when a team is trying to run something that goes counter to what the usual formations are (and counter to what they were doing with 70 throughout the game), there was a lot that could go wrong in the execution of the play (ie, they needed the refs to do their part and fully understand what was going on).

Rrrrrrriiiiiggghhhttttt. You are suppose to have a person dedicated to listening to the announcer just in case an event happens which never happened in the history of the NFL happens, and there still isn't any method to possibly change it! What was the idiot Dan Campbell thinking for not planning for a never before event!!!!

When your playoff seed and the outcome of the game impacting your entire season is on the line based on THAT SINGLE PLAY? Absolutely, you should have one of your 23 coaches on the team making sure your one trick play that is COMPLETELY different than your usual plays you ran all season is set up properly by the refs. IMO, the play clock running out argument doesn't hold much water here. Coaches discuss things with refs all the time, and the officials hold up play to confirm things are the way they are supposed to be. Happens all the time. They would have either paused the play clock at the point when DET told them they announced the wrong number (if not completely resetting it).

 

[Bankerguy]

Jimmy Johnson could be heard in the locker room after the game shouting, "How about those Referees!!!"

Ohhh….good one!!!!

 

[need2know]

Refs way too involved

 

[jon_mx]

There was no extra time or any kind own method for Goff to correct it even if he had heard the announcement.

I don't believe this to be true. For such a crucial moment in the game and knowing what their own plan was, one would think that the Lions would have had someone on the field or in the booth making sure the refs announced the right number (and alerting Campbell if it was wrong).

Had Cambell spoken to the ref standing right next to him and told them they announced the wrong player as eligible, the refs would have blown the whistle, paused the play, announced the correction to the crowd and to the Cowboys, and reset the play clock. As I posted a little while ago, the refs pause plays and reset the play clock pretty regularly.

Yes, I agree that the Lions shouldn't have had to do that, but once they announced the wrong number, Detroit had to intervene to rectify it. With the eligible player being announced wrong, they should have known that 68 would have been considered ineligible. IMO, when a team is trying to run something that goes counter to what the usual formations are (and counter to what they were doing with 70 throughout the game), there was a lot that could go wrong in the execution of the play (ie, they needed the refs to do their part and fully understand what was going on).

Rrrrrrriiiiiggghhhttttt. You are suppose to have a person dedicated to listening to the announcer just in case an event happens which never happened in the history of the NFL happens, and there still isn't any method to possibly change it! What was the idiot Dan Campbell thinking for not planning for a never before event!!!!

When your playoff seed and the outcome of the game impacting your entire season is on the line based on THAT SINGLE PLAY? Absolutely, you should have one of your 23 coaches on the team making sure your one trick play that is COMPLETELY different than your usual plays you ran all season is set up properly by the refs. IMO, the play clock running out argument doesn't hold much water here. Coaches discuss things with refs all the time, and the officials hold up play to confirm things are the way they are supposed to be. Happens all the time. They would have either paused the play clock at the point when DET told them they announced the wrong number (if not completely resetting it).

Good lord, are all Cowboys fans like this?

 

[JoeKappBudGrant]

There was no extra time or any kind own method for Goff to correct it even if he had heard the announcement.

I don't believe this to be true. For such a crucial moment in the game and knowing what their own plan was, one would think that the Lions would have had someone on the field or in the booth making sure the refs announced the right number (and alerting Campbell if it was wrong).

Had Cambell spoken to the ref standing right next to him and told them they announced the wrong player as eligible, the refs would have blown the whistle, paused the play, announced the correction to the crowd and to the Cowboys, and reset the play clock. As I posted a little while ago, the refs pause plays and reset the play clock pretty regularly.

Yes, I agree that the Lions shouldn't have had to do that, but once they announced the wrong number, Detroit had to intervene to rectify it. With the eligible player being announced wrong, they should have known that 68 would have been considered ineligible. IMO, when a team is trying to run something that goes counter to what the usual formations are (and counter to what they were doing with 70 throughout the game), there was a lot that could go wrong in the execution of the play (ie, they needed the refs to do their part and fully understand what was going on).

