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treat88
Footballguy
He is absolutely that good.At this point, pre-combine, he compares very favorably to Willis.Impact starter from Day 1 in the right situation.
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lyon812
Footballguy
I'm hoping he's available between picks 9-12 in multiple leagues, and I think there's a good shot at it. He excelled in the 3-4 and there are a lot of 3-4 teams that could use a middle LB. I wouldn't be surprised if KC took him at the 5-spot, or Cleveland at 7 (though Cleveland's probably more likely to go for Haden or Berry).
Warpig
Footballguy
He kinda reminds me of Curtis Lofton. THough Lofton was more of a tackle machine. McClain appears to be a quick study and is good at breaking down an offense. I like smart football players.
Maybe the reason he reminds me of Lofton is because I got the same feeling in my gut about his talents. Someone definitely to target.
Maybe the reason he reminds me of Lofton is because I got the same feeling in my gut about his talents. Someone definitely to target.
Birdie048
Footballguy
I am in the same situation.... but I don't need LB help (Cooper, Cushing, Ruud, Orakpo & Poz). But it's hard to pass on his talent. I am hoping he drops to me at 1.09, but I might pull the trigger at 1.06 anyway.From what I saw of him in the SEC Championship & National Championship, he has the talent to be Top 5 LB Rookie Year if he lands in the right situation... Some early Mock Drafts have him landing in Clev at 1.07. With D'Q Jackson and Barton both coming off IR, I don't see them needing more LB help but other issues on Offense as a priority (OL & TE). Denver is another landing spot. With Andre Davis getting up in years and Dumerville not living up to expectaitons, maybe Denver is more likely and a better fit. They started the year with a solid D. If they can pick that up again, he would be 1st round value there.... just my thoughts.
ninerfanatic492000
Footballguy
i guess if he broke the sack record maybe that would have met expectations
Birdie048
Footballguy
Maybe I was not clear..... I have the 1.06 and I am a fan of McClain and I am strongly considering him. Thus I am looking to move a LB for an upgrade at WR and have McClain to replace him.
As for Denver LB expectations compared to how they started the season, there was a let down somewhere. Elvis started the season great with something like 21 tackles, 3 FF, 2 Pass defended & 8 sacks in the first 6 games (until the Bye break). Great numbers (both in NFL & fantasy worlds). It was 17+ pt/gm in my scoring.
Then he totaled 17 tackles the rest of the season. Granted he did get another 8.5 sacks, but his overall numbers were down. Here he averaged 6.6 pt/gm.
That to me was not living up to expectations from how he started the season.
As for Denver LB expectations compared to how they started the season, there was a let down somewhere. Elvis started the season great with something like 21 tackles, 3 FF, 2 Pass defended & 8 sacks in the first 6 games (until the Bye break). Great numbers (both in NFL & fantasy worlds). It was 17+ pt/gm in my scoring.
Then he totaled 17 tackles the rest of the season. Granted he did get another 8.5 sacks, but his overall numbers were down. Here he averaged 6.6 pt/gm.
That to me was not living up to expectations from how he started the season.
J Giles Band
Footballguy
I don't care what context you try to put it in... merely suggesting a player tallying 16.5 sacks in a season didn't live up to expectations is utter lunacy. Sorry, I can't even begin to sugarcoat it.
Dumerville's numbers the first 6 games were wholly unsustainable, statistically speaking. And his 8.5 sacks in his last 10 games would be considered elite pash rusher level had he not tallied a single sack prior to that.
Stick with your Rolando McClain draft plan. Your suggestions regarding him were making sense until you brought up Dumerville... and then
Toads
Footballguy
K.C. Joiner did a nice review of McClain at the ESPN Insider:
1) watched six games of film, and
2) marveled at how "beyond the curve" McClain was in one game (Kentucky), and at
3) how ordinary he was in five other games (Mississippi, Mississippi State, LSU, Tennessee and South Carolina) .
Evidently he's not a fundamentally strong tackler, prefering to "grab and yank" instead of using proper taclkling fundamentals. His head is not in the games as he can be diverted from the purpose at times. His POA (Point of Attack) percentage, excluding the Kentucky game, was "a meager 13.0%."
Just so you know.
1) watched six games of film, and
2) marveled at how "beyond the curve" McClain was in one game (Kentucky), and at
3) how ordinary he was in five other games (Mississippi, Mississippi State, LSU, Tennessee and South Carolina) .
Evidently he's not a fundamentally strong tackler, prefering to "grab and yank" instead of using proper taclkling fundamentals. His head is not in the games as he can be diverted from the purpose at times. His POA (Point of Attack) percentage, excluding the Kentucky game, was "a meager 13.0%."
