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RB Isaiah Spiller, LAC (2 Viewers)
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rockaction
Footballguy
Second rounder, huh?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I guess it’s mostly based on his poor testing. Looks like a decent runner to me. Wouldn’t be shocked with him sticking around the league for a long time albeit never as a team’s top back.
Boston
Footballguy
it is but I feel like I fall for this spot every year…first Jackson, then Kelly and then Rountree…now, I think Spiller is a far better prospect and I really like the pick and value of it so it is probably not a fair comp but it does feel a little like Groundhog Day.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
socrates
Footballguy
I think there is room at the Chargers for a RB to earn some work. For all of his accomplishments, Ekeler (who turns 27 this month) has yet to rush for 1,000 yards in a season. However, one of Ekeler's best strengths is his ability as a receiver out of the backfield, and that is going to put a cap on Spiller's fantasy value. Spiller is one of the better receiving backs in this class, but he is not usurping that role from Ekeler. Spiller will get some work as a rotational back for the Chargers, but his real value will only be realized if he gets volume, and barring an Ekeler injury, we are not seeing that anytime soon.
I would draft Spiller to my fantasy squad, but not before the third round now. His value is too speculative.
I would draft Spiller to my fantasy squad, but not before the third round now. His value is too speculative.
Aznflyer14
Footballguy
Agreed and remember, it's all about Justin Herbert. Chargers are committed on maximizing him with every arsenal they can provide. One thing I noticed about Chargers last year is that their RB except Ekeler couldn't punch in the goal-line.socrates said:
Beside the terrible combine results, I like everything about Spiller except for his somewhat tendency to dance behind the scrimmage.
Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
Is does feel like the Chargers have been trying to find a compliment for Ekeler for years. Obviously Rountree and Kelley haven't gotten the job done. Jackson was actually adequate in spurts just hurt often and is now a FA. I think Spiller could have legit value even outside of an injury to Ekeler.
socrates
Footballguy
Agreed. My earlier post that I would not touch Spiller before the third round of rookie fantasy drafts was a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to the draft from me. Prior to the NFL Draft (and even after a poor Combine performance), I had Spiller as no worse than an early second round dynasty pick. He drops to the middle/back end of Round 2 for me due to his lack of day 2 draft capital, but, despite the presence of Ekeler, I don't hate Spiller's draft destination with the Chargers. (If I have Ekeler on my dynasty team, I may be willing to invest even more to get Spiller.) Spiller may not get the volume, especially in the passing game, you would prefer to see (especially in PPR), but he should earn some meaningful touches behind Ekeler this season, and he could be only an Ekeler injury away from weekly fantasy starter numbers. I am still concerned that Spiller's early-career ceiling may be capped, but, with the expanded NFL season, RB depth is increasingly important for NFL teams. Spiller is young and talented, and he is playing for one of the most exciting offenses in the NFL. In what is a weak class of RBs, I will take my chances on Spiller.
dipandglide
Footballguy
That's too high unless it's start one QB. I'll nab him where I can in the late 2nd if he falls. It's a reach otherwise.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Just got him at the 2.07 in my last draft (12 team start 1qb PPR dynasty). I couldn't believe he fell that far. He's not only a great handcuff to Ekeler owners (not me), but carries some standalone value as well. Even if he doesn't work out for me, the 2.07 isn't a great loss. I got him in a couple more leagues in the early 2nd. That's where he seems to be going in start 1qb 12 team leagues.
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sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
^^^Love him at this spot. You're obviously signing up for a waiting game, but he should steadily add value with time. I would hate to see it, but the "league winner" upside if there was an injury is probably worth an early 2nd in this draft. And yeah, could still be an "emergency starter" in 2022 fantasy without anything wild happening.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
You completely understand the dynamics of this. The guy owning Gibson took Brian Robinson at 2.06 before I took the guy who must wait. I was counting on that. IMO Spiller is the better prospect but I could be wrong. It doesn't matter if you get him at 2.07 and he busts, because in the whole scheme of things, busting on a pick at 2.07 won't kill your team long term. I wanted Tyler Allgeier too and he was taken after my pick and I tried trading for that pick, but I think Spiller is the better choice long term. I love Allgeier's landing spot too.
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grateful zed
Footballguy
he feels like another td depended version of mike Alstott or LeRoy Hoard. he could be an rb2/3 for a decade.
looking at him at 2.08.
looking at him at 2.08.
zamboni
Footballguy
Seems more dynamic than that - I think his poor combine metrics are painting a poor picture of his ability.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
and if nothing else, he's skilled as a pass catcher. He can do more than just catch dump offs.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Thought he was another that was injured during the combine.
matuski
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
We shall see, combine was poor and teams weren’t in a big rush to draft him. He certainly had some big moments at A+M.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
The agent said he had an abdominal injury which limited his training for the combine. Of course he said this after Spiller had a dismal combine. The agent said everyone will see what kind of player he really is at the pro day. He ran even slower at the pro day. Make of that what you will.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Hey @Ilov80s none of this is directed at you, just responding because I have been reading through this thread and doing some other brief
IDK, maybe it was an abdominal muscle and maybe it was just agent speak, but I see guys docked for poor athletic testing when they were injured and it is (often) as though it doesn't matter to evaluators (including in the NFL) whatsoever. Sounds he like he overcame two injuries during this process. I don't think anybody was claiming he was going to run much faster than that anyway. Like what 4.58? People mentioned Bell but Hunt also ran 4.62 IIRC.
