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gianmarco said:
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MAC_32 said:
I am reaching out for shoe advice. I don't think the on clouds are the only problem, but between my age and increasing waistline I think I need something with more support to get back on the right track. The knee ailment that developed after several others issues I mentioned back in March persisted. I hoped a week off around Vegas would be the cure, but I only lasted ~10 days before it returned so I shut things down the last 3 weeks. Getting back out today was fine, but since it's now been 15 months since stringing more than 4-6 weeks in a row (what do ya know- that's when I turned 40 :lol: ) without something stunting progress I have no confidence I'll be saying the same thing come mid-June. Any suggestions? As 30something year old me said over and over again, I am NOT a shoe guy. I didn't need to be, I suppose father time is undefeated and it's past time to adjust.
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First 2 light, cushiony and plenty supportive shoes that come to mind are Saucony speed 3 and the Clifton 9s.
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I know you and @gruecd are big fans of the Speed 3s. I just got a pair and, while they are good, I'm not sure I like them better than the 2.

And the Speed 2 can still be found much cheaper.
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I like the 2s 10x more than the 3s. I feel like the 3s are clunky with less bounce than the 2s.
 
I love the Kinvara 14s. The 13s were my favorite version and I had 4 pairs of them...I didn't think anything was going to best them. The 14s are much better IMO. They run close to racing shoes and are super cheap right now.
 
xulf said:
I love the Kinvara 14s. The 13s were my favorite version and I had 4 pairs of them...I didn't think anything was going to best them. The 14s are much better IMO. They run close to racing shoes and are super cheap right now.
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I just bought a pair of 14s, haven’t tried them on yet. Probably won’t for a few months, especially as I’m not running much right now. I liked the 11s slightly more than the 13 but the 13s were solid.
 
May 21, 2024 - I've finally accepted that I've just gotten old. It isn't the shoes. It isn't flexibility. It isn't strength. It isn't endurance. It isn't time. It isn't weight (although that isn't helping). I'm just old.

I'm sharing because I'm at peace with it. Running has always been a priority. It hasn't been the priority, but it's been a priority. And it's helped make me who I am today. But it's time to turn the page to the next chapter. I foresee a day competitive running may return, but that day is not any time in the next several years because it'd require sacrifices I'm not willing to consider. This is the 3rd year in a row my body has told me it can't handle the rigors of my spring schedule and sustain a base of miles on top of it as I've tried something different each year, but the result is the same.

I'm going to do the same thing this summer I do every summer. Take 2 months off coaching, enjoy time with friends & family, remain physically active, but rest as much as possible. Difference is when coaching begins again in 2 months I'm no longer going to try to train on top of it. I'll run and play ball with the kids at practice, but the days of the lunch run prior are over. I want to do it, but can't. So it's time to adapt. I hope I'll be back when my coaching days are over, but we'll see where I am at that time.

Despite this, I'll try to be more active in this thread than I have been. I turned quiet because I've been trying to get right, but kept failing, so I hope now that I've accepted my reality I'll change. With my days of action on pause, hopefully I can positively influence others by my words instead. And if not there's always shovels.
 
ChiefD said:
@MAC_32 - have you been doing weight training this whole time in conjunction with your running…..like you have been in years past?
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MUCH less. It's contributed to the weight gain, but I thought it was important to ensure that wasn't the stressor causing recent year problems. I've tried a wide range of approaches to strength training since fall in particular - yoga focused, high rep/low weight/low rest, body weight, heavy weight, single leg/balanced, none at all (!!!)...and nothing worked.

The knee thing I've been battling for > 2 months is quite simply stress related. Doc cleared me - both of them, multiple times. Massage therapist addressed the stressors around it. Sports doc passed me on exercise regimen and execution. Their feedback is relatively uniform - doing what you're doing you just need to rest more than you used to if you're going to seriously train. And that ain't gonna happen.

