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QB Lamar Jackson, BAL (2 Viewers)
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To me, Jackson's fantasy ceiling is higher than any other QB in this draft class. If I'm in a 12 team league, with the possible exception of Rosen in the right offense, he's the only QB I'd take in the top 30 rookie picks.
The rest of this class looks like, for fantasy purposes, a group of QB2s.
As this process as gone on, I've warmed to his prospects for success. He has Vick like traits. When Vick was at his apex, he was unstoppable. That's a risk I'd take over any of the other QBs.
The rest of this class looks like, for fantasy purposes, a group of QB2s.
As this process as gone on, I've warmed to his prospects for success. He has Vick like traits. When Vick was at his apex, he was unstoppable. That's a risk I'd take over any of the other QBs.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I hope a smart team drafts him and maximizes his abilities. Jackson is arguably the best overall athlete in the entire draft.
Vick is the appropriate comparison. Jackson was 57% complete in college. Vick, 56%. Another player who can run, Marcus Mariota, was an almost 67% passer in college, and he has struggled so far with the pro style game, in my opinion. Vick was brilliant at times, but most would say he was a bust for his draft status.
Vick is the appropriate comparison. Jackson was 57% complete in college. Vick, 56%. Another player who can run, Marcus Mariota, was an almost 67% passer in college, and he has struggled so far with the pro style game, in my opinion. Vick was brilliant at times, but most would say he was a bust for his draft status.
Tau837
Footballguy
Being the best open field runner with the ball does not equate to best athlete in the draft. Enough with the hyperbole.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Let’s have an argument!Andy Dufresne said:
"Well, do you want to have the full argument, or were you thinking of taking a course?"
Zyphros
Footballguy
"NFL Media's Tom Pelissero interviewed one anonymous Offensive Cooradinator who said Louisville's Lamar Jackson "will not be able to play (quarterback) in this league, mark my words."
They should be forced to attach their name to this if that's the take.
A more accurate quote might be something like this "Lamar Jackson can't play in the system I make my players play because I'm an inept coach that doesn't put my players in opportunities for success based on their skill-set"
I'm not on board with him being really good, but I think he has a chance if a coach can be creative. This OC is probably not going to work with him, but that's very likely a good thing as he's also probably too rigid to make it work.
They should be forced to attach their name to this if that's the take.
A more accurate quote might be something like this "Lamar Jackson can't play in the system I make my players play because I'm an inept coach that doesn't put my players in opportunities for success based on their skill-set"
I'm not on board with him being really good, but I think he has a chance if a coach can be creative. This OC is probably not going to work with him, but that's very likely a good thing as he's also probably too rigid to make it work.
Tau837
Footballguy
Faust
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
Joe Flaccos contract
Flaccos base salary rises by $6.5 million in 2019 when he will be 34 years old. His total cap hit in 2019 would be $26 million which is close to what Garoppolo will be making or Kirk Cousins and more than Matt Ryan will in 2019 for recent big QB contracts to compare it to.
Flaccos base salary rises by $6.5 million in 2019 when he will be 34 years old. His total cap hit in 2019 would be $26 million which is close to what Garoppolo will be making or Kirk Cousins and more than Matt Ryan will in 2019 for recent big QB contracts to compare it to.
jacobo_moses
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Well if you start adding it all up Flacco's days are numbered. His pay does not match his performance and the Ravens are moving in another direction. They can save a lot of money by moving on with a QB on a rookie contract which will allow them to spend more in other ways in the meantime.
The question is more if Flacco gets the start and plays out the 2018 season or not. It seems very likely he will not be a Raven in 2019.
Reading another article earlier it sounds like Marty Morrinweg, and Greg Roman are aligned with the new GMs vision of what the Ravens are going to be and that is a team with Lamar Jackson as their starting QB.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
And there it is. Reverting to the social warrior and blaming racists because it’s easier than engaging in a serious debate.
If any qb was comically innaccurate at times, couldn’t read Ds, had horrendous mechanics and worse footwork, but was one-of-a-kind superb in the open field with the football in his hands, there would be some people thinking he might be able to make one hell of a career out of getting the ball in the open field. It wouldn’t matter if the guy was black, white, brown, orange, purple or polka dot.
