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I have hyde, i wonder if i should drop L Miller for Chubb at this point.. hmmm
A couple weeks ago he also said Duke Johnson will get more carries.Nick Chubb - RB - Browns
Speaking Monday, Browns coach Hue Jackson said Nick Chubb "has to get some."
"(Carlos) Hyde is playing well, but this guy is scoring touchdowns from long ways away," Jackson said. "We have good backs. We know that. Sometimes it is going to be hit and miss where some other guy is making it happen and then the other guy goes in and does it." Chubb is a freak athlete big-play threat who could certainly change the pace for the better in the Browns' offense. It's still extremely unlikely he comes into standalone fantasy value as long as Hyde is healthy. Hyde, of course, has an extensive injury history. Chubb is a must stash in all formats.
Source: Cleveland Plain Dealer
Oct 2 - 3:45 PM
https://www.cleveland.com/expo/sports/erry-2018/10/fdfb7c93844269/antonio-callaway-will-dial-it.html
Yeah its sad. Technically he didn't put Mayfield in until Tyrod was knocked out of the game. He can take no credit for that victory. Dumb luck for Hue or they are still winless. He gives Chubb 2-3 carries whether he gets 1 yard or 100 yards. He should have feed him more with that lead and at least given him a chance in the 5th quarter vs a tired defense and a fresh Chubb with only 3 carries to his name. It's really sad, but like he says, "It's his show until it ain't." Let's hope ain't comes sooner rather than later. He can take Hyde and Duke with him to his next disaster.A couple weeks ago he also said Duke Johnson will get more carries.
https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/09/hue_jackson_wants_duke_johnson.html
Yeah right. And we all know what Hue says ends up being BS because he will ride Hyde until injured. That's the way Hue is. Look at Tyrod Taylor. He had Mayfield sitting on the bench knowing that his entire offense is elevated if Baker starts.
I pretty much expected this. Those who followed the draft already knew Chubb has good metrics. But talent does not matter to Hue Jackson. He only stumbled onto the Baker mania being forced to play him after Tyrod sustained an injury. Hue Jackson reminds me of Bengals HC Marvin Lewis. Both I am not a fan of. Both who covet veterans over rookies no matter how much talent jumps off the page. Lewis did the same thing to Mixon last year.Brian Spoon @BrianSpoon
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Through 4 games:
5:53 AM - 2 Oct 2018
- Nick Chubb: 10 carries, 6 missed tackles forced, 3 runs of >15 yds
- Carlos Hyde: 83 carries, 7 missed tackles forced, 2 runs of >15 yds
No way dude.I have hyde, i wonder if i should drop L Miller for Chubb at this point.. hmmm
This is the reaction right now I have as well, but I could easily see by Halloween looking back at this going “holy #### you didn’t drop stinky Lamar Miller for Nick Chubb!” If Hyde goes down Chubb is an instant monster every week.No way dude.
I disagree. Of course you should. Miller is toast. I have also and plan to drop his useless ###No way dude.
I mean, don't you have another player you can drop besides a starting RB on a young and talented offense? Yeah, IF Chubb can get substantial carries he could be a league winner but Miller does have that opportunity now. I don't have Miller in any leagues, so he was not a targeted player of mine. I do have Chubb in almost every league but I still wouldn't drop Miller now for Chubb. Hyde is the starter and I don't think that changes soon. As a Chubb owner I HOPE I'm wrong of course but right now Miller has tons of opportunities so he's a no brainer.Widbil83 said:This is the reaction right now I have as well, but I could easily see by Halloween looking back at this going “holy #### you didn’t drop stinky Lamar Miller for Nick Chubb!” If Hyde goes down Chubb is an instant monster every week.
Too agg, IMO. Go and pick up a Rod Smith or Malcom Brown for free. Chubb is in that category in redraft for me.Is $26 of $95 a bit aggressive or not aggressive enough? Should I go with 1 or 2 more sprays of Drakkar Noir?
Those guys you mentioned are in the rostered category for me ... Debating if I should use my Saphire points & come in over the top before it’s too lateToo agg, IMO. Go and pick up a Rod Smith or Malcom Brown for free. Chubb is in that category in redraft for me.
Probably not aggressive enough. I say go like 40. We're at week 5 and not many other players gonna be worth high dollars. Can't take your bid dollars into next season.Is $26 of $95 a bit aggressive or not aggressive enough? Should I go with 1 or 2 more sprays of Drakkar Noir?
I 2nd that motionsjdogs said:I disagree. Of course you should. Miller is toast. I have also and plan to drop his useless ###
Pre-injury he absolutely was. The biggest question is how close to his pre-injury form he can get to.