Rrrrrrriiiiiggghhhttttt. You are suppose to have a person dedicated to listening to the announcer just in case an event happens which never happened in the history of the NFL happens, and there still isn't any method to possibly change it! What was the idiot Dan Campbell thinking for not planning for a never before event!!!!

When your playoff seed and the outcome of the game impacting your entire season is on the line based on THAT SINGLE PLAY? Absolutely, you should have one of your 23 coaches on the team making sure your one trick play that is COMPLETELY different than your usual plays you ran all season is set up properly by the refs. IMO, the play clock running out argument doesn't hold much water here. Coaches discuss things with refs all the time, and the officials hold up play to confirm things are the way they are supposed to be. Happens all the time. They would have either paused the play clock at the point when DET told them they announced the wrong number (if not completely resetting it).

Good lord, are all Cowboys fans like this?

I think it is caused by McCarthyism.

 

[Anarchy99]

Good lord, are all Cowboys fans like this?

Funny, most people consider me the biggest Patriots homer on the boards.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

There was no extra time or any kind own method for Goff to correct it even if he had heard the announcement.

I don't believe this to be true. For such a crucial moment in the game and knowing what their own plan was, one would think that the Lions would have had someone on the field or in the booth making sure the refs announced the right number (and alerting Campbell if it was wrong).

Had Cambell spoken to the ref standing right next to him and told them they announced the wrong player as eligible, the refs would have blown the whistle, paused the play, announced the correction to the crowd and to the Cowboys, and reset the play clock.

There was no extra time or any kind own method for Goff to correct it even if he had heard the announcement.

I don't believe this to be true. For such a crucial moment in the game and knowing what their own plan was, one would think that the Lions would have had someone on the field or in the booth making sure the refs announced the right number (and alerting Campbell if it was wrong).

Had Cambell spoken to the ref standing right next to him and told them they announced the wrong player as eligible, the refs would have blown the whistle, paused the play, announced the correction to the crowd and to the Cowboys, and reset the play clock. As I posted a little while ago, the refs pause plays and reset the play clock pretty regularly.

Yes, I agree that the Lions shouldn't have had to do that, but once they announced the wrong number, Detroit had to intervene to rectify it. With the eligible player being announced wrong, they should have known that 68 would have been considered ineligible. IMO, when a team is trying to run something that goes counter to what the usual formations are (and counter to what they were doing with 70 throughout the game), there was a lot that could go wrong in the execution of the play (ie, they needed the refs to do their part and fully understand what was going on).

Rrrrrrriiiiiggghhhttttt. You are suppose to have a person dedicated to listening to the announcer just in case an event happens which never happened in the history of the NFL happens, and there still isn't any method to possibly change it! What was the idiot Dan Campbell thinking for not planning for a never before event!!!!

When your playoff seed and the outcome of the game impacting your entire season is on the line based on THAT SINGLE PLAY? Absolutely, you should have one of your 23 coaches on the team making sure your one trick play that is COMPLETELY different than your usual plays you ran all season is set up properly by the refs. IMO, the play clock running out argument doesn't hold much water here. Coaches discuss things with refs all the time, and the officials hold up play to confirm things are the way they are supposed to be. Happens all the time. They would have either paused the play clock at the point when DET told them they announced the wrong number (if not completely resetting it).

Good lord, are all Cowboys fans like this?

he’s not a cowboys fan. Or a “lions hater”.

And he’s correct

 

[kface]

Good lord, are all Cowboys fans like this?

Funny, most people consider me the biggest Patriots homer on the boards.

And i hate the cowboys

Just using some common sense

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Apparently the ref crew did something wrong, NFL downgraded them to the non playoff list.

Yep. Anyone blaming anyone but the officials at this point has lost the plot.

You can believe anything you like. I hate the cowboys. Officiating is awful this year it appears but this is not a case of that. They tried to be cute, screwed up (and the ref may have screwed up as well), had a chance to rectify it and didn't

A lot of noise quite frankly.

The ref "may" have screwed up? Yeah, the plot and you are not in the same stratosphere.

You know you can disagree with someone without being a jerk about it. If you can't debate like an adult that's on you

This is what happens with certain people, especially on this board. You’re not allowed to have a different opinion. If you do, you get attacked and flat out told you’re wrong and there’s no other viewpoint.

