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Yes. I recall watching Michael when he did get a chance to play due to other RB being injured and he just never developed the vision to identify the right holes and take advantage of them.
That's true, and if Charbonnet turns out to be Forsett/Washington/Turbine/Michael etc it will remain true.
Curious, what do you think Walker could have done on that same play?
As the CEO of the Walker fan club, even I will say it's a long season. Walker needs to do better.
Feeling like I don't want to be called a "Charber".
I spent a 10th on the guy in redraft but I’m considering a drop because I expected some immediate returns in the form of a flex starter as I waited for his role to increase. If game one is any indication, Charbonnet is strictly a premium handcuff and probably has no value beyond that this season. I can sustain one or two rb handcuffs on my bench but I need guys I can plug in sometimes at flex as well, and he’s likely not going to be that for me this year.
It's not like Walker did anything either - Seattle had an awful offensive day. I don't know we can read much into one week - but with that said in redraft sometimes you have to cut bait quickly so you don't miss the hot waiver adds so I can't blame you.
Rest assured that the moment I drop Charbonnet, Petey Sunshine will have a complete about face with his RB personnel usage strategy and feature him, or Walker will get hurt in practice the next day. You’re welcome, Charbonnet owners.
Obviously everything is based on roster size, but i sure as hell wouldn't drop him for the week 1 waiver darling. Walker is the guy but has also had injury issues. Walker goes down Charbs is a rock solid rb2 with massive upside. That's worth more in most cases then picking up the yearly Kevin Ogletree.
Full disclosure, I own ZC in all of my leagues. I'm not about to turn into a Charbonnet apologist though. I see much more game scripts like this I'll drop him. I play in redraft or keeper, not dynasty although in dynasty ZC could easily become a roster clogger for 3 years.
Barring injury or injury concern, players aren't "saved" for future seasons. Bottom line, Kenneth Walker looked leaps and bounds better than either of his backups and every time he took a breather (forced or otherwise), Seattle's drives stalled. It's clear KWIII needs to be their bell cow back. Ride him until he breaks. It's one game, don't panic, but don't ignore what you see either.
Wonder if I am still blocked by octopus?
64 yards on 12 carries shouldn't be discounted. Walker was effective as a runner, not as a receiver though. The Seahawks got taken out of their game plan
The question is whether or not Charbonnet would produce, or even be the lead back if Ken Walker were abducted by aliens tomorrow. I just don't see it, not yet. Maybe he'll get up to speed but good running backs tend to jump off the screen for me from carry #1. Charbonnet looks slow and upright. Not a great combo to be a successful NFL RB. Maybe I'm wrong, heck, I hope I'm wrong. I own this guy everywhere.
Week 1, week 10, week 17, I really don't care. I know what I saw, and what I saw was a slow upright runner that will never get through NFL holes playing that way. Is it fixable? Maybe? Is it mental? Maybe? It's week 1 you're right, but I can't ignore what I saw either. TBH as a Charb/Walker owner in a lot of leagues, I'm more worried about what I saw with Geno than anything else. If he didn't play poorly down the stretch last season, I might right it off as one bad game but it's starting to look like last season may have been an anomaly and if they can't throw, they can't run, and they certainly can't win. I'm not dropping Charbonnet at this point, I spent too much to acquire him, but I'm starting to think the Seahawks made a colossal mistake drafting him in round 2.
I think the question was who would produce and what the split would look like if both were healthy.
A 3rd rounder? The 3 carries matter when looking at the bigger picture. The fact you'd only give a 3rd for a guy that was a 1st round pick a few months ago says it all. You don't believe, either.
I have no idea how this season will play out.
You make a good point, but in limited action last season Walker looked juiced. It says a lot that he blew up the thought of a real timeshare after getting the full time role. He also started the season off hurt after being expected to split to open, so there's a big difference. Charb just looks stuck in mud in the NFL. Maybe that's due to some unknown factor and he'll get up to speed. I hope that's it. I own both. Walker because what I saw him do in the draft. Charbonnet because of what I saw in college as well as his combine. FWIW, Walker was a much better college RB as well.
Having an opinion based on what I've seen (not just the 3 carries), and reacting to that opinion too early are two different things. I'm not ready to give up but I'm much less hopeful.
Walker did A LOT when you compare them side by side. KW looked good, too.
I believe Walker is more talented and that Pete in Seahwaks tenure has never been a real rbbc guy. In fact he has only given 10 or more carries to 2 rbs like 3 times (eta in the same game) or something silly.
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Not much of a battle.
Yes, but obviously things could change. That's the NFL.
I agree, which raises the obvious question. Why the hell did the Seahawks take him in round 2 when they have so many holes on defense?
Lot of GMs are married to their board no matter what position/depth. Both picks from Seattle were far from need but as we've seen injuries happen. So better to have good players ready to contribute if needed than bad players who are lousy no matter what.