Positive spin, now that I am going to actually alter approach, I can more intelligently work strength training back into the rotation. When I have those days I'm going to be on my feet for extended periods of time I can more confidently attack a gym workout knowing a run isn't a consideration. Then on lower volume days there is little thought to whether I should run then just decide while I'm out if I can go further that day. Maybe eventually I'll fall bass ackwards into a solution that works for me, but for my mental health purposes it's important I approach this as 'just go exercise' rather than 'training.'
 
As I now settle into formal marathon training for the next 18 weeks, I'm using a 10-day training cycle. Mileage accumulation will still be weekly (driven by Strava and historical comparisons). But within the 10-day cycle, I'll target three SOS (something of substance) workouts - (1) hill repeats, (2) intervals or tempo, and (3) a long run (most with rolling terrain). The benefit should be that I'll get in a couple of easy days (@gruecd 's "glue days") between each, which I hope will help to stave off injuries. When I can, I'll slip in some short strides on some runs as well. In total, I'll have 12 cycles to work with. We'll see how it goes!
 
MAC_32 said:
May 21, 2024 - I've finally accepted that I've just gotten old. It isn't the shoes. It isn't flexibility. It isn't strength. It isn't endurance. It isn't time. It isn't weight (although that isn't helping). I'm just old.

I'm sharing because I'm at peace with it. Running has always been a priority. It hasn't been the priority, but it's been a priority. And it's helped make me who I am today. But it's time to turn the page to the next chapter. I foresee a day competitive running may return, but that day is not any time in the next several years because it'd require sacrifices I'm not willing to consider. This is the 3rd year in a row my body has told me it can't handle the rigors of my spring schedule and sustain a base of miles on top of it as I've tried something different each year, but the result is the same.

I'm going to do the same thing this summer I do every summer. Take 2 months off coaching, enjoy time with friends & family, remain physically active, but rest as much as possible. Difference is when coaching begins again in 2 months I'm no longer going to try to train on top of it. I'll run and play ball with the kids at practice, but the days of the lunch run prior are over. I want to do it, but can't. So it's time to adapt. I hope I'll be back when my coaching days are over, but we'll see where I am at that time.

Despite this, I'll try to be more active in this thread than I have been. I turned quiet because I've been trying to get right, but kept failing, so I hope now that I've accepted my reality I'll change. With my days of action on pause, hopefully I can positively influence others by my words instead. And if not there's always shovels.
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Welcome!
 
MAC_32 said:
Positive spin, now that I am going to actually alter approach, I can more intelligently work strength training back into the rotation. When I have those days I'm going to be on my feet for extended periods of time I can more confidently attack a gym workout knowing a run isn't a consideration. Then on lower volume days there is little thought to whether I should run then just decide while I'm out if I can go further that day. Maybe eventually I'll fall bass ackwards into a solution that works for me, but for my mental health purposes it's important I approach this as 'just go exercise' rather than 'training.'
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Looking back, I think one of the things that led to some unsuccessful cycles for me was my mental tendency to round the stress effect of all non-running activities to zero. In reality, if you're golfing, hiking, moving kids in and out of dorms, etc., that is definitely going to effect your body's ability to do a workout. I feel like I'm more cognizant now of knowing when normal life makes throwing in a hard run a bad idea.
 
Donated blood for the first time yesterday. I'm O-, so really should have been doing it earlier (although I didn't know I was O- until two years ago).

At the request of the clinic, I did "double red". It was hot and humid again this morning in DFW, and let me tell you the last 4mi of my ~8mi run sucked. Wasn't interested in punishing myself, so I actually took a couple of walking breaks.

Ankle is still a problem, but not as much as it used to be. No races on the calendar until Aug.
 
Hey fellas, hope you all are well. At the Prefontaine Classic today, and the Bowerman Mile race that will cap off the day could be one of the most competitive mile fields in a long time. The average PB in the field is like 3:48.x.
On NBC I think, 1:00-3:00 PT.
 