Just so you know.
Grimace59
Footballguy
That was an interesting read, tells allot about the kid. He has the smarts but maybe not the full motivation, but he's also young , but very smart, so... "The Football Scientist Lab Result: This can go either way. McClain has tremendous physical characteristics and when he is on his game, he can be nearly unstoppable. If a team drafts him too high with this in mind, he would be worthy of an overhyped label. If a team drafts him with the understanding that he may need consistent motivating and a lot of tackling drill work, the move would be worthy of the TFS seal of approval."K.C. Joiner did a nice review of McClain at the ESPN Insider:
1) watched six games of film, and
2) marveled at how "beyond the curve" McClain was in one game (Kentucky), and at
3) how ordinary he was in five other games (Mississippi, Mississippi State, LSU, Tennessee and South Carolina) .
Evidently he's not a fundamentally strong tackler, prefering to "grab and yank" instead of using proper taclkling fundamentals. His head is not in the games as he can be diverted from the purpose at times. His POA (Point of Attack) percentage, excluding the Kentucky game, was "a meager 13.0%."
Just so you know.
Depending on how the combine, work outs and the draft goes I still feel very confident at drafting him at 1.10.
thatguy
Footballguy
Elvis is an RFA I believe. I'm pretty sure Denver will find a way to keep him - it's even possible that they franchise him. They should have the money to lock down both him and Orton for at least the '10 season (which I believe are their two biggest priorities - don't ask me why) given that they are likely trading Marshall and letting Scheffler walk. The only other guy they may want to throw some money at is OG Chris Kuper, but even that is beginning to seem unlikely given that they are moving to a pure power running scheme.But it's irrelevant to the discussion as Elvis is an OLB/DE hybrid edge rusher while McClain is a pure ILB. Your point about Andra Davis is apt. He played well this season but it's not out of the question for Denver to start looking for an upgrade/replacement.
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DesmondBishop
Footballguy
Andra Davis is an average NFL linebacker at best, he may have been good 5 years ago, but that was then, this is now, I would be very surprised if they do not at least try to replace him. I have also read (Per Adam Schefter) that Miami may try making a play for Elvis, he would fit their scheme nicely and be the beastly edge rusher they need. http://theredzone.org/BlogDescription.aspx?EntryId=2749
Could Dumervil be on Dolphins radar?
1/24/2010 10:34:43 AM
Adam Schefter of ESPN reports new Dolphins defensive coordinator Mike Nolan brings 3-4 defense to Miami, along with knowledge of Broncos free agent LB Elvis Dumervil. The restricted free agent could be on the Dolphins radar.
Dumervil came out in the same draft as No. 1 overall pick Mario Williams. Since then, Williams has 39.5 sacks, Dumervil 43. Dumervil is also from Miami.
thatguy
Footballguy
Re: Davis, I agree for the most part. He is not remotely special, but I do believe he had a solid season. IMO Denver has bigger needs than replacing him, but again it's not out of the question that they consider it.Re; Doom to Miami, assuming Denver tenders him instead of franchising/resigning him, they will obviously put the highest tender on him. I wonder if Miami would be willing to give up a first and a third for him? No way in hell Denver simply lets him walk.
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DesmondBishop
Footballguy
I agree on both accounts, he had a solid season for a declining LB but so has Dhani Jones for the Bengals the past couple seasons, but I see him being replaced next year as well, the Bengals already have the replacement on their team (Rey Maualuga, of course now he has legal issues to deal with over his DUI).thatguy said:
which teams are the ideal situations for McClain to land in? Which ones scream "avoid him in early rounds of IDP draft"?
I also seem to remember similar hype about Aaron Curry, and look how that turned out. He got drastically outplayed by a rookie SLB and a part-time rookie DE
I also seem to remember similar hype about Aaron Curry, and look how that turned out. He got drastically outplayed by a rookie SLB and a part-time rookie DE
Grimace59
Footballguy
Curry is an OLB, and nobody really saw him as a top tier LB IDP leagues. McClain is an Inside Backer and will be the leader of the defense. McClain is smart and has on field insticts, Curry is just a freaking beast physically.
Ideal places would be Denver, or Miami in their 3-4 Def. I may stay away if he lands in Oakland, or some big red flag comes up at the Combine/Indivdual workouts.
Ideal places would be Denver, or Miami in their 3-4 Def. I may stay away if he lands in Oakland, or some big red flag comes up at the Combine/Indivdual workouts.