Not that they respect your option but disagree, but you are just wrong and that’s it dammit, harrumph!!!

It’s weird.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Refs screwed up, but Dallas was the overwhelmingly likely winner if the game had been officiated perfectly.

Without them getting the wrong team on the tripping penalty, LMAO, it probably was over right there. If not, much less time would’ve been on the clock. And the chances the trick play would’ve worked was less than 50% had the Cowboys been notified of 68. They had been working on Tackle eligible plays all week in practice.

Campbell made some controversial decisions, but you do that when you’re outmanned. The real culprit for the Lions is Goff (the sooner you guys replace him with Hooker, the better). Detroit is one of the better up & coming teams in the league, but let’s stop the nonsense about how the refs cost them the game.

It doesn't matter for Dallas either. Their next home loss will be the first playoff game.

Sick burn! Now use the VHS tapes joke!

 

[dickey moe]

There was no extra time or any kind own method for Goff to correct it even if he had heard the announcement.

I don't believe this to be true. For such a crucial moment in the game and knowing what their own plan was, one would think that the Lions would have had someone on the field or in the booth making sure the refs announced the right number (and alerting Campbell if it was wrong).

Had Cambell spoken to the ref standing right next to him and told them they announced the wrong player as eligible, the refs would have blown the whistle, paused the play, announced the correction to the crowd and to the Cowboys, and reset the play clock. As I posted a little while ago, the refs pause plays and reset the play clock pretty regularly.

Yes, I agree that the Lions shouldn't have had to do that, but once they announced the wrong number, Detroit had to intervene to rectify it. With the eligible player being announced wrong, they should have known that 68 would have been considered ineligible. IMO, when a team is trying to run something that goes counter to what the usual formations are (and counter to what they were doing with 70 throughout the game), there was a lot that could go wrong in the execution of the play (ie, they needed the refs to do their part and fully understand what was going on).

Rrrrrrriiiiiggghhhttttt. You are suppose to have a person dedicated to listening to the announcer just in case an event happens which never happened in the history of the NFL happens, and there still isn't any method to possibly change it! What was the idiot Dan Campbell thinking for not planning for a never before event!!!!

When your playoff seed and the outcome of the game impacting your entire season is on the line based on THAT SINGLE PLAY? Absolutely, you should have one of your 23 coaches on the team making sure your one trick play that is COMPLETELY different than your usual plays you ran all season is set up properly by the refs. IMO, the play clock running out argument doesn't hold much water here. Coaches discuss things with refs all the time, and the officials hold up play to confirm things are the way they are supposed to be. Happens all the time. They would have either paused the play clock at the point when DET told them they announced the wrong number (if not completely resetting it).

Good lord, are all Cowboys fans like this?

Dude, take the L and move on. Try to enjoy your vacation.

 

[jon_mx]

There was no extra time or any kind own method for Goff to correct it even if he had heard the announcement.

I don't believe this to be true. For such a crucial moment in the game and knowing what their own plan was, one would think that the Lions would have had someone on the field or in the booth making sure the refs announced the right number (and alerting Campbell if it was wrong).

Had Cambell spoken to the ref standing right next to him and told them they announced the wrong player as eligible, the refs would have blown the whistle, paused the play, announced the correction to the crowd and to the Cowboys, and reset the play clock. As I posted a little while ago, the refs pause plays and reset the play clock pretty regularly.

Yes, I agree that the Lions shouldn't have had to do that, but once they announced the wrong number, Detroit had to intervene to rectify it. With the eligible player being announced wrong, they should have known that 68 would have been considered ineligible. IMO, when a team is trying to run something that goes counter to what the usual formations are (and counter to what they were doing with 70 throughout the game), there was a lot that could go wrong in the execution of the play (ie, they needed the refs to do their part and fully understand what was going on).

Rrrrrrriiiiiggghhhttttt. You are suppose to have a person dedicated to listening to the announcer just in case an event happens which never happened in the history of the NFL happens, and there still isn't any method to possibly change it! What was the idiot Dan Campbell thinking for not planning for a never before event!!!!

