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RB Alvin Kamara, NO (2 Viewers)
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JohnnyU
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They probably also make a lot of babies in Duluth due to the cold. Kidding aside, I love the North Shore during the summer. It's a beautiful area and that North Shore drive along lake Superior is one of the tops in the country. However, in the winter it looks like something out of an apocalypse. No thanks.
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JohnnyU
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I go to the Duluth Trading Co. in Red Wing to shop. They have great clothes, especially underwear. They are expensive however, but you can get a good deal when on sale. I bought a flannel coat there when it was on sale and got a great price. It's very warm and thick wool, but looks like a shirt. Perfect for Minnesota when it's around 25 to 35 degrees and you don't want to wear a big coat.
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Hot Sauce Guy
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I checked out the underwear & was shocked at what it cost. But I've heard very good things. If I lived in a colder climate, I'd surely invest in some nut-warming undies.
JohnnyU
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Yes, the underwear is expensive, but the most comfortable underwear you can find anywhere. I have about 6 of them. The commercials aren't bad either.
Anarchy99
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I think the reason folks are suggesting that Vegas was a bad spot to put a franchise does involve the framework and fabric of Vegas. Sure, people can make dumb decisions anywhere. People can drink too much anywhere. And bar room brawls happen anywhere.
But the problem with Vegas is, many of the visitors and people out at night ARE THERE to make bad decisions, almost everywhere is someplace to get in trouble, and there is an abundance of other high rollers (athletes, entertainers, celebrities, business moguls, A-listers, playboys) to party with and get in trouble with.
I agree that adults should be able to avoid vices and temptation, but we are talking about kids in their 20's that came into huge amounts of money. Odd as it may sound, they are not the same as regular people. When you throw all those people together in the same geography or in the same room together, I think the likelihood of the football players making dumb decisions does not go up linearly, I think it goes up exponentially. Put a bunch of people there to mix things up, and surprise, surprise, people will mix things up.
That's not to knock Vegas. It's a fun place to be. But it's certainly a spot where temptation lies on every corner and making bad decisions are part of the allure to being in Vegas in the first place. I agree that players should be able to show some restraint . . . but thinking back to when I was a couple years out of college, if I had millions in the bank, going to Vegas, I'm pretty sure I would go a little crazy too.
But the problem with Vegas is, many of the visitors and people out at night ARE THERE to make bad decisions, almost everywhere is someplace to get in trouble, and there is an abundance of other high rollers (athletes, entertainers, celebrities, business moguls, A-listers, playboys) to party with and get in trouble with.
I agree that adults should be able to avoid vices and temptation, but we are talking about kids in their 20's that came into huge amounts of money. Odd as it may sound, they are not the same as regular people. When you throw all those people together in the same geography or in the same room together, I think the likelihood of the football players making dumb decisions does not go up linearly, I think it goes up exponentially. Put a bunch of people there to mix things up, and surprise, surprise, people will mix things up.
That's not to knock Vegas. It's a fun place to be. But it's certainly a spot where temptation lies on every corner and making bad decisions are part of the allure to being in Vegas in the first place. I agree that players should be able to show some restraint . . . but thinking back to when I was a couple years out of college, if I had millions in the bank, going to Vegas, I'm pretty sure I would go a little crazy too.
JohnnyU
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Summer Wheat
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Summer Wheat
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I don`t buy that. NFL players can get into the same trouble in every city. Well maybe not Green Bay but pretty much every where else.
Without a doubt there is more to do in Las Vegas to have problems. But there are clubs in Atlanta, Chicago, NY..you name it.
The only thing in Vegas if you go out looking from trouble you will find it pretty easily because of the magnitude of people always partying hard.
I've always lived within a couple hours my entire life. Summers are perfect, not too hot, right on the lake, and relatively cheap cost of living. The Winters are, well, the trade off. You basically are required to have a vehicle with 4 wheel drive and an autostarter. You do get used to the cold though. Growing up here, I'll take 25 degrees over 95 degrees.
Back to Kamara, I was just thinking, if this turns into something major, and Kamara is gone, then boy have the Saints been through the ringer these last 12 months. Losing Brees, then Payton, then Kamara, and who knows about Michael Thomas. This was arguably the best team in the NFL(tough to say without a ring, but consistency wise) from 2017-2020, they just kept finding fluky ways to lose in the playoffs, whether it be the Minneapolis Miracle in 2017, the PI no call in 2018(I 100% believe they would have beaten NE that year), and to a lesser extent, the offensive PI no call in 2019, and then Brees melting down in 2020 against TB. 4 straight division crowns, 4 straight 11+ win seasons, 0 Super Bowl appearances.
