FairWarning
Footballguy
I think if I had him in dynasty, I would look to move him while he has good value. It’s probably better to sell a year early than late on RBs anyway.
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RB Alvin Kamara, NO (2 Viewers)
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I'm in a keeper league where it's either Alvin or Swift. Was hoping for a little more clarity going into the season.
facook
Footballguy
Swift pretty easily imo. Even if no suspension I think you could make a good argument for Swift.
matuski
Footballguy
TheWinz
Footballguy
I will play devil's advocate here.
2021 - Both play 13 games, Kamara finishes RB9 while Swift finishes RB15
2020 - Kamara finishes RB1 in 15 games; Swift finsishes RB16 in 13 games
2017-2019 - Kamara finishes RB3, RB4, and RB9
Kamara has been in the league 5 years, and his worst finish is RB9. His lifetime average is 20.9 PPR. He has missed only 1 more game than Swift, and that was due to COVID.
If his legal troubles get pushed to 2023 and he plays a full season, will he finish lower than Swift?
I'd add to Kamara's side, that when Winston was the QB, Kamara was RB3 last season. He suffered the double whammy of getting injured himself, and the offense falling apart completely in the fantasy playoffs, where the Saints scored 0 TD's over weeks 15-16. Despite that Kamara was RB6 on a PPG basis. Of course, there are a lot more mouths to feed in No now though.
A point against Swift, is in a small sample size, when Anthony Lynn lost playcalling duties, Swift stopped being featured in the passing game. Swift had 37 receiving yards in 5 games after the playcaller switch. On the flip side, Swift went over 100 rushing yards in 2 of those 5 games, his only 100 yard rushing games of the season.
I prefer Kamara slightly to Swift. I think he's just a more talented player, and is likely on a better offense all things considered. Its pretty close though. Frankly, I'm not looking to draft either.
JoeKappBudGrant
Footballguy
Swift's reduction in the passing game coincided with Decker being lost for the season. If the O-line stays healthy, Swift's receiving numbers will be fine.
[Mensio] Growing Belief Alvin Kamara May Avoid Suspension
https://twitter.com/NickMensio/status/1550553619119882240
https://twitter.com/NickMensio/status/1550553619119882240
-jb-
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I think the silence is the NFL waiting for criminal case to play out which is what they usually do when there’s a criminal element.
I agree, which is kind of why I'm not expecting a suspension, at least not this season, unless Kamara takes a plea deal or something.
wlwiles
Footballguy
I honestly think if no suspension then he's RB4 in PPR, behind only JT, CMC, and Ekeler. In standard I'd put him also behind Henry, Najee, and Dalvin. JMO.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
Got him @ 5.6 in a SF redraft a week or two ago. That's an absolute steal if he doesn't get suspended, which I agree with many of you that I think we're looking at 2023 here.
At the risk of nitpicking, what do you think makes Najee a more appealing option in standard but not PPR? Najee had 74 catches a year ago, do you think Kamara tops that without Brees/Payton?
At 5.6, that's probably a great pick even if he does get suspended.
wlwiles
Footballguy
Fair question. No real basis for this line of thinking, but a bit of a hedge in case Najee's targets last year were inflated due to Ben's decline and weakened arm. Would need to research that a bit more to say definitively - what % of his targets were check-downs vs. designed plays.
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
There was a great footballguys article on this situation before the August 1st date. Looks like the new date is Sept. 29, although I really have no idea what that means in legal terms. Missed having this board last week to read the reactions to this update....
JohnnyU
Footballguy
How is that if he’s suspended a big chunk of the year?
-jb-
Footballguy
I'd take the last five years since that article was written as evidence.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Where did you read a suspension is unlikely?