When your playoff seed and the outcome of the game impacting your entire season is on the line based on THAT SINGLE PLAY? Absolutely, you should have one of your 23 coaches on the team making sure your one trick play that is COMPLETELY different than your usual plays you ran all season is set up properly by the refs. IMO, the play clock running out argument doesn't hold much water here. Coaches discuss things with refs all the time, and the officials hold up play to confirm things are the way they are supposed to be. Happens all the time. They would have either paused the play clock at the point when DET told them they announced the wrong number (if not completely resetting it).

Good lord, are all Cowboys fans like this?

Dude, take the L and move on. Try to enjoy your vacation.

Oh I moved on. But we all know the ref made a mistake. The idea of turning thst error into players are at fault is pure asinine. The ref made a mistake which lead to the fiasco and lies about it and tries to avoid responsibility and the league at least publicly backs him up.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Once again, let's land the plane.

#1-Refs blew the call, there is no innocent mistake here. That entire crew should be 86'd from any future NFL games, get them nice jobs in the NCAA on Saturdays.

#2-And this part is very important...regardless of #1, Dan Campbell blew it trying to go for 2 again on 4th Down from the 7
Loo at Harbaugh down 20-13 late vs Alabama, he kicks the XP and says let's go to overtime where I can strike back and win this game, Detroit should have done the same

One does not excuse the other or vice versa.
If DC kicks the XP and the Lions win in Overtime, I still would call for the Refs' heads.

 

[Bankerguy]

Once again, let's land the plane.

#1-Refs blew the call, there is no innocent mistake here. That entire crew should be 86'd from any future NFL games, get them nice jobs in the NCAA on Saturdays.

#2-And this part is very important...regardless of #1, Dan Campbell blew it trying to go for 2 again on 4th Down from the 7
Loo at Harbaugh down 20-13 late vs Alabama, he kicks the XP and says let's go to overtime where I can strike back and win this game, Detroit should have done the same

One does not excuse the other or vice versa.
If DC kicks the XP and the Lions win in Overtime, I still would call for the Refs' heads.

Point 1 - is a lazy take imo. It’s way more nuisanced than that. Yes, the ref did not capture the Lion’s intent.

Then ask why?
Then analyze the play that occurred - why would Dallas cover 68?
Why does Detroit and their fans think it would have worked? Cowboys were ready for 70 and prepped in practice for this type of play.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Once again, let's land the plane.

#1-Refs blew the call, there is no innocent mistake here. That entire crew should be 86'd from any future NFL games, get them nice jobs in the NCAA on Saturdays.

#2-And this part is very important...regardless of #1, Dan Campbell blew it trying to go for 2 again on 4th Down from the 7
Loo at Harbaugh down 20-13 late vs Alabama, he kicks the XP and says let's go to overtime where I can strike back and win this game, Detroit should have done the same

One does not excuse the other or vice versa.
If DC kicks the XP and the Lions win in Overtime, I still would call for the Refs' heads.

Point 1 - is a lazy take imo. It’s way more nuisanced than that. Yes, the ref did not capture the Lion’s intent.

Then ask why?
Then analyze the play that occurred - why would Dallas cover 68?
Why does Detroit and their fans think it would have worked? Cowboys were ready for 70 and prepped in practice for this type of play.

It's not lazy and the NFL has to get rid of that crew because allowing an "innocent mistake" in a very not innocent event/job, however you want to phrase it but those Refs can never walk on an NFL field again IMHO, it's the worst of the worst.

-The easiest way for an NFL Ref to pull a "Tim Donaghy" is to pretend they didn't hear anything or just made an honest mistake. NFL players make honest mistakes in football games and it cost some of them their jobs on Monday Mornings, same should be for the Refs

-I don't have a rooting interest in either team but I believe you do and many others imploring Lions fans to just suck up the loss...again I think the way I landed the plane is the 2 events or choices are not one or the other, they are independent of each other. Campbell behaving like a child and going for it again at the 7 yd line was a terrible decision.

Campbell's decision on the 7 yd line does not exonerate the Referee and his Crew when the ball was on the 2 yd line.

