Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
IMO a smart team will use Fields correctly, build a competent OL, and will win plenty of games with him. He’s a legitimate talent. And he has legitimate arm talent as well.
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QB Justin Fields, PIT (4 Viewers)
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dmac37
Footballguy
He has rare tools to work with as an NFL QB, combo of unreal rushing with a great arm, pair him with a competent OC and to the moon!
BassNBrew
Footballguy
How many OCs has he sent to a black hole?
When you're getting your 5th divorce you might be the problem and not the spouses.
dmac37
Footballguy
TBD, has there ever been a competent OC/Head Coach/Plan or O line since he has been in Chicago?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
So far it’s been a steady stream of tomato cans. I don’t put it on Fields. The talent is there.
It was on display today. The OL was not.
Think you can go back a lot longer than the Fields era for that question
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Still looks a little out of rhythm though doesn't it? His first instinct is to run then he kind of slows down. If he can be broken of that there may be something there. He needs to play on time. The great ones use their ability to run when there's no other option.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
LOL. Bill Lazor and Luke Getsy. Lazor was unfortunate enough to hitch his wagon to Matt Nagy. Ironically, during the 4 (?) game stretch that Nagy gave up play calling duties, the offense significantly improved. Getsy had the luxury of Aaron Rodgers during his GB tenure. It's definitely not a murderers row of offensive genius, that's for sure.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Exactly.
Could you imagine if Fields had someone like Shane Steichen?
Grahamburn
Footballguy
More or less time spent on IR you think?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Why would the coach have anything to do with that?
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I feel like there are a lot of posters suggesting the OC or HC is the problem for Fields and they should design more running plays for him. That’s great and all, but those QBs get hurt. Richardson being Steichen’s latest example.
Fields needs to learn how to win from the pocket, play in rhythm and on time with his receivers. Until he does that he will not be successful as an NFL QB.
FairWarning
Footballguy
I agree, he’s had a lot of injuries already. There are two factors in the decision to re-up his deal - will he be good enough, and can he stay healthy?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Im one of the posters saying the OC is the problem.
And I’m not at all saying they should design more runs for him.
I’m saying a good team can build a better pass protecting OL so he doesn’t get creamed in .3 seconds every time he drops back to throw.
I would go so far as to advocate that Fields should run less - the sad reality is that he’s running out of survival rather than lack of arm talent.
The link I posted above shows he’s got arm talent.
But when they needed 20+ yards, no one was open & that line wasn’t going to hold another tick. So he took off running. It’s a skill set that he should use, absolutely.
his arm is fine though. fields could be unlocked to be an NFL superstar. I have zero doubt.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
And both of those questions are answered by the same thing: the quality of their OL & willingness to protect him.
If they spend a 1st on a QB & don’t remarkably upgrade that OL, they’re just going to ruin another talented QB. The big picture matters.
FairWarning
Footballguy
Yesterday was the first time they had a healthy OL all season, and the C goes down.
If they drafted Harrison and the best OL available, that’s not a bad thing.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Fantasy Pros actually has him at one of the higher times per throw in the league at 2.7 seconds. The average time between snap and throw/pressure.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
I don't want more designed runs. Juuuuust a handful a game so defensive coordinators have to practice it. Maybe 3 a game. I'd simplify the passing offense. Give him a two read then run scheme. I'd want a majority of his rushing yards on his two read and run scrambles. Kid has a big arm. I'd use it. Not all QBs need to be able to check down to the 6th option on the passing routes. 2. Run.
Stat Correction
Footballguy
Okay, Mr. Fields.....time to shut the naysayers up in primetime Monday Night Football.
I have 3 games hinging on your performance.
Show out.
I have 3 games hinging on your performance.
Show out.
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Same. Just 2 matchups for me - but nonetheless, need a nice showing.
Thankfully it’s in the dome for this frigid November night in the Midwest
steelcityman
Footballguy
Can we just get a high scoring game? IDC who wins, just put some pts up, make it fun to watch.