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
I'm curious as to what the next step is in the legal process on Sept 29. Really tempted to take him at the 1/2 turn, but it's still a big gamble. Apparently there's also a video that has been kept under wraps... so far. If that gets leaked, it could spur the league into action, even if the case gets pushed back. Tough call.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
does anyone really want Kamara on their fantasy team not knowing each week if a TMZ video is leaked and commissioner suspends him ?
what a headache to deal with that EVERY WEEK in 2022 and if its dynasty, knowing he'll almost certainly get games suspended at some point
me? I'll take Ingram and someone's handcuff and use it for leverage when the time is right - that's the play here
what a headache to deal with that EVERY WEEK in 2022 and if its dynasty, knowing he'll almost certainly get games suspended at some point
me? I'll take Ingram and someone's handcuff and use it for leverage when the time is right - that's the play here
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The assumption would obviously be that he's not going to be suspended for a big chunk of this season.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
He's not soft, as in he's not a scaredy-cat. He's soft like gumby where he feels no need to impose his will, rather uses body control and flexibility as a deflection. Angling himself to not assume a direct hit if he can. He's a smart runner in this way. Yet, also, somehow effective at getting an extra yard or two. Compare him to somebody like Derrick Henery or Jonathan Taylor, where they're initiating contact in such a way to flat out level somebody, perhaps you can say he's soft. I disagree.
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Insoxicated
Listening to a lot of Podcasts and this is viewed as the most likely (but not guaranteed) outcome by some of the smartest folks in the game.
If he gets suspended somehow, Ingram is a pretty much free handcuff.
Silver & Black
Footballguy
Every time I see this thread bumped up, I expect some news about his situation. I find it odd that we don't have a better sense as to what is going on with him, good or bad.
-jb-
Footballguy
The LT2 school of body longevity. That dude was public about not taking unnecessary hits. Worked out well for him. #goldjacket
Doug B
Footballguy
The idea is that nothing will be decided legally until after the NFL season and that the NFL will wait until the legal system has weighed in before dealing a suspension.
From what I can tell, the only way Kamara serves a suspension in 2022 is in the scenario Stealthycat poses -- a leaked video. What's tricky about it is that such a video is known to exist. I'm a little surprised it hasn't been leaked by now.
From what I can tell, the only way Kamara serves a suspension in 2022 is in the scenario Stealthycat poses -- a leaked video. What's tricky about it is that such a video is known to exist. I'm a little surprised it hasn't been leaked by now.
Doug B
Footballguy
Eric Dickerson and Walter Payton, too.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
So wrong on this guy.
SDJohnny
Footballguy
It would be very easy to get this out past Feb. 2023. Criminal trials are still backed up in Clark County. It's in Justice Court right now (where all criminal cases start), if it gets bound over to District Court, it will easily be pushed into 2023. The only way this case gets resolved in season is if they reach a plea agreement. There is no way a trial happens within the next Six (6) Months.
Doug B
Footballguy
A man. That affects outcomes, too, for better or worse. There will be no Ray Rice, Kareem Hunt, or college Joe Mixon tape forthcoming, even if the video is leaked.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
The video would have to be pretty bad to impact this. A video of Kamara punching a bouncer or drunk guy at a club isn't moving the needle.
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
Apparently a member of Kamara's group of 4 people punched the guy. Then supposedly Kamara punched the guy 8 times, including once when he was unconscious. This footballguys article explains the situation pretty well, but it's written before the August 1 court date. An update to this article would be fantastic...
www.footballguys.com
Will Alvin Kamara be Suspended in 2022?
What are the legal issues surrounding Alvin Kamara and how does this affect his chances of being suspended this fall?
www.footballguys.com
Stealthycat
Footballguy
in today's world a video of Kamara beating an unconscious man who was hospitalized with injuries and, Kamara has admitted to hitting him
when, not if, that video comes out, what is Goodell to do ? the team ?
Doug B
Footballguy
Nothing's changed, though. No settlement reached. No judgment rendered. No video leaked. It's all in a holding pattern -- and as long as it remains so, Kamara is not at risk of suspension.