I would go further and say pre-injury Chubb was better than Barkley, not on par. Only *now* he is on par. If he gets to pre-injury form he is the best RB in class from a pure natural runner perspective. Chubb tore the PCL, LCL and MCL in his left knee and suffered cartilage damage too. If he had never gone down to injury I believe he would have been drafted before Barkley and more importantly broke Walker's records (named best college football player of the last 50 years and greatest of all time in ESPN coaches poll). Just my opinion. Come this October 10, he will be 3 years removed from his horrible injury. I don't think he was fully recovered the rest of his college career, but now ... its getting real close to 100%. No disrespect to Barkley who is a specimen on his own merits.I won’t disagree with you but I was responding to someone who was speaking in the PRESENT tense.
Chubb is simply a much more talented runner. And CLE's OL is playing at a higher level. This is a no-brainer IMO.Plan to drop Penny for Chubb myself.
Both backups, but Chubb seems to have the more breakout potential IMO
not calling ppl out, but someone decided to call him a plodder not too long ago
Right now, NIck Chubb can't block but Hyde can.He can do everything Hyde can do.
No, no, noooo he did not only miss one block on a punt.Chubb missed ONE block on a punt. In what, his 1st/2nd game ever in the NFL?
Relax.
If they put him out there, it was because he'd shown he can at least block to a degree.
You keep harping that point like he has blown 100 of them
I haven't seen him in pass protection, but the scouting reports on him said he could block. Not as good as Michel, but good for a rookie.Right now, NIck Chubb can't block but Hyde can.
The scouting reports also said he was slow.I haven't seen him in pass protection, but the scouting reports on him said he could block. Not as good as Michel, but good for a rookie.
Also, it's not like Hyde is a stud pass blocker. He led the league last year with 13 pressures given up.
I don't recall any reputable scouting report saying he was slow. Scouting reports do matter if they are accurate and I don't think we can say they should all be thrown out. If the scouting reports say he can block, I'm inclined to believe them.The scouting reports also said he was slow.
Doesn't matter what scouting reports say once a rookie steps onto an NFL field.
That kid has to prove he can pass protect before he is trusted with protecting the franchise.
Your interpretation of what is or isn't reputable isn't a standard I choose to agree with. I know what I see.I don't recall any reputable scouting report saying he was slow. Scouting reports do matter if they are accurate and I don't think we can say they should all be thrown out. If the scouting reports say he can block, I'm inclined to believe them.
You conveniently ignored the second point in my post: Hyde is nothing special when it comes to blocking. You are acting like one guy is bad and the other is great. That's just not true.
Also, you are acting like Baker Mayfield is Tom Brady. What is this nonsense about protecting him like a porcelain doll? Baker is young and mobile. He is not old and fragile. The Browns need all the help they can get and they are not going to win by putting games on the back of a rookie QB. They need the run game to keep defenses honest. If we were talking about Brady or Rodgers, I'd wholeheartedly agree with you, but we're talking about a mobile rookie QB.
Slow? Lol, where did you get that from? Nobody thought that except some idiots on FBG after watching a couple of preseason carries.The scouting reports also said he was slow.
Doesn't matter what scouting reports say once a rookie steps onto an NFL field.
That kid has to prove he can pass protect before he is trusted with protecting the franchise.
No, you don't have to highlight everything I say, but it's just lazy analysis and disingenuous to retort with something that barely skims the surface of what the other person said. You basically said, now that Chubb has played 4.6% of his team's snaps in 4 games, we can throw out scouting reports because some scouting report somewhere called him slow (while also ignoring that Hyde isn't a standout in pass pro). Obviously you need to reevaluate the scouts you read, but also consider not being so quick to throw out observations from larger sample sizes than what we've seen of him as a pro. 4.6% of 4 games is a laughably small sample size. If you are going to rely on your own eyeball test, at least wait for a larger sample.Your interpretation of what is or isn't reputable isn't a standard I choose to agree with. I know what I see.
Browns Film Room: RB Nick Chubb’s weaknesses areas of Chubb’s game that are weaknesses ... is not a great blocker ... he looks sort of lost on whom he should block. His slow recognition ... Chubb is not in a position to help in any way Sony Michel is a projected higher draft pick than Nick Chubb ...Kiper also thinks Michel will be a higher pick than Chubb, and he explained why. “Late in the year, it was Sony Michel who was the key guy,” Kiper said. “The pass blocking of Michel is better than Chubb. ...
Sorry I don't have to highlight everything you say. I know Hyde isn't great at pass pro and he's blown assignments but he's better than Chubb.
Mayfield is the franchise of the Cleveland Browns and he has to be protected and that isn't up for debate.
Chubb is not going to used in pass protection until he shows he can be trusted to protect Baker Mayfield.
Have you even heard of the Cleveland Browns and how long they've been looking for a franchise QB?
Do you think that only Tom Brady is deserving of pass protection?
