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Good one.Remember when everyone was laughing at the Rams for not drafting him? Good times
Good one.Remember when everyone was laughing at the Rams for not drafting him? Good times
You do realize that the Titans and Texans (the 2 teams McGloin) has faced are in the bottom 12 for sacks generated, right?Heard that excuse with the Raiders & Terrell Pryor and then McGloin came in and there were no problems with the O-line after that. Yet another weak excuse. Lets go to the source - RG the TURD.apparently you guys have never heard of an o-line.
Whoa there. This isn't a Richardson/Brown situation here.What if they aren't blocking well for Bob but would for Cousins?
Dude had his shot, he stinks, time to look at other options. There is enough game film now that teams game plan for his 'skills'.
I don't sense lack of trying; just lack of ability to pass block and lack of hope/inspiration. By now the players know they're getting little or no help from the coaching staff they're stuck with.I think there is a chance that the O Line isn't trying as hard as they could.
But that's not how the NFL works.I still believe in RG3 long term. I would shut him down only to not put him at risk for another injury, not to pave the way for Cousins.
I agree this year's just a terrible year. He got basically no offseason and it is definitely showing. Is playing like crap right now and a lot of other factors from the offense of line and wide receivers to the coaches are not helping. Time to regroup and rebuild and get ready for a new season.I still believe in RG3 long term. I would shut him down only to not put him at risk for another injury, not to pave the way for Cousins.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/redskins-49ers-what-does-future-hold-for-redskins-mike-shanahan-after-mnf-loss/2013/11/26/0a1bc794-5652-11e3-835d-e7173847c7cc_story.htmlBy design, the Redskins have a small (by NFL standards) offensive line. Coach Mike Shanahan prefers agile linemen capable of moving quickly in his zone-blocking scheme. The approach helped the Redskins lead the NFL in rushing last season, and they top the league again.
Problem is, the Redskins’ offensive line often gets overpowered in pass blocking. San Francisco outside linebacker Ahmad Brooks and inside linebacker NaVorro Bowman dominated the Redskins’ line.
That sounds eerily similar to the Texans. What a disaster Shanahan and Kubiak have become.... I felt bad for you guys last night because I can completely relate and it sucks to watch a guy like Griffin take a few steps backwards. The guy looked so talented and was exciting last season.http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/redskins-49ers-what-does-future-hold-for-redskins-mike-shanahan-after-mnf-loss/2013/11/26/0a1bc794-5652-11e3-835d-e7173847c7cc_story.htmlBy design, the Redskins have a small (by NFL standards) offensive line. Coach Mike Shanahan prefers agile linemen capable of moving quickly in his zone-blocking scheme. The approach helped the Redskins lead the NFL in rushing last season, and they top the league again.
Problem is, the Redskins offensive line often gets overpowered in pass blocking. San Francisco outside linebacker Ahmad Brooks and inside linebacker NaVorro Bowman dominated the Redskins line.
The right side of the O-line is particularly bad at pass blocking.
Get rid of it quick to who? Can you show me All-22 screenshots of the quick developing routes with open receivers where Griffin didn't throw it?lod01 said:Get rid of the football quick like a real QB and you won't have the problems he has. Run around like a fool and things won't end well. Never has, never will.
This hasn't been brought up nearly enough. This is exhibit A that your starters need at least "some" pre-season activity to get their stuff together.Houston turmOiler said:He got basically no offseason and it is definitely showing.
Roethlisberger did this and won 2 Super Bowls, while playing in a 3rd.lod01 said:Get rid of the football quick like a real QB and you won't have the problems he has. Run around like a fool and things won't end well. Never has, never will.
Great point. Many of their passing plays are designed play action to get big chunks of yardage down the field. Morris should absolutely be the focal point of this offense right now. The best drive they had last night was when he was heavily involved. Considering how bad the defense and Griffin are right now I would be giving this guy 25 to 30 carries a game to try and control clock.Soulfly3 said:The FIRST mistake they made last night, was starting the game with 3 passes in a row (3 and out)
Morris has been underutilized ALL season so far... He should be getting the rock 25-30 times a game right now. Theyre set up to run, but theyre avoiding it.
Control the clock. control the tempo. give Morris the damn ball.
You know things are ####, when Helu is getting important 4th and 1 runs instead of Morris. Absolute stupidity.
Why? Didn't he help them win a game or two during a playoff season last year?My point is that it was a terrible mistake to draft Cousins.