Anyway I have cautious optimism but I feel like Spiller is a much higher pedigree than anybody else the Chargers have brought in behind Ekeler in the last few years. I think they want to limit Ekeler's abuse and Spiller is a guy that can come in and do that. As handcuffs go, he is one that should have decent stand alone value. Especially in this offense. Why wouldn't people want more of this offense?
ratbast
Footballguy
He was in the argument of best in class, albeit a low ranking class, when the combine/pro day killed his stock. His draft capital really hurt. Then he went to a team with a bonafide #1 rb., but a great offense.
Now I feel he’s a steal. I’m targeting him. Gus Edwards stats if Eckler stays healthy. It’s a long season. I’m betting he shows up and they use him a ton.
Now I feel he’s a steal. I’m targeting him. Gus Edwards stats if Eckler stays healthy. It’s a long season. I’m betting he shows up and they use him a ton.
I don't read anything into the fact that Spiller played behind Kelly and Rountree tonight. That was expected because it's a three-way competition and he's the rookie.
But although his stats were decent, I thought he looked a bit slow. He had good vision and footwork and was able to make the first guy miss, but he didn't parlay that into darting into the open field for a big gain. He parlayed it into getting tackled by the second guy after another yard or two because he lacked the burst to break away.
Josh Kelly looked slightly better, IMO.
But although his stats were decent, I thought he looked a bit slow. He had good vision and footwork and was able to make the first guy miss, but he didn't parlay that into darting into the open field for a big gain. He parlayed it into getting tackled by the second guy after another yard or two because he lacked the burst to break away.
Josh Kelly looked slightly better, IMO.
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
Drafted him as a cuff to Ekeler, but not sure what to do now. Seems like they'd only sign Michel if they weren't happy with the group they have behind Ekeler.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Overthinking this. Signing him doesn't mean he's better than all or even any of them, it just means he's more valuable than whoever they cut to make roster room. He might end up getting more time than Spiller but that is not the correct thing to infer today from this.
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
Maybe that's the case. Complicating the issue was Spiller's sprained ankle. Curious to get more thoughts as we move forward. We've got big rosters so I can afford to hang on for a weeks at the very least...
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Key word is maybe. It's just too early to know, we don't have any other hints just yet. If you can hold that's definitely the move.
Tau837
Footballguy
As a Chargers fan who follows the team closely, I think Michel is clearly the RB2 to open the season. Health will drive what happens beyond that.
ETA: I would definitely hold Spiller.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Greetings, good stuff.
2022(Redraft): Spiller simply is not ready to start the season and do the things you must do. They cannot jeopardize Herbert on a missed blitz pick up after they've poured several top Draft picks into the OL, this team if they stay healthy should cruise into the Playoffs despite a tough division. They have playmakers on Defense, I do worry a smidge about coaching but I know most of the fan base is on his side gambling on 4th down with this kind of firepower.
Michel is the RB2 and I already released Spiller, drafted him like 15th round last weekend, picked up Drake as he was signing in Baltimore, just felt like the right move this early. Spiller may very well become a factor later in the season but I can only carry 4-5 RBs, decisions had to be made
Appreciate you chiming in from Bolt'ville
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
Appreciate the thoughts. As of now I can hold Michel and Spiller. It's not ideal but these are the cards dealt at the moment. Will stay tuned...
zamboni
Footballguy
Great point. Spiller may still have some potential down the line, but it’s a lot more important to protect the franchise QB - and Michel can do that.
I don’t think we’ve seen the last of Spiller but the time is presumably not now.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Echoing the others: yes, if you can easily hold him, hold him. But I'm definitely not excited about him in redraft. If he git the chance, I think he could excel, but it just doesn't seem like he is likely to get much opportunity this year.
dipandglide
Footballguy
Imagine taking a 4th round RB that most of the NFL passed up on late in the first, early 2nd in dynasty rookie drafts. This is yet another case of people not shifting gears with devy darlings. That list is long if you've been playing in devy/dynasty leagues long enough.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Michel will figure out a way to get cut eventually.
Tau837
Footballguy
Pretty sure he signed a 1 year contract. If so, he won't get cut. He'll just play out the contract.
The Chargers have a cap challenge in 2023, so they may have to let him walk after this season even if he plays well.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Any rumblings on this guy? Curious on why he has not been active so far.