Dizzy
Footballguy
Ain't happening tonight, wow.
Stat Correction
Footballguy
Nevermind.....sigh
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
this Offense is….dumb
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Every time I bother starting this guy, he ishes his britches.
Lesson is finally learned. Kyler getting cemented in the lineup the rest of the way for that team. "Youre welcome for the 50 point output next week." in advance, Fields owners.
Lesson is finally learned. Kyler getting cemented in the lineup the rest of the way for that team. "Youre welcome for the 50 point output next week." in advance, Fields owners.
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Sunday Gravy
Footballguy
Can't wait to hear these dopey Bears media guys say we still need to evaluate Fields more. It's been 3 years. He stinks. He's fun and athletic but he's not a winning qb. Enough.
Stat Correction
Footballguy
I've been a believer and defended him, but after watching this game, I am officially done.
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fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Oof
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
They won the game, but he just doesn't look like the guy. They got four turnovers on defense and needed a late FG to win 12-10. His fumble in the red zone when it was 9-3 in the 4th quarter was a horrible mistake. Great defensive play, yes, but an NFL QB has to know the game situation and protect the ball better rather than being reckless under the guise of "just trying to make a play." I just don't think he gets it.
I think this kinda goes without saying. if the offense cant put up points and you have a shot at the would be best prospect in the NFL draft why would you stick with mediocrity. In my mind if you have the #1 pick there really isnt a decision to make. Moving on from Fields is the only decision. If they have a top 5 pick it gets more interesting because they have to trade assets away to get a top 1 or top 2 pick.
-jb-
Footballguy
Tough to say definitively based on camera angles, and perhaps it was Fields unwillingly to fire, but the play calling was inexplicable. Only took a shot downfield when the game was on the line. You’ve got a great WR and a QB with a big arm. Pull the trigger on something long. Again, that could have been Fields but it sure looked like their answer to a heavy blitzing team was to throw it short and wide. KOC had a few plays that the Vikings ran that made sense for a mobile QB. Do similar. 3rd and 15 and you run TE screen a bajillion times. Utter lack of creativity. How many designed runs? Not enough.
Fields may not be the guy but Caleb won’t be either if they don’t improve the scheme.
Fields may not be the guy but Caleb won’t be either if they don’t improve the scheme.
Fields is on bye next week. Then you’ll need to start him W14 when Kyler is on bye.
FairWarning
Footballguy
You can’t keep letting the rest of your team go while searching for a qb.
Max Power
Footballguy
This is a fair take and why its so frustrating to figure out who JF is. The play calling is horrible and doesn't play to his strengths. I think JF plays how Getsy wants most of the time, but the frustration and Hero ball come into play. It's just a bad situation right now and I feel its best for JF to get a fresh start with a play caller who is willing to cater to his strengths. JF will never win a championship as a pocket passer.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Agreed. If they are going to stick with Fields next year AND they do get the 1st pick (thanks to Carolina), the smart thing would be to draft Marvin Harrison Jr and hire a head coach who is a QB/offensive guru. If Fields then cannot thrive in 2024 under those circumstances, then at least you can say you did as much as you could to help him on the way out. While I don't think he's the guy, he has shown enough at times to not give up on him quite yet.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
A good manager doesn't ask someone to do something when they know they aren't capable of doing it.
He's in a tough spot. Glimpses and only x amount of time and talent to see what they have but he makes plenty of errors and is in year 3. Hard to pass up a legit #1 if that's what Caleb is especially as he'll need to be paid after next year. 4 years of rookie contract Caleb is pretty hard to pass up.
Dizzy
Footballguy
What if CHI just stinks at QB development... then it doesn't really matter what they do.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
You'd think that QB development is a coaching issue and not a front office issue. But CHI's track record with QBs has stunk throughout modern NFL history, so...