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The presence of the video is kind of a weird thing. It seem to be completely known what's on the video -- people who have viewed it have apparently spoken to the press about it. But it's like -- from the league's perspective -- if no one sees the video, then the league doesn't have to act even though the content of the video is known? But if it's leaked, then suddenly the shield is sullied and a suspension has to come down? I know it's been that way with other suspended players (Ray Rice, etc.). Just seems weird when you sit down and think it through.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Is that what happened? I legit don't know.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Just click the thread title.
Doug B
Footballguy
That's a high-level account. It's known that at least one other in Kamara's party (including KC cornerback Chris Lammons) beat the victim after Kamara. It is not known when exactly the victim went unconscious -- that the victim went unconscious is mentioned in the police report, presumably based on the victim's account. The number of blows Kamara landed has been reported from three to eight.
EDIT: This gives a good overview of what's publicly known. It's from late February, but so far as I know nothing more has come out since.
I didn't recall this until I went looking for it last night, but apparently all public information about what's on the video comes solely from the local police report. Both the Vdara Hotel & Casino and the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department have copies of the video. Apparently, the hotel is highly motivated to prevent the video being leaked, and the police won't leak it for legal reasons. Not to say it will never get leaked somehow ... but one has to think TMZ, etc. have already thrown considerable resources at getting a copy and have apparently turned up nothing so far.
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Doug B
Footballguy
I was curious about how long it took for TMZ to get the Ray Rice video from the Revel Casino. From the time Rice struck his fiancée in the elevator until the time TMZ released the tape.
Four days. The altercation took place on 2/15/2014, and TMZ released the Ray Rice tape on 2/19/2014. My memory was that there had been a few months lag before the Rice video was released, but no. There was a lag before the NFL handed down Rice's two-game suspension on 7/25/2014.
So, for Kamara ... we're now six months post-incident. The hotel's hanging on to the tape. The police are keeping a lock on the tape. I would never say never for a leak ... but six months of nothing seems to indicate that a pretty tight lid is in place.
Four days. The altercation took place on 2/15/2014, and TMZ released the Ray Rice tape on 2/19/2014. My memory was that there had been a few months lag before the Rice video was released, but no. There was a lag before the NFL handed down Rice's two-game suspension on 7/25/2014.
So, for Kamara ... we're now six months post-incident. The hotel's hanging on to the tape. The police are keeping a lock on the tape. I would never say never for a leak ... but six months of nothing seems to indicate that a pretty tight lid is in place.
nittanylion
Footballguy
What about the Commissioner's Exempt List? Can't Goodell put him on that list, in relation to even being associated with this incident at any time, regardless of what's going on with the legal proceedings?
Isn't that the axe that we should be worried about falling?
Isn't that the axe that we should be worried about falling?
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
I was looking back to the posts in Feb for the video. I could have sworn there was a link to a video back a few months ago.
In any case, I think he's the ultimate wild card pick. Top 5 PPR finish vs. Low end RB1 with the possibility (on top of the normal injury risks) of vanishing for 6+ weeks.
In any case, I think he's the ultimate wild card pick. Top 5 PPR finish vs. Low end RB1 with the possibility (on top of the normal injury risks) of vanishing for 6+ weeks.
And if that doesn't work, at the top of each page in the thread, there's a button that says "Jump to new".
nittanylion
Footballguy
Can anyone with any solid knowledge of Goodell's authority regarding the Exempt List works please address this? My lack of knowledge about the when and why is the only thing keeping me from drafting Kamara. I know there are 3 criteria. It sounds like Goodell is not held to any kind of structure, review or oversight - basically, as long as the criteria are met, he can just wake up one morning and decide 'exempt', and a player is done...until Goodell decides he's not. Not quite arbitrary, but close to it. I'm a lot more worried about that than the legal process - I'm quite sure that's going to be delayed for a while
I'm much more worried about what appears to me, with my limited knowledge, having to be subject to Goodell's whimsy.
Would be grateful if someone could clear this up.