Everything about the Browns season has been about getting things ready for Mayfield to take over. That is why Tyrod was the starter, because we had an UDFA rookie starting at LT and we needed to make sure he got up to speed before Mayfield was ever going to see the field. The injury to Taylor is why the plan got ramped up but that rookie LT is playing well, actually great.
The coaches aren't going to give Chubb any assignments where he would have to protect Mayfield and that is why he wasn't being used.
They are going to use him more now but the defense is going to read it and key on him because they know it won't be a pass. He's got to improve his pass-pro even though he's a better runner than Hyde because even though Hyde isn't a great in pass-pro he is better than Chubb and the season for the Browns is all about Baker Mayfield's development.
It's all about scheme and assignments. I recall reading that Sproles, who played a ton of 3rd down for the Saints, was only asked to block on 5% of his snaps that season. Teams and dink and dunk don't need it as much. Teams that use their QB's mobility to roll out for deep passes don't need it as much. Teams with pocket QBs that have more air yards per attempt will use their RBs in protection more. Example. I don't know enough about the Browns' offense to say what their needs are, but from what I've read there isn't some glaring delta between Hyde's pass blocking and Chubb's. Hyde is currently better, but it isn't night and day.Slow? Lol, where did you get that from? Nobody thought that except some idiots on FBG after watching a couple of preseason carries.
Please go look at some blocking grades on pro football focus and then tell me blocking is crucial. I have and Imo it's way overanalyzed. Most rbs are terrible and they play every week.
Penny has let himself get out of shapeI regret not taking Chubb and taking Penny with my 1.03 rookie pick. I bought into the PFF hype.
You lose.Bracie Smathers is a Hyde owner -- guaranteed.
You basically said throw out all scouting reports because one of them was bad enough to call him slow (and then you linked some rando scouting report to help your other point!). I was saying throw out the obvious crap scouting reports, but use the ones that actually utilized his large sample of college snaps to scout his pass protection. See the difference? You seem to have a problem where you can only view things black or white. Everything is binary to you. You don't have to throw all ALL scouting reports just because you saw one bad one. The internet is great, but it also means there's a low barrier to entry. There's going to be a lot of crap out there. It's our job to weed out the worthwhile info from the people who don't know what they're talking about. Anyone calling him slow or questioning his quickness can be thrown out.You say that I cannot discount scouting reports and then say ignore these scouting reports in the second paragraph.
He's terrible in pass protection. He doesn't stay with his blocks even though he's got the size and strength, footwork, athleticism so TO ME it sure as hell looks like a lack of effort or sheer laziness. What do you see with his pass protection? If you say that only 5% of snaps isn't enough then its not enough to say he should get more carries now isn''t it. BS, its enough to see and make an observation.
Slide scale pass protection? Are you an expert on the number or on which hits can harm a rookie QB?
I helped someone build an extension on his house, he had a house warming party and I noticed he left out a support in a tight corner of the outside steps that would rarely get stepped on. Everyone was having a great time and I pointed that out and got derisive laughs from the circle of guys drinking beers together when he said: "How many times will anyone step on that one spot where it would give way?"
I said: 'ONCE!'
His face got white and he said. "He's right."
He left the party, got the support and we put it right there. He looked at me with a smile and shook his head proudly and we all went back to partying.
It only takes one hit and Chubb came with many reports saying he is a poor pass protector and that is what he's shown so-far with the Browns.
If you don't agree that Tyrod was starting because the LT, and many other things that I didn't bother to mention because this is a Nick Chubb thread was the primary reason then its no skin off my nose but if you think for one crazy second that getting that LT up to speed wasn't a major reason why Mayfield wasn't starting then you're nuts.
Chubb wasn't starting because he was clueless in pass protection and he isn't going to be the third down pass catching RB because he ain't beating out Duke Johnson who knows pass-pro and can catch and even run to keep the D off balance when called upon. Chubb earned more carries but he's not going to take over till he learns pass pro.
Mayfield said he has weekly projects planned for the five-week break. He started at rookie camp learning and then refining how he takes the snap from center, then progressed to learning playcalls and the system. Now he said he's refining the details.
"Something I always need to be focused on is protection," he said. "I'm going to continue to learn those, know I can put myself in a good spot to where I don't have to worry about blitzes. ... So I'm not looking at the rush. I can look down the field and read coverages.
"For me that's the biggest next step I can take."
I think Hue Jackson is just dumb to be honest. If Tyrod were still healthy he would be out there running from D linemen. Its probably not some smart decision by Hue keeping him off the field because even if he couldn't pass block with his talent running you would give him at least 10 carries and just run when he comes in. That hasn't even been tried. Kid deserved at least one handoff in the 5th quarter last game after what he shown.The scouting reports also said he was slow.
Doesn't matter what scouting reports say once a rookie steps onto an NFL field.
That kid has to prove he can pass protect before he is trusted with protecting the franchise.