Nobody wants to hear this. What you said is true, but it's not headline-grabbing (what the media wants) or attention-grabbing (what message board posters want).Get rid of it quick to who? Can you show me All-22 screenshots of the quick developing routes with open receivers where Griffin didn't throw it?lod01 said:Get rid of the football quick like a real QB and you won't have the problems he has. Run around like a fool and things won't end well. Never has, never will.
ETA: It drove me nuts when ESPN put up that stat and made a big deal about how so many of RGIII's passes were short screen type passes last night. They were basically ripping them for it and that seemed exactly backwards to me. They were averaging over 7 yards per completion that way, which was much higher than anything else they were doing. Griffin was getting murdered every time he dropped back for a long developing play as the Niners just kept sending the house. Quick passes were the absolute best thing they could have done and they didn't do nearly enough of it. Made no sense that Gruden was ripping the Redskins for running those plays.
The only times their offense has sustained any momentum lately is when they go to what they call the turbo offense. It's a hurry-up offense (at least in terms of Shanahan's usual Galapago-tortoise pace) and it features Morris running a lot with passes interspersed. Its the only thing they do well this year.Great point. Many of their passing plays are designed play action to get big chunks of yardage down the field. Morris should absolutely be the focal point of this offense right now. The best drive they had last night was when he was heavily involved. Considering how bad the defense and Griffin are right now I would be giving this guy 25 to 30 carries a game to try and control clock.Soulfly3 said:The FIRST mistake they made last night, was starting the game with 3 passes in a row (3 and out)
Morris has been underutilized ALL season so far... He should be getting the rock 25-30 times a game right now. Theyre set up to run, but theyre avoiding it.
Control the clock. control the tempo. give Morris the damn ball.
You know things are ####, when Helu is getting important 4th and 1 runs instead of Morris. Absolute stupidity.
Not saying he's 100% wrong, but it's kind of ironic given the way Kaepernick has been playing. If he didn't have the SF defense bailing him out, I think it's reasonable to say they'd be 3-8 too.Following Monday night's win over the Redskins, 49ers LB Ahmad Brooks said Robert Griffin III "shouldn't be playing."
Yes, Griffin is making awful decisions with his arm and not reading coverages correctly. But perhaps the bigger issue is that he's not able to mask those issues because his surgically-repaired knee isn't near 100 percent. The Redskins called just one designed run on Monday. "He's a man, he has the heart of a warrior and is going to go out there and play regardless of the circumstance," Brooks said. "Everybody can see it. Everybody can see it. He shouldn't be playing."
This isn't even about football, it's about business. You have to consider protecting your biggest asset.Bayhawks said:But that's not how the NFL works.ShaHBucks said:I still believe in RG3 long term. I would shut him down only to not put him at risk for another injury, not to pave the way for Cousins.
Should the Falcons sit Ryan since they can't make the playoffs & don't want him to get hurt?
Should TB stop playing Glennon since they aren't going to make the playoffs, and he looks like he might be their QB of the future?
Should Jax.......never mind.
Remember when the Rams were doing better under the chump change backup QB than under the $60 mill man they chose over Griffin?Remember when everyone was laughing at the Rams for not drafting him? Good times
The line is built for running, and Morris is a perfect fit for Shannahan's zone blocking scheme. We've seen it a million times.for the record, Morris has been super effective even with a bad oline and no threat of passing.
He has. The o-line can run block just fine. Pass blocking seems like learning a foreign language to them.for the record, Morris has been super effective even with a bad oline and no threat of passing.
Davis didn't start. He barely even saw the field, and received 0 targets.Remember when the Rams were doing better under the chump change backup QB than under the $60 mill man they chose over Griffin?Remember when everyone was laughing at the Rams for not drafting him? Good times
Then again the Rams have a defense, really that is where it all starts: who in the heck is going to excel under that kind of constant pressure. -- Skins/Griffin fans should be angry about Haslett first and then Shanny for hiring/keeping Haz second, or maybe vice versa.
Here's another thing: RW reports that Fred Davis did not even show up for team meetings this week, why in the heck does this guy get to be active much less start? That's bad coaching right there. What's more Griffin needed an effective TE more than ever last night.
Hold off on believing that report. The Redskin front office and Mike Shanahan have a history of feeding anonymous negative stories to the press about players when things aren't looking good for the coach.Here's another thing: RW reports that Fred Davis did not even show up for team meetings this week, why in the heck does this guy get to be active much less start? That's bad coaching right there. What's more Griffin needed an effective TE more than ever last night.