The NFC South is going to be very interesting this offseason. Despite having gigantic QB issues, neither TB or NO can really blow it up, because the division is so wide open. Right now, Atlanta probably has the best offense just by having Ryan, but who knows about Ridley? Suddenly this looks like the worst division in the NFL.
2Squirrels1Nut
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Agree. A close friend of mine has connections with some MLB players and he says, for the most part, players ignore these scenes. Too many opportunities to get in trouble and you WILL be video taped.
The Kamara story is sad for a myriad of reasons. Such a talented young man but the NFL is the place to be for "forgiveness" Not to gloss over the fact that it certainly sounds like the victim didn't do anything to justify the brutal beating he received. :(
After so many of these types of incidents that have plagued professional athletes over the years I just can't comprehend how the leagues can't keep their houses in order. Again, horrible how many innocent people have been hurt as well.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
In every population of people there will be a whole range of psychological outcomes. They come from a myriad of backgrounds, and a myriad of economic, family, & social structures. The NFL is no different.
Players are human is all I'm saying. Some of them will do stupid #### at one time or another. I don't know how the NFL could be expected to "keep their house in order" - this is one dude doing one really dumb thing (allegedly, I don't know the details so I'm holding out judgement).
That said, the NFL is having a very bad week when it comes to their house.
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2Squirrels1Nut
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I agree with the bolded.
I also said all professional sports teams, not just the NFL. I know they all get education of what is expected of them, pitfalls to avoid, etc., However if I were commish of a league, there would be an almost ridiculous amount of it that would be ongoing. Particularly in contact sports like the NFL where concussions can literally change a person's personality. JMHO
greenmountaingoat
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those are some ugly details.
Ministry of Pain
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I used to frequent Drai's like 20 yrs ago when I lived in SoCal and would do the 4 hour drive across the desert into Vegas, that place was a late night fool's club back then, surprised it hasn't changed much or changed hands, etc...
Truebluey
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I'm just stunned. Drafted Kamara as a rookie in my main league and I've watched his career closely and kindly ever since. This seems so out of synch with his on field persona.
What would motivate a man to DO something like that, especially in a hotel where there are security Cameras every 10 feet? I can't imagine a circumstance that would make me PUNCH another person, let alone smash them in the face multiple times while they are down. Why would you ever want to hurt someone else? It sickens me to my soul to think of the aggression that must be stored for such an act to occur. Why Alvin, why?
What would motivate a man to DO something like that, especially in a hotel where there are security Cameras every 10 feet? I can't imagine a circumstance that would make me PUNCH another person, let alone smash them in the face multiple times while they are down. Why would you ever want to hurt someone else? It sickens me to my soul to think of the aggression that must be stored for such an act to occur. Why Alvin, why?
SeniorVBDStudent
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Why would Ray Rice cold-#### his wife in a camera-equipped elevator? Why would Ray Lewis participate in curb-stomping some gay dudes in downtown Atlanta? Why would Plaxico Burress shoot himself in the leg? etc.
Shawnky
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The Mixon part went right over my head. I just knew he wasn’t a free agent.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
If nothing else, this post proves that the swear filter isn’t helping anyone around here.
Agree with the points made though. In my league group text the photo of the victim was dropped, and man, he got the beat s### out of him. And apparently there’s footage of Kamara repeatedly punching him while he was already unconscious? That would be a very bad look.
allegedly Kamara put his hand on dude while dude was talking up a chick. Dude brushed his hand off & Kamara + entourage commenced beating him to a pulp. Pretty clear cut assault & battery.
This should end his NFL career. It probably won’t, but it should.
ILUVBEER99
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Whenever these situations happen everyone assumes the guys career is over. In reality he'll probably pay a fine, make a settlement with the victim, maybe be on probation for a bit and be suspended 2-4 games by the NFL.
JohnnyU
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How bad was the guy hurt? If he broke a bunch of bones in face and done permanent brain damage, then his career would be over IMO. If he got as couple black eyes, lost a couple of teeth, swollen face and a cut lip, then I tend to agree with you. Or the other guy started the fight I agree with you.
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ILUVBEER99
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Picture of VictimJohnnyU said:
He looks like he took a beating but seems to be standing. Doubt he suffered brain or permanent damage.