2 things happened at the end of that football game. The Refs botched things at the 2 yd line and the NFL has downgraded this crew or set to do something to them, that should be enough if Goodell is weighing in on it. And DC blew it on the 7 yd line, shoulda kicked the XP and gone to Overtime

3 teams were 11-4 I beleive at the start of kick off in Dallas...Lions-Eagles-Niners and the Eagles lost, Detroit could be at least the #2 seed right now
Reckless decision on the 7 yd line IMHO

 

[Bankerguy]

Once again, let's land the plane.

#1-Refs blew the call, there is no innocent mistake here. That entire crew should be 86'd from any future NFL games, get them nice jobs in the NCAA on Saturdays.

#2-And this part is very important...regardless of #1, Dan Campbell blew it trying to go for 2 again on 4th Down from the 7
Loo at Harbaugh down 20-13 late vs Alabama, he kicks the XP and says let's go to overtime where I can strike back and win this game, Detroit should have done the same

One does not excuse the other or vice versa.
If DC kicks the XP and the Lions win in Overtime, I still would call for the Refs' heads.

Point 1 - is a lazy take imo. It’s way more nuisanced than that. Yes, the ref did not capture the Lion’s intent.

Then ask why?
Then analyze the play that occurred - why would Dallas cover 68?
Why does Detroit and their fans think it would have worked? Cowboys were ready for 70 and prepped in practice for this type of play.

It's not lazy and the NFL has to get rid of that crew because allowing an "innocent mistake" in a very not innocent event/job, however you want to phrase it but those Refs can never walk on an NFL field again IMHO, it's the worst of the worst.

-The easiest way for an NFL Ref to pull a "Tim Donaghy" is to pretend they didn't hear anything or just made an honest mistake. NFL players make honest mistakes in football games and it cost some of them their jobs on Monday Mornings, same should be for the Refs

-I don't have a rooting interest in either team but I believe you do and many others imploring Lions fans to just suck up the loss...again I think the way I landed the plane is the 2 events or choices are not one or the other, they are independent of each other. Campbell behaving like a child and going for it again at the 7 yd line was a terrible decision.

Campbell's decision on the 7 yd line does not exonerate the Referee and his Crew when the ball was on the 2 yd line.

2 things happened at the end of that football game. The Refs botched things at the 2 yd line and the NFL has downgraded this crew or set to do something to them, that should be enough if Goodell is weighing in on it. And DC blew it on the 7 yd line, shoulda kicked the XP and gone to Overtime

3 teams were 11-4 I beleive at the start of kick off in Dallas...Lions-Eagles-Niners and the Eagles lost, Detroit could be at least the #2 seed right now
Reckless decision on the 7 yd line IMHO

MOP - answer two questions. Think about it before you answer.

Why are there 3 guys approaching the ref?
Why is 70 running directly at the ref and right into huddle?

Does anyone think this is trickery? The ref if he got it right (which he didn’t) would still have ran to the Dallas D captain to share the correct eligible player and then announce to it the stadium.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Campbell's decision on the 7 yd line does not exonerate the Referee and his Crew when the ball was on the 2 yd line.

Context is important here. Dumb thing #2 never happens without dumb thing #1 happening first. Not the other way around.

 

[Football Jones]

Is this still going on?

Come on guys...if the game had been refereed perfectly, Dallas would've won. End of story. The game was pretty much decided when you weren't efficient running on us. That's the one thing I was worried about without Hankins.

A note to Detroit fans...you better hope the players aren't stuck on this like most of you are. Let's say we forget about the refs giving the tripping penalty to the wrong team (I've never seen that before, LOL), we would've covered 68 like a blanket. He ran 7 yards straight ahead & slowly turned around. Just like you would expect an OL to do. Whether we were tipped off or our scouting picked it up, we had been practicing Tackle eligible plays all week. It would've failed.

I really like your story & you have a good team, but let's move on. BTW, the biggest problem you guys have is Goff (non-negotiable). The sooner Hooker gets the job, the sooner you can see if you have the QB you need to exploit your window.

 

[nysfl2]

As a Lions fan, I'm just glad they got this out of the way in the regular season, and it didn't cost them another playoff game

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Campbell's decision on the 7 yd line does not exonerate the Referee and his Crew when the ball was on the 2 yd line.