Ok, then, I meant, "Way to go, Shanny!"Davis didn't start. He barely even saw the field, and received 0 targets.Remember when the Rams were doing better under the chump change backup QB than under the $60 mill man they chose over Griffin?Remember when everyone was laughing at the Rams for not drafting him? Good times
Then again the Rams have a defense, really that is where it all starts: who in the heck is going to excel under that kind of constant pressure. -- Skins/Griffin fans should be angry about Haslett first and then Shanny for hiring/keeping Haz second, or maybe vice versa.
Here's another thing: RW reports that Fred Davis did not even show up for team meetings this week, why in the heck does this guy get to be active much less start? That's bad coaching right there. What's more Griffin needed an effective TE more than ever last night.
Then maybe it was the other way around from where I had it. Thanks for the insights.Hold off on believing that report. The Redskin front office and Mike Shanahan have a history of feeding anonymous negative stories to the press about players when things aren't looking good for the coach.Here's another thing: RW reports that Fred Davis did not even show up for team meetings this week, why in the heck does this guy get to be active much less start? That's bad coaching right there. What's more Griffin needed an effective TE more than ever last night.
What was stupid to me is that:
1. Josh Wilson was in a boot this week, yet they had him play cornerback all game and get beat time after time after time. They didn't replace him. They didn't give him help.
2. Niles Paul was doing a terrible job at TE, and Fred Davis was active. Davis is miles better than Paul, but he didn't play til the last drive.
There's nothing organized or planned about this team any more, just a series of decisions made by different people that result in crap. A run-blocking line called on to pass protect all game. No TE to throw to with a decent TE on the bench. An injured CB on the field getting beat like a dog for 4 quarters, with no change in defensive strategy.
This might be one of the worst comparisons I've ever read.Roethlisberger did this and won 2 Super Bowls, while playing in a 3rd.You may want to check your definition of the word "never."lod01 said:Get rid of the football quick like a real QB and you won't have the problems he has. Run around like a fool and things won't end well. Never has, never will.
This isn't about football? The reason RGIII is their biggest asset is because he PLAYS FOOTBALL!!This isn't even about football, it's about business. You have to consider protecting your biggest asset.Bayhawks said:But that's not how the NFL works.ShaHBucks said:I still believe in RG3 long term. I would shut him down only to not put him at risk for another injury, not to pave the way for Cousins.
Should the Falcons sit Ryan since they can't make the playoffs & don't want him to get hurt?
Should TB stop playing Glennon since they aren't going to make the playoffs, and he looks like he might be their QB of the future?
Should Jax.......never mind.
If it was my team then yes. Ryan doesn't have the same concerns as RG3. Maybe you run the ball 50x's a game here. Atl won't even throw guys like Antone Smith out to see if he offers more than Quizz, so don't get me started on them. It's time to evaluated the roster for next year if you not competing for the playoffs.
Glennon is still being evaluated and is a cheap asset. TB didn't give up the farm for him. A good example of why I think this way would be last season with D. Martin. I thought limiting his touches in the last few weeks would be just as smart. But Schiano is some hard ### from another planet that continued to give him 300 carries a game. There is no benefit to that at all vs evaluating backup and resting Martin.
Personally, I'd give 3rd-4th string players a chance to prove themselves while protecting my building blocks. I don’t care how the NFL works. I’d go straight Greg Popovich. The rest of the season would be like Preseason game to an extent.
I don't know where you think I was going with that, I can't wait until Shanahan and his regime is gone. I was just correcting that portion of your post.Ok, then, I meant, "Way to go, Shanny!"Davis didn't start. He barely even saw the field, and received 0 targets.Remember when the Rams were doing better under the chump change backup QB than under the $60 mill man they chose over Griffin?Remember when everyone was laughing at the Rams for not drafting him? Good times
Then again the Rams have a defense, really that is where it all starts: who in the heck is going to excel under that kind of constant pressure. -- Skins/Griffin fans should be angry about Haslett first and then Shanny for hiring/keeping Haz second, or maybe vice versa.
Here's another thing: RW reports that Fred Davis did not even show up for team meetings this week, why in the heck does this guy get to be active much less start? That's bad coaching right there. What's more Griffin needed an effective TE more than ever last night.