SFBayDuck said:
Hey fellas, hope you all are well. At the Prefontaine Classic today, and the Bowerman Mile race that will cap off the day could be one of the most competitive mile fields in a long time. The average PB in the field is like 3:48.x.
On NBC I think, 1:00-3:00 PT.
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Was watching. Will you be at the trials in about a month?
Kerr ran that mile with Jakob in a headlock.
 
bushdocda said:
SFBayDuck said:
Hey fellas, hope you all are well. At the Prefontaine Classic today, and the Bowerman Mile race that will cap off the day could be one of the most competitive mile fields in a long time. The average PB in the field is like 3:48.x.
On NBC I think, 1:00-3:00 PT.
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Was watching. Will you be at the trials in about a month?
Kerr ran that mile with Jakob in a headlock.
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Yup, have the NCAAs coming up and then the Trials. If any of y’all are coming out, I’ve got an extra ticket for much of it. My lady is going to be in Sweden for 2 1/2 weeks and will miss all but the last day or two.
 
Dr_Zaius said:
so I've been mulling over signing up for the 50k of Laurel Highlands on 6/8
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So I finally came down on the "no" side of this last week during a sweaty run. I came to the conclusion that due to the unusually cool spring we had my heat acclimation is just too poor right now for this not to turn into a suffer fest. Also I should really make it a point to get more elevation in before I attempt a long trail race. I might take a crack at the Triple Lakes Trial 40M at the end of October, which I should be able to combine with a visit to my daughter.

On the road racing front, I'm probably going to finally bite the bullet and attempt a marathon next year. I'm thinking fall of next year as that would be the earliest race that I could use for Boston in 2027 when I go up an age group. Still not sure a BQ would be in the cards, but I'm thinking the extra 5 minutes raise the chances from "almost zero" to "unlikely but maybe".
 
Dr_Zaius said:
On the road racing front, I'm probably going to finally bite the bullet and attempt a marathon next year. I'm thinking fall of next year as that would be the earliest race that I could use for Boston in 2027 when I go up an age group.
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I’ll come meet you for long run down in the Delaware beaches area. Miss running down there regularly.
 
Had a gait and running assessment last week and as part of it my glute med was tested. Picture laying on your side, raise the top leg and bring it back behind you a bit. Then resist when they push down.
She laughed as she crushed my leg down as I powerlessly resisted.
While everyone is out having fun this summer I’ll be doing side planks with leg raise.
FML and FMGM.
 
bushdocda said:
Had a gait and running assessment last week and as part of it my glute med was tested. Picture laying on your side, raise the top leg and bring it back behind you a bit. Then resist when they push down.
She laughed as she crushed my leg down as I powerlessly resisted.
While everyone is out having fun this summer I’ll be doing side planks with leg raise.
FML and FMGM.
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Didn't seem to slow you down too much over the weekend at least!

Your post is a good reminder, though, that I've been having some lower back complaints after standing around too much or golfing. I restarted my lifting after my half marathon, but I really should do some planks to try to specifically target the general abdominal area. Even though I hate them and they suck.
 
My HR is a disaster. I've been keeping up my miles since my HM, but ever since my training ended, I feel like my HR is 10 more than it should be. Today I went easier than usual and could barley keep it under 130 no matter how much I slowed down. My V02max is already down in the 5 weeks since my race and another drop is soonly inevitable.

Oh, and if I want to do an 18 week cycle for my BQ attempt this fall, that starts in 2 weeks.

Bleh.

OK, rant over. Carry on.
 
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xulf said:
My HR is a disaster. I've been keeping up my miles since my HM, but ever since my training ended, I feel like my HR is 10 more than it should be. Today I went easier than usual and could barley keep it under 130 no matter how much I slowed down. My V02max is already down in the 5 weeks since my race and another drop is soonly inevitable.

Oh, and if I want to do an 18 week cycle for my BQ attempt this fall, that starts in 2 weeks.