Leroy Hoard
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As someone who's followed his entire career it's very disappointing. My biggest problem isn't two guys fighting over a woman but the fact that his entire crew joined in on the beating. The very definition of a punk move. Fight like a real man, one on one. Or don't fight at all.
Hot Sauce Guy
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Also reportedly sucker punched the dude after dude brushed his hand off of his shoulder.
JohnnyU
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Children under the age of 14 shouldn't view that. Not because he's bloody, but because he is ugly.
Edited: Looks like some didn't find that funny, so I apologize to anyone it offended.
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SDJohnny
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https://www.nola.com/sports/saints/article_ab5f3c0a-884c-11ec-8711-af733febe81b.html
New Orleans Saints running back Alvin Kamara is accused of punching an unconscious man on the ground at a Las Vegas nightclub, leading to Kamara's arrest Sunday, according to police documents.
Kamara was one of four men involved in the alleged battery, and the four are alleged to have stomped on the victim approximately 23 times and punched the victim about nine times, police said. The victim suffered a fractured bone in his eye socket, police said.
According to an incident report filed by Las Vegas Metropolitan Police, Kamara allegedly punched the victim about eight times, with three of those punches coming while the man was on the ground. The report says the victim did not hit, punch or push Kamara or any of his associates during the incident.
According to witness testimony and surveillance video obtained by police, the fight began when Kamara and the three others were making their way to the elevator at Drai's After Dark on Las Vegas Boulevard at about 6:30 a.m. Saturday, when they encountered the alleged victim, according to the report.
The victim told police he began to make conversation with the others waiting at the elevator. In an interview with police, Kamara said the victim called one of his friends ugly.
Kamara allegedly put his hand on the victim's chest, preventing him from walking into the elevator, and the victim pushed Kamara's hand off, according to the report. The victim said he was pushed back from the elevator, and the first punch was thrown after that.
Based on surveillance video obtained by police, Kamara was not the first person to throw a punch. After the first punch was thrown, Kamara allegedly joined in and punched the victim several times, according to the report.
The victim moved back as Kamara continued to punch him, according to the report, and shortly thereafter lost consciousness and fell to the ground. The victim, in his interview with police, remembered being punched and kicked by multiple people before falling.
According to the video obtained by police, Kamara continued to punch the victim three more times while the victim was on the ground. The three others police said were involved joined in and began stomping on the victim's face, chest and legs.
Security personnel broke up the fight. Kamara and those with him were escorted out of the club and into the valet area, where they left in a black Cadillac SUV, police said.
New Orleans Saints running back Alvin Kamara is accused of punching an unconscious man on the ground at a Las Vegas nightclub, leading to Kamara's arrest Sunday, according to police documents.
Kamara was one of four men involved in the alleged battery, and the four are alleged to have stomped on the victim approximately 23 times and punched the victim about nine times, police said. The victim suffered a fractured bone in his eye socket, police said.
According to an incident report filed by Las Vegas Metropolitan Police, Kamara allegedly punched the victim about eight times, with three of those punches coming while the man was on the ground. The report says the victim did not hit, punch or push Kamara or any of his associates during the incident.
According to witness testimony and surveillance video obtained by police, the fight began when Kamara and the three others were making their way to the elevator at Drai's After Dark on Las Vegas Boulevard at about 6:30 a.m. Saturday, when they encountered the alleged victim, according to the report.
The victim told police he began to make conversation with the others waiting at the elevator. In an interview with police, Kamara said the victim called one of his friends ugly.
Kamara allegedly put his hand on the victim's chest, preventing him from walking into the elevator, and the victim pushed Kamara's hand off, according to the report. The victim said he was pushed back from the elevator, and the first punch was thrown after that.
Based on surveillance video obtained by police, Kamara was not the first person to throw a punch. After the first punch was thrown, Kamara allegedly joined in and punched the victim several times, according to the report.
The victim moved back as Kamara continued to punch him, according to the report, and shortly thereafter lost consciousness and fell to the ground. The victim, in his interview with police, remembered being punched and kicked by multiple people before falling.
According to the video obtained by police, Kamara continued to punch the victim three more times while the victim was on the ground. The three others police said were involved joined in and began stomping on the victim's face, chest and legs.
Security personnel broke up the fight. Kamara and those with him were escorted out of the club and into the valet area, where they left in a black Cadillac SUV, police said.