DesmondBishop
Footballguy
Looks like they thought Andra was to average as well. I think at this point only Elvis and DJ have secure spots right?
Saints-Man
Footballguy
Grimace59
Footballguy
I have dropped him down my boards since I saw this post. My sister has Crohns and for a year it almost killed her till she got it under control, but it still affects her life. No longer a 1st rounder in my eyes (in Fantasy Rookie drafts I mean), heres to hopeing he drops to the mid 2nd round.
CaptainCrunch
Footballguy
Crohn's disease is a pretty serious condition and unfortunately one that has no cure, although it can be managed with diet/medication, but complications can certainly arise from time to time. It is a shame to hear McClain suffers from this and have heard it is a difficult condition to deal with. I would certainly think this can/could affect his week in/ week out abilities and becomes a much higher risk for NFL teams (as well as fantasy teams).
He was pretty high on my rookie board, since I think that the rookie IDP's from a fantasy perspective are fairly underwhelming. Not really seeing any future Willis, Beason, Poz, etc. Maybe an OLB or two that I like but no one that I could see spending a pick on in the first 3 rounds. There is some top notch DT's and a lot of depth there and maybe a few secondary players, but these are not areas that are going to really help anyone's fantasy team.
He was pretty high on my rookie board, since I think that the rookie IDP's from a fantasy perspective are fairly underwhelming. Not really seeing any future Willis, Beason, Poz, etc. Maybe an OLB or two that I like but no one that I could see spending a pick on in the first 3 rounds. There is some top notch DT's and a lot of depth there and maybe a few secondary players, but these are not areas that are going to really help anyone's fantasy team.
CaptainCrunch
Footballguy
Good point- while I am not a doctor I do believe that the disease can cause fatigue, arthritis, dehydration, abdominal pain, and diarrhea. My understanding is there are also different types of Crohn's disease and each individual may experience different and varying degrees of symptoms. The NFL is whole level above college though. Not sure if the excess rigors of the NFL would make for further complications or not. David Garrard has managed to play with the disease with no apparrent effect, of course the physical demands of QB and LB are different. I don't it would downgrade him significantly, but is certainly an added risk - just like NFL teams -to consider where/when to draft him.
Warhogs
Footballguy
I'm no doctor so just wondering out loud here. I wonder if it is more easily controlled when you are talking about an NFL player whose team has a medical staff to continually monitor him (not sure if this would be by blood tests or something else)? In the case of most of us a level of medicine would be established and you might not go back to the doctor for 3-6 months unless you were feeling effects you did not anticipate.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
It never hurts to have the weight of the league's medical staff behind you. I'm not aware that each team has it's own primary care doctor to manage cases like this; I'd guess that the majority of the medical staffs include orthopedists, etc. McClain will surely have a very good GI specialist monitoring him in conjunction with a primary care doctor. They'll be the ones following his medications and, if/when necessary, testing. There are different levels of severity of Crohn's disease. Some cases can be managed with dietary changes and medications. That seems to be the case so far with McClain, who's said he takes a handful of pills a day to help minimize flareups. Other cases are more severe and can involve arthritis and bowel obstruction requiring surgery to remove part of the intestine. It would appear that McClain's disease hasn't been severe so far. It's certainly reassuring for his future, football and otherwise, that no reports of a severe and significant flareup have surfaced. Over time, however, the majority of patients with Crohn's have a flareup that necessitates surgical intervention. There are side effects of some medications that could potentially cause issues (increased risk of infection and bleeding with some meds) as well. Overall, McClain carries more risk because of his illness, but can certainly still have a long and productive career.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
This is what happened to Garrard. He had a foot and a half of his intestines removed after losing a ton of weight. He played the next year though. He actually said he probably could have just managed it and lived with it if he weren't for the physical demands of football.
Grimace59
Footballguy
Crohns runs in my family. My Mom has but it has been dormant her entire life, no flair ups, but my sister had a couple feet removed, and put heavy steroids for over a year when it hit her. It depends on each person.
I wonder how it will affect McClain, you can use Garrard as a reference, but playing LB takes a much heavier toll on a person that QB does.
I wonder how it will affect McClain, you can use Garrard as a reference, but playing LB takes a much heavier toll on a person that QB does.
DynastyFantasyFan
Footballguy
McClain will be good and he has a chance to be a Patrick Willis type producer, but don't annoint him just yet. I wouldn't take any LB in the first round of a dynasty draft. There are about 13 to 15 offensive players that I would take before him. That being said, he should be your first LB off the board. He's fast, agile and strong, although it surprised me that he did less than 20 reps of 225 on bench at the combine, needs to build his upper body more.