Bleh.

OK, rant over. Carry on.
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Maybe you just need a few days off? Quick scroll, doesn't appear you took any time off post HM. Just a thought
 
As to the above posts (@bushdocda and @Dr_Zaius ), I will report in for Coach @-OZ- that I have been diligently keeping up with variations of the 2023 monthly challenges. With just a rare night off, I spend about 15-20 minutes each night with a selection of upper and/or lower body exercises ...squats, lunges, step-ups, ab routine, isometrics, pushups, pullups, resistance bar, dumbbells. I'm still a skinny bird, but it provides some toning and, ideally, helps support my running and health.

And regarding HR, with the start of marathon training, my HR all of a sudden is back where it historically has been, staying/averaging in the 130s for general runs (rather than the climbs into the 140s and 150s). So far, so good!
 
tri-man 47 said:
As to the above posts (@bushdocda and @Dr_Zaius ), I will report in for Coach @-OZ- that I have been diligently keeping up with variations of the 2023 monthly challenges. With just a rare night off, I spend about 15-20 minutes each night with a selection of upper and/or lower body exercises ...squats, lunges, step-ups, ab routine, isometrics, pushups, pullups, resistance bar, dumbbells. I'm still a skinny bird, but it provides some toning and, ideally, helps support my running and health.

And regarding HR, with the start of marathon training, my HR all of a sudden is back where it historically has been, staying/averaging in the 130s for general runs (rather than the climbs into the 140s and 150s). So far, so good!
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I need to get back on this. I walk with my wife and dog every night, workout in the morning. But the challenges were good for me. Maybe I’ll kick that back up in 25.

Finished the “hard”, with two cheat days (wife’s birthday and the day we celebrated with friends) and few pictures. Got to 12.8% body fat before our beach trip after 12.4% on May 1st. My goal is to stay below 13.
 
xulf said:
My HR is a disaster. I've been keeping up my miles since my HM, but ever since my training ended, I feel like my HR is 10 more than it should be. Today I went easier than usual and could barley keep it under 130 no matter how much I slowed down. My V02max is already down in the 5 weeks since my race and another drop is soonly inevitable.

Oh, and if I want to do an 18 week cycle for my BQ attempt this fall, that starts in 2 weeks.

Bleh.

OK, rant over. Carry on.
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Summer temps always make my HR climb, pace decrease, and perceived effort increase. Not sure what your weather has been like, but could be a factor.
 
MAC_32 said:
xulf said:
My HR is a disaster. I've been keeping up my miles since my HM, but ever since my training ended, I feel like my HR is 10 more than it should be. Today I went easier than usual and could barley keep it under 130 no matter how much I slowed down. My V02max is already down in the 5 weeks since my race and another drop is soonly inevitable.

Oh, and if I want to do an 18 week cycle for my BQ attempt this fall, that starts in 2 weeks.

Bleh.

OK, rant over. Carry on.
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Maybe you just need a few days off? Quick scroll, doesn't appear you took any time off post HM. Just a thought
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Yeah, I was thinking this too...but I just took 3 days off over Memorial Day. Maybe I could use more...who knows. I have also been having some ankle pain which I'm sure doesn't help.
 
Zasada said:
xulf said:
My HR is a disaster. I've been keeping up my miles since my HM, but ever since my training ended, I feel like my HR is 10 more than it should be. Today I went easier than usual and could barley keep it under 130 no matter how much I slowed down. My V02max is already down in the 5 weeks since my race and another drop is soonly inevitable.

Oh, and if I want to do an 18 week cycle for my BQ attempt this fall, that starts in 2 weeks.

Bleh.

OK, rant over. Carry on.
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Summer temps always make my HR climb, pace decrease, and perceived effort increase. Not sure what your weather has been like, but could be a factor.
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Summer is going to be a whole lot easier to approach being as out of shape as I am. 3 months of junk miles are on tap!
 
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