Man, I so hate this kind of simple minded crap masquerading as enlightened football intelligence.
How come Polian didn’t suggest Josh Allen should switch positions to Olympic javelin thrower, then?
-OZ-
Footballguy
If only there were a fast, white, Heisman winning QB who switched to wide receiver or safety in the NFL. He'd probably have to be from Nebraska...
That's unpossible...
massraider
Footballguy
Real short story, he will have 16 mill of dead cap next year, and a cap number of 26.5 mill.
Ravens can save 10 mill vs cap by trading/cutting him. His salaries are 18.5 mill, 20.25 mill and 20.425 mill in next three years. It's possible someone could even trade for him, those will be middle of road starter salaries by then, and team would have him on three one year contracts, no dead cap.
Ravens can also spread out the hit, designating him as pot-June 1 cut, and take 8 mill hit in 19/20. Depends if they wanna add 10 mill or 18 mill in cap space net spring.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I think your view is also very simplistic. Waldman said Jackson was the best pocket passer in the draft.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
That might be, I’m not NFL evaluator and Waldman certainly gets plenty wrong. I just don’t think it’s so open and shut that LJ isn’t NFL ready. He definitely ran one of the more NFL equivalent offenses.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
I absolutely understand that I could be way wrong. Only time will tell. In the meantime, debate about conjecturing on players’ futures is great fun.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Lamar Jackson is a great fit for Ravens, and should replace Joe Flacco sooner than later
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Yenrub
Footballguy
Couch ran the ball more than he threw the ball. 648 rushing attempts for his career vs 606 passing attempts.
Jackson threw the ball much more than he ran 655 rushing attempts vs 1086 passing attempts.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Wasn't Nebaska still running the option offense with Crouch? His senior year, Crouch threw for 1500 yards, 7 TDs and 10 Ints. It's a major stretch to compare that to Jackson and his 3600 yards 27 TDs and 10 Ints. Crouch was also les accurate with a lower YPA.
-OZ-
Footballguy
I'm as big a Lamar Jackson fan as anyone. I just get tired of the race issue for both the "black QBs will never succeed" as much as "you don't think this black will succeed therefore you're racist!" ####.
FTR, Lamar is my top QB too (for ff) and I think Baltimore got the steal of the draft.
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massraider
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Draft Narrative Busters
Only Jackson can reach Dalton level as a passer and be a fantasy and NFL superstar. That's a massive margin for error the other QBs don't have.
Also, situation matters to me. BAL is a good organization, not a clown show. Every other QB is going to an organization that needs to prove it's a professional organization. I think CLE has shown a lot, I like where they going a lot more than BUF and NYJ, but all three have unproven or terrible track records. This is clearly personal opinion, my own personal preference when evaluating rookie QBs.
My biggest concern is his frame. He can't stand up to running the ball like Newton can. Maybe he's only a fantasy stud for two or three years, and his body breaks down. Might still be a fantasy championship level QB for those years. That's worth it to me.
The way I look at it, all these QBs can bust, or have some level of success as passers. Maybe Andy Dalton level, maybe Mat Ryan level, maybe Drew Brees level.
Only Jackson can reach Dalton level as a passer and be a fantasy and NFL superstar. That's a massive margin for error the other QBs don't have.
Also, situation matters to me. BAL is a good organization, not a clown show. Every other QB is going to an organization that needs to prove it's a professional organization. I think CLE has shown a lot, I like where they going a lot more than BUF and NYJ, but all three have unproven or terrible track records. This is clearly personal opinion, my own personal preference when evaluating rookie QBs.
My biggest concern is his frame. He can't stand up to running the ball like Newton can. Maybe he's only a fantasy stud for two or three years, and his body breaks down. Might still be a fantasy championship level QB for those years. That's worth it to me.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Personally think he’s the best value in rookie drafts. There’s going to be a chance to flip him for much more than you paid .
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Exerpt.
Weddle doesn't seem to know that Louisville runs a pro style offense, more specifically a Coryell offense.
Morhinweg runs the west coast offense, so there is an adjustment there, but its not like Jackson is coming from a spread offense as he infers.
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