Context is important here. Dumb thing #2 never happens without dumb thing #1 happening first. Not the other way around.

I understand that and this is why I grade the two as separate events or decisions.

-I don't understand why the fans of the two teams are digging in so hard here. Dallas won, nobody is taking the game away but it feels like fans are taking it personally that there is controversy surrounding the ending of this football game.

The story of what happened with the players and what was said to the Refs and whether they understood and heard clearly has changed so many times since the play happened that I don't think anyone is going to ever feel satisfied but if the Refs have been demoted or reprimanded in any way...Brady was suspended for 4 games for cheating, you can slice it however you want just like Belichick and Patriots have been fined a lot of money for cheating, them's the facts regardless of what people want to believe

-If Dallas fans want to believe the Refs washed their hands of this and are innocent then that's what they're gonna believe.
-If folks think what i just stated is what triggered #2 with the decision to go for 2 points down 20-19 late from the 7 yd line where an XP send you to OT, go for it!

I know what i saw when I watched the game and I thought I was going to see Dan Campbell get himself a long suspension, looked like he was about to choke the Ref, that's not normal body language for most coaches I see on the sidelines, maybe an Asst comes unglued at times but most head coaches do not let that type of emotion get the better of them which I believe something unfolded there we will never quite fully understand but I think DC knew it was horse **** and considering the time of the game and situation, just adds up to something went terribly wrong with how the Refs handled the end of that football game.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

And I also don't think the Lions should have gone for 2 points from the 2 yd-line, even that felt reckless IMHO.
But then they had it...and then they didn't and even with a life preserver thrown out in the form of still being able to tie the football game, coach turned his nose up.

 

[Anarchy99]

And I also don't think the Lions should have gone for 2 points from the 2 yd-line, even that felt reckless IMHO.
But then they had it...and then they didn't and even with a life preserver thrown out in the form of still being able to tie the football game, coach turned his nose up.

The part that rubbed me the wrong way was many people saying the Lions should have won the game but were cheated out of it. The play that was run was blatantly unfair to both teams. The play shouldn't have counted, the flag should have been picked up, and DET should have had a do over from the 2-yard line. Lots of things could have happened from that point. DET could have failed on the try and lost, they could have gotten the 2 points and won, or DAL could have gotten into FG range and won with a long FG. But awarding the Lions two points and the victory on an unfair conversion attempt should not have been one of the outcomes under consideration.

 

[Chaos34]

I'm a Cowboys fan, but I'm old and a little ambivalent about sports these days. I usually wait for someone else to make some point I agree with and just keep my mouth shut, but here's how it felt from my perspective.

The ref screwed up, of course. I don't care if Detroit was or wasn't trying to confuse things with an extra body or two near the ref. The ref who declared Skipper eligible should be fired. I can't blame the whole crew for that. It is clear as day Decker is reporting and kind of clear the ref was too something (stupid, lazy, confused, incompetent, corrupt, exhausted), and just blew the announcement. Should be fired. Too much on the line for that mistake.

BUT... as soon as I saw the replay it felt like Dallas got screwed. Seriously, and again my perspective, as a Dallas fan in real time. Here's why. In all the commotion, I was paying attention to the D on the replays. They were having nothing of the tackle eligible idea. Bell and Kearse were communicating, pointing to Skipper, who they were told was eligible and boxing him in. He had no chance. Had Decker been properly announced, he had no chance. It would have been Bell and Wilson boxing him in. Maybe, just maybe, Goff goes through progressions and finds a second option. But that is not how the play was designed. It was roll right, turn and throw left to the tricky eligible guy. The way Decker ran his route? No way that play works. Game over. Dallas wins.

So now what? They have to defend the conversion attempt twice? Fine. They should have already won if not for the ref, but wth, at least it's at the 7 for the bogus extra play. So the Lion's run another easy to stop play. Bell intercepts it. Whew, justice, but we all saw Parsons go offsides. Wth. Three shots at this, just great. I shake my head and laugh. Dallas is screwed by this nonsense ending. Detroit gonna win this - my thinking in real time. But nope. Goff throws a bit outside on a good play call, but Kearse is right there for the stop anyway. Dodged a bullet. Move along.