SDJohnny
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JohnnyU
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SDJohnny
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JohnnyU
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Dear god.
OK, yeah - punk move by Kamara's entourage. 100%
He should be suspended for a year, minimum, for engaging in this. At the point the fight started, Kamara should have just laid back and done nothing.
One thing's certain - the victim isn't going to have to work another day in his life.
need2know
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JohnnyU
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I mean, if Imma get jumped and beaten/kicked by a dude & his entourage, I'm definitely hoping they're an athlete.
I'm kind of an optimist though.
SDJohnny
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JohnnyU
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JohnnyU
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Dr. Octopus
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It's so hard to say. If some of these allegations and injuries turn out to be facts, it's possible he could see jail time - although unlikely.
I still have Kamara on one team (traded him in 3 other leagues last season). Drafted him in 4 rookie drafts and he was a fun guy to root for. I hope something positive comes out on his side on this, but don't feel good about it.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That's about the range I'd expect. And a fine. A big one. Plus restitution, and maybe even an anger management seminar or two + speaking at schools, etc.
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Hot Sauce Guy
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Anarchy99
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We pretty much all are in agreement that people looking for trouble can get in trouble pretty much anywhere. That being said, a brief search on-line indicates (and I don't swear to the accuracy of these numbers):Summer Wheat said:
# of casinos in each specified city:
- Las Vegas (144)
- Chicago (5)
- New York City (1)
- Atlanta (0)
One of those is not like the others. One site lists 23 strip clubs and 3 swingers clubs in LV. Not counting the bars at casinos, hotels, and resorts, there are another 281 bars and night clubs listed. I've been to all these cities, and in CHI, NY, and ATL, I never felt that there was non-stop action, a vibrant night life, or a swarm of people looking to party. Individual and isolated places? Sure, absolutely. Blocks and blocks of hippies, freaks, and party animals in those 3 places. Not that I've seen. Some people in some sections of the city, sure.
I went to Vegas last year. Anyone out at night without kids was there to mix it up. Certainly, some people more than others. But I couldn't go 15 feet without seeing someone drinking, drugging, gambling, or up for a good time. I was in a casino gambling with my wife, and another married woman who was there with her husband started up a conversation with me. She was in an altered state and casually asked if I wanted to go up to her room with her. She was very graphic about what she wanted me to do with her. It wasn't even 15 feet . . . I wasn't even moving. This was right in front of my wife and her husband. That didn't phase her in the least (and yes, she was very attractive).
There were other times where people asked me if I was interested in buying or selling whatever illegal substance you could think of . . . and again I would be standing there waiting for an elevator or for a streetlight to change. You don't have to look for trouble in Vegas. It will find you all on its own.
As far as professional athletes go, I am sure they know about places in every city to go get their freak on, who the best dealers are (not blackjack), where to find a woman of choice, where the party never stops, etc. But I am guessing in most NFL cities there aren't that many spots. By comparison, Vegas just consumes you. People 16 to 86 would start chatting me up, and they all were like LET'S PARTY!!!! That's what it was like for the peasants and the regular folk. I can only imagine what it is like for the upper crust, the well to do, and patrons of fine lineage. I was out one night at 2:00 AM and a group of 5 or 6 barely legal girls were dressed in nothing but clear plastic material like Saran Wrap with nothing on underneath. They were like, let's go, we're in search of a party, climb aboard.
I stand by my earlier statement. Twenty something year old me with a 7-figure bank account WOULD NOT be back home at 8:00, turning the alarm on, and hitting the weight room at the Raiders facility at the crack of dawn. I would skip the going home and going to bed part, and I might make the noon film review sessions. At least some of them.
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I think the Saints would be wise to assume Alvin Kamara won't be on the team next season, and proceed accordingly.
If the video (which will surely come out) matches the police report, this is Ray Rice levels of screwed. Likely the Saints just outright release Kamara, and then not pay him under the personal conduct policy.
32 hits, including 9 stomps. This could be argued as attempted murder.
If the video (which will surely come out) matches the police report, this is Ray Rice levels of screwed. Likely the Saints just outright release Kamara, and then not pay him under the personal conduct policy.
32 hits, including 9 stomps. This could be argued as attempted murder.
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Sam Quentin
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I think a few months in jail might clear his head…
GroveDiesel
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The NFL isn’t exactly making themself look good lately. NFL security reportedly knew Kamara was wanted by police before the Pro Bowl but let him play anyway.
Not a great look at all.
Not a great look at all.