Right, I know, I agree - just making fun of myself for my own lack of info, thanks for the response and insight.I don't know where you think I was going with that, I can't wait until Shanahan and his regime is gone. I was just correcting that portion of your post.Ok, then, I meant, "Way to go, Shanny!"Davis didn't start. He barely even saw the field, and received 0 targets.Remember when the Rams were doing better under the chump change backup QB than under the $60 mill man they chose over Griffin?Remember when everyone was laughing at the Rams for not drafting him? Good times
Then again the Rams have a defense, really that is where it all starts: who in the heck is going to excel under that kind of constant pressure. -- Skins/Griffin fans should be angry about Haslett first and then Shanny for hiring/keeping Haz second, or maybe vice versa.
Here's another thing: RW reports that Fred Davis did not even show up for team meetings this week, why in the heck does this guy get to be active much less start? That's bad coaching right there. What's more Griffin needed an effective TE more than ever last night.
What comparison? I didn't compare Ben and RGIII. I merely responded to your mis-guided post that if you:This might be one of the worst comparisons I've ever read.Roethlisberger did this and won 2 Super Bowls, while playing in a 3rd.You may want to check your definition of the word "never."lod01 said:Get rid of the football quick like a real QB and you won't have the problems he has. Run around like a fool and things won't end well. Never has, never will.
That is exactly what Roethlisberger did before Arians left: he would hold onto the ball forever, pump fake and pump fake, scramble around, make big plays, take big hits (he's been sacked 30+ times every season save his 2nd & only played 16 games once), & he went to 3 SuperBowls, winning two.lod01 said:Get rid of the football quick like a real QB and you won't have the problems he has. Run around like a fool and things won't end well. Never has, never will.
I don't think you understood me. I wouldn't sit RG3 solely on football. With less than 1% chance of making the playoffs my main concern is a healthy RG3 week 1 of 2014. You'd majestically start hearing about swelling he experienced in his knee. He will have to get better in the many other ways I pay people millions for. Trust me, everything you say sound good, but it's apart of the reason coaches get fired every 2-3 years by drinking the same old kool-aid. You are not telling me anything that I haven't heard before or didn't expect as a rebuttal. And I'm sure I'd know if I own the redskins or not. You would too after I changed the name to the flying pigs or something.This isn't about football? The reason RGIII is their biggest asset is because he PLAYS FOOTBALL!!It's not your team, though, and if you did own the Redskins, you wouldn't think the way you are posting. Besides you are contradicting yourself. You say Glennon is still being evaluated, but so is RGIII. He needs to show that he can read defenses better, progress through his reads better, etc.This isn't even about football, it's about business. You have to consider protecting your biggest asset.If it was my team then yes. Ryan doesn't have the same concerns as RG3. Maybe you run the ball 50x's a game here. Atl won't even throw guys like Antone Smith out to see if he offers more than Quizz, so don't get me started on them. It's time to evaluated the roster for next year if you not competing for the playoffs.Bayhawks said:But that's not how the NFL works. Should the Falcons sit Ryan since they can't make the playoffs & don't want him to get hurt?ShaHBucks said:I still believe in RG3 long term. I would shut him down only to not put him at risk for another injury, not to pave the way for Cousins.
Should TB stop playing Glennon since they aren't going to make the playoffs, and he looks like he might be their QB of the future?
Should Jax.......never mind.
Glennon is still being evaluated and is a cheap asset. TB didn't give up the farm for him. A good example of why I think this way would be last season with D. Martin. I thought limiting his touches in the last few weeks would be just as smart. But Schiano is some hard ### from another planet that continued to give him 300 carries a game. There is no benefit to that at all vs evaluating backup and resting Martin.
Personally, I'd give 3rd-4th string players a chance to prove themselves while protecting my building blocks. I dont care how the NFL works. Id go straight Greg Popovich. The rest of the season would be like Preseason game to an extent.
As for your Greg Popovich comment, that's basketball, not football. The NBA has an 82-game season, so there are way more opportunities to "see what other players have." Similar to MLB and the NHL, those are long seasons where you can use stretches of time when you are out of contention, or have locked in a playoff berth/seed, and can give your backups a shot. The NFL doesn't have that. They have 16 regular season games, and then 4 pre-season games that do not simulate a regular season game. That is why Martin was getting carries last year, because it was in the team's best interests to allow him to get that work in, AND to demonstrate to their fans that they haven't "thrown in the towel." That is why RGIII is going to continue to play, as long as he is healthy, despite what you, bloggers, or talking heads say on TV.
I tried to re-read this post to make sure it doesn't seem like I'm attacking you. I'm not, and if it gives that impression, I'm sorry. It just seems like the reporters, bloggers, and "experts" should know that NFL teams don't give back-ups a shot when they have a young QB who needs the work. It sends the wrong message to the team, to the fans, and to the players involved (starter